Virus

Идиот. И да јесте изван болница, лекаре морају посебно да надзиру да нису заражени, и да примене терапију на време.
Овако је порука "криви сами".

То и јесте порука, још одавно.

”Свака породица је кризни штаб” је хтела да примени тај принцип и на оболеле од рака. Као, ко не дође на заказани контролни преглед сноси 50% цене лечења.

ficfiric wrote:

Srbiju proteklih nedelja potresaju gotovo svakodnevne vesti o smrti zdravstvenih radnika, trenutno ih je više od 70. U javnosti se sve češće čuju zahtevi da se te smrti ispitaju i da se utvrdi koji je uzrok - zašto gubimo toliko lekara? Član Kriznog štaba, epidemiolog Predrag Kon, kaže da je to veoma ozbiljno pitanje kojem se treba temeljno posvetiti. "Mi imamo neka saznanja, u okviru nekih klinika, da je do zaražavanja dolazilo uglavnom izvan bolnica. To bi trebalo oni koji rukovode tim kovid bolnicama da vrlo jasno kažu. Imamo i jednu uočenu situaciju, da je često dolazilo do zaražavanja na mestima gde se ispijala kafa i tih kratkih pauza", to je jedno od obrazloženja i odgovora na pitanje kako su se zaražavali lekari u Srbiji, koje smo u razgovoru za Nova.rs čuli upravo od doktora Kona.

https://nova.rs/vesti/drustvo/kon-lekari-se-zarazavali-na-puzama-za-kafu/

Skot

imamo jednu uocenu situaciju da je skotina

Hajdi
@mali_gad
Ako izuzmemo užasno senzacionalisticki naslov Nove, ko je pročitao tekst može da vidi da ništa pogrešno nije rekao i ako smem da kažem (a već vidim da cu da zažalim), slažem se sa njim.

Ja ih nažalost lično znam troje, od toga su dvoje dugogodisnji penzioneri, a treći je radio, ali se nije zarazio na radnom mestu nego u privatnoj ordinaciji iako je u to vreme preporuka bila da lekari ne rade privatno. Ovaj treći je skoro dobio orden.


Hajdi
@mali_gad
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Sto se tice razloga umiranja, faktori su razni i treba se sve to ispitati kao što je i rekao u tekstu. Prvo da se vidi koliko ih je u penziji, sa drugim bolestima, prosek godina, izloženost, pa da se izračuna neka stopa, a ne ovi apsolutni brojevi koji ne znače bas nista.


Pa zbog toga i kazem, zato što znam i zato što sam prvih 6 meseci ove epidemije potrošila na objasnjavanje kolegama zašto moraju da nose maske i kad nisu sa pacijentima.

Hajdi
@mali_gad
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Pa i da je izgovorio, meni su se skoro svi zdravstveni radnici u drugom talasu zarazili na pauzama za kafu jer nisu nosili maske iako sam im sto puta rekla da prave pauze na smenu, a ne svi zajedno.

hm pretekao si me. ti ljudi su se sigurno zarazili na radnom mestu ali ja ne znam lekara koji ce to priznati. kaze mi ujna, lekar, da su joj tri drugarice-koleginice u bolnici s koronom. sve tri su anesteziolozi i sve tri tvrde da mora da su se zarazile u prodavnici. ja sam u fazonu ono okam nije bio lekar ocigledno a ostrica mu nije skalpel.

jednostavno im profesionalni ponos ne dozvoljava da priznaju da su im protokoli izbuseni.

ma na ovom mom primeru: nema sanse da se anesteziolog x 3 zarazio u prodavnici.

ali mislim da ce lekari da kenjaju oko toga posto bi morali da priznaju da su im protokoli felericni

neka ti kažu koja je to prodavnica, da zaobilazimo

pa to

uz sve mitove o lekarima, znanju pozrtvovanju i ostalim kurcima, vecina ovdasnjih koje sam upoznao se tacno  uklapa u stereotip da njih 5 udje u kafe kuhinju skine masku zapali cigar krene da prica masne viceve i traceve i zarazi se. izvinte.

i to ali takodje da ne postuju protokole tokom rada. s tim sto to nije njihov problem vec konov.

i kafe kuhinja je Konov problem, i dvorište bolnice, i hodnik. zna se koji je posao epidemioga.

U Kini 100+ novozaraženih u 2 dana i opsa, zatvaranje višemilionskog grada na 7 dana i masovno testiranje.

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HONG KONG—China is battling its biggest coronavirus outbreak in months, imposing lockdowns on hard-hit areas, quarantining more than 20 million people and urging citizens to forgo unnecessary travel as the Lunar New Year holiday approaches in February.

The tightening, which comes during northern China’s coldest winter in a generation, underscores official skittishness nearly a year after authorities shut down the city of Wuhan to contain the initial outbreak.

On Tuesday, China’s National Health Commission reported 42 new cases of locally transmitted symptomatic infection, a day after recording 85 such cases—its highest daily count in six months.

The bulk of the recent cases have been detected in the northern province of Hebei, which surrounds China’s capital city of Beijing.

Local authorities in the city of Langfang on Tuesday placed its five million residents in home quarantine for seven days while rolling out citywide testing. Authorities had imposed similar measures on the provincial capital of Shijiazhuang last week, barring people and vehicles from leaving the city and halting public transportation within the city.

Hebei’s provincial government has also postponed an annual policy-setting meeting that typically gathers hundreds of top officials and political advisers, which precedes China’s national legislative conclave in March.

Kirko Skaddeng wrote:i kafe kuhinja je Konov problem, i dvorište bolnice, i hodnik. zna se koji je posao epidemioga.

+1

a i te price da vidimo koliko je tu starih lekara sa ozbiljnim bolestima... lepo je onaj splitski lekar rekao da su tamo stavili iskljucivo one ispod 50 da rade u kovid klinikama. s razlogom.

I u Hrvatskoj i Sloveniji piju kafe i pricaju masne viceve uz cigaru pa ih nije umrlo preko 70

Pa to

To nam u stvari govori da ko zna koliko je ljudi umrlo, jedino sto se za lekare prosto sazna.

buffalo bill wrote:U Kini 100+ novozaraženih u 2 dana i opsa, zatvaranje višemilionskog grada na 7 dana i masovno testiranje.

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Lako je njima, oni nemaju ekonomiju

Since the start of the pandemic, the figure that many epidemiologists have offered has been 60 to 70 percent. That range is still cited by the World Health Organization and is often repeated during discussions of the future course of the disease.
Although it is impossible to know with certainty what the limit will be until we reach it and transmission stops, having a good estimate is important: It gives Americans a sense of when we can hope to breathe freely again.
Recently, a figure to whom millions of Americans look for guidance — Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, an adviser to both the Trump administration and the incoming Biden administration — has begun incrementally raising his herd-immunity estimate.
In the pandemic’s early days, Dr. Fauci tended to cite the same 60 to 70 percent estimate that most experts did. About a month ago, he began saying “70, 75 percent” in television interviews. And last week, in an interview with CNBC News, he said “75, 80, 85 percent” and “75 to 80-plus percent.”
In a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.
Hard as it may be to hear, he said, he believes that it may take close to 90 percent immunity to bring the virus to a halt — almost as much as is needed to stop a measles outbreak.
Asked about Dr. Fauci’s conclusions, prominent epidemiologists said that he might be proven right. The early range of 60 to 70 percent was almost undoubtedly too low, they said, and the virus is becoming more transmissible, so it will take greater herd immunity to stop it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html
 

Prof. Gabi Barbash, former director-general of the Health Ministry [of Israel], tells Channel 12 News that health experts around the world no longer believe that 60%-70% immunity in the population will be enough to achieve herd immunity and end the pandemic.
Due to the new variants of the coronavirus that are more contagious than the previous forms, it is now believed that immunity of some 90% will be needed to effectively vanquish the disease.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/health-expert-says-60-70-population-immunity-no-longer-enough-to-end-pandemic/
 

With the discovery of new, more contagious strains of the Covid-19 virus in Britain and South Africa, it may now be important for more Singaporeans to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, said a health expert here.
Professor Teo Yik Ying, dean of the Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health at the National University of Singapore, said yesterday: "This is the only way we can continue to ensure that the community as a whole is protected."
This means that instead of aiming to get 80 per cent of the population here vaccinated against Covid-19, "we may now be looking at 90 per cent, or even higher", Prof Teo said in a video interview with The Straits Times on its daily online talk show, The Big Story.
The Health Ministry's chief health scientist, Professor Tan Chorh Chuan, previously told The Straits Times that at least 80 per cent of the population would have to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity against Covid-19.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-strains-more-people-may-need-to-be-vaccinated