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    zvezda je zivot

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    Post by zvezda je zivot Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:59 am

    Sovranije Čonjagić wrote:
    Летећи Полип wrote:


    Čemu bi, po tebi, bilo realno progresivcima da se nadaju u narednih četiri godine?

    Samo da je levo krilo partije koristilo drugačiju terminologiju...
     
    znam da se zezas ali treba reci da bi levo krilo imalo snazniju poziciju da nisu marginalizovali narodsko krilo pokreta oliceno u liderima kao sto su tulsi gabard, rik sancez, dzo rogan, i red scare podkast.

    boomeru, nisam wonk, al kolko sam cuo studentski dug moze bajden da oprosti cim stupi na funkciju, ne treba mu nikakva podrska


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:36 am

    pa ne govorim o podrsci vec o "levim skretanjima".

    in other news desna skretanja ili gargov "liberalni intervencionizam"


    Who Is Michèle Flournoy, Biden’s Rumored Pick for Pentagon Chief?

    Posted on November 10, 2020  by  Yves Smith

    Yves here. Hoo boy The presumed Biden choice of Michèle Flournoy for the Pentagon looks as dismal as feared. WSWS says it out loud: Biden, Democrats prepare right-wing administration.
    By Thomas Neuburger. Originally published at DownWithTyranny!
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    Michèle Flournoy and Joe Biden (source)
    Despite all the focus on domestic and economic matters in the current election, foreign policy, never really discussed, should bear at least equal scrutiny.
    Will Biden’s “defense policy” (quotes because America’s defense policy is really a war policy) turn more hawkish than Obama’s, thus reflecting the Hillary wing of that cabinet? Or will Biden continue the “no stupid wars” admonition that kept Obama from initiating bloodbaths in Syria and Iran?
    Time will tell, of course, but one of the chief indicators will be his pick for Secretary of Defense, the person who will reflect, influence and implement his foreign policy. On that pick, there’s almost near consensus — Michèle Flournoy. (See here, here, here and here.)
    So who is Michèle Flournoy?
    Medea Benjamin and Nicolas Davies, admittedly no fans of America’s forever war, have written a nice run-down of her history and policy positions, and it’s not a pretty one — unless you’re a fan of America’s forever war, in which case you’ll be find it wonderful to behold.
    Some samples from their article:
    As assistant secretary of defense for strategy under President Bill Clinton, Flournoy was the principal author of the May 1997 Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR), which laid the ideological foundation for the endless wars that followed. Under “Defense Strategy,” the QDR effectively announced that the United States would no longer be bound by the UN charter’s prohibition against the threat or use of military force. It declared that, “when the interests at stake are vital, …we should do whatever it takes to defend them, including, when necessary, the unilateral use of military power.”
    The QDR defined U.S. vital interests to include “preventing the emergence of a hostile regional coalition” anywhere on Earth and “ensuring uninhibited access to key markets, energy supplies and strategic resources.”
    In June 2002, as Bush and his gang threatened aggression against Iraq, Flournoy told The Washington Post that the United States would “need to strike preemptively before a crisis erupts to destroy an adversary’s weapons stockpile” before it “could erect defenses to protect those weapons, or simply disperse them.” When Bush unveiled his official “doctrine of preemption” a few months later, Senator Edward Kennedy wisely condemned it as “unilateralism run amok” and “a call for 21st century American imperialism that no other country can or should accept.
    Flournoy’s career has been marked by the unethical spinning of revolving doors between the Pentagon, consulting firms helping businesses procure Pentagon contracts, and military-industrial think tanks like the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), which she co-founded in 2007.
    In 2009, she joined the Obama administration as under secretary of defense for policy, where she helped engineer political and humanitarian disasters in Libya and Syria and a new escalation of the endless war in Afghanistan before resigning in 2012.
     • As Obama’s under secretary of defense for policy, she was a hawkish voice for escalation in Afghanistan and war on Libya. She resigned in February 2012, leaving others to clean up the mess. In February 2013, when Obama brought in Chuck Hagel as a relatively dovish reformer to replace Leon Panetta as defense secretary, right-wing figures opposed to his planned reforms, including Paul Wolfowitz and William Kristol, backed Flournoy as a hawkish alternative.
    From 2013-2016, she joined Boston Consulting, trading on her Pentagon connections to boost the firm’s military contracts from $1.6 million in 2013 to $32 million in 2016.
     • In 2016, Flournoy was tapped as Hillary Clinton’s choice for secretary of defense, and she co-authored a CNAS report titled “Expanding American Power” with a team of hawks that included former Dick Cheney aide Eric Edelman, PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan and Bush’s National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. 
    The report was seen as a view of how Clinton’s foreign policy would differ from Obama’s, with calls for higher military spending, arms shipments to Ukraine, renewed military threats against Iran, more aggressive military action in Syria and Iraq, and further increases to domestic oil and gas production — all of which Trump has adopted.
    In 2017, Flournoy and President Barack Obama’s Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken founded their own corporate consulting business, WestExec Advisors, where Flournoy continued to cash in on her contacts by helping companies successfully navigate the complex bureaucracy of winning enormous Pentagon contracts.
    (Remember that name, Tony Blinken. He’ll turn up again too.)
    There’s more in the article, but this should be enough. Michèle Flournoy, as Secretary of Defense, will be the hawk from hell and put a gleam in every war contractor’s eye.
    I keep warning that all this killing will come back to us — will blast our malls and movie palaces, our sports arenas and apartment complexes — but warnings like these go well unlistened-to, drowned by the voices of hubris and spread of empire that infuse what passes for minds in the DC world.
    I suspect (with no evidence yet) that on the domestic and economic front, the Biden administration will be a centrist-flavored disaster. But if Michèle Flournoy — or anyone like her — is picked for Secretary of Defense, his foreign policy will be even worse, a banquet of blood and a grave risk to us all.


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    Post by Јанош Винету Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:18 pm

    zvezda je zivot wrote:
    Sovranije Čonjagić wrote:

    Samo da je levo krilo partije koristilo drugačiju terminologiju...
     
    znam da se zezas ali treba reci da bi levo krilo imalo snazniju poziciju da nisu marginalizovali narodsko krilo pokreta oliceno u liderima kao sto su tulsi gabard, rik sancez, dzo rogan, i red scare podkast.

    boomeru, nisam wonk, al kolko sam cuo studentski dug moze bajden da oprosti cim stupi na funkciju, ne treba mu nikakva podrska
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    Post by zvezda je zivot Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:27 pm

    rik je bio suvise popularan na reditu  opasan po establisment jer se nije dao kontrolisati pa je pristojnity levica u prvi plan gurnula barnija sandersa


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    Post by Margit Savović Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:23 pm

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/goodbye-jared-kushner.html

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    Post by kondo Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:37 pm

    zvezda je zivot wrote:
    kako bilo jos jednom se pokazalo da su amerikanci majstori da naprave spektakl. steta sto mi u evropi nemamo neku politiku.


    pupu daleko bilo, samo nam jos to fali


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    Post by Gargamel Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:58 pm

    boomer crook wrote:in other news desna skretanja ili gargov "liberalni intervencionizam internacionalizam"

    Medea Benjamin and Nicolas Davies, admittedly no fans of America’s forever war, have written a nice run-down of her history and policy positions, and it’s not a pretty one — unless you’re a fan of America’s forever war, in which case you’ll be find it wonderful to behold.
    mahniti tripuju da bi Bajden bio agresivniji od Obame? inšala će tako i biti.

    zabrinuo bih se da ovi hajvani imaju šta pozitivno da kažu o Bajdenu.
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    Post by Gargamel Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:47 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:Čemu bi, po tebi, bilo realno progresivcima da se nadaju u narednih četiri godine?
    povećani minimalac, DACA, policijska reforma, oproštaj studentskog duga, ojačani ACA, guranje subvencija za zelene tehnologije. sa manjkom (u najboljem slučaju 50-50) u Senatu, to bi bilo to.

    nadam se nekakvom kompromisu sa republikancima kojim bi Bajden odhebao progresivce po pitanju nuklearnih elektrana.
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:59 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    boomer crook wrote:in other news desna skretanja ili gargov "liberalni intervencionizam internacionalizam"

    Medea Benjamin and Nicolas Davies, admittedly no fans of America’s forever war, have written a nice run-down of her history and policy positions, and it’s not a pretty one — unless you’re a fan of America’s forever war, in which case you’ll be find it wonderful to behold.
    mahniti tripuju da bi Bajden bio agresivniji od Obame? inšala će tako i biti.

    zabrinuo bih se da ovi hajvani imaju šta pozitivno da kažu o Bajdenu.

    +1

    Sad kad znamo da su Avganistanci dočekali dronove kao oslobodioce, preds. Bajden ima ozbiljan mandat da im dodatno popravi kvalitet života; i njima i svakome kome bi to moglo biti potrebno.
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    Post by Janko Suvar Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:53 am

    boomer crook wrote:pa ovi izbori su dobar pokazatelj: povecanje minimalca, legalizacija lakih droga, neki oblik otpisa studentskog duga i jacanje obamacare-a. to su sustinski popularne mere i to ce nastaviti da prolazi.

    Gargamel wrote:
    Летећи Полип wrote:Čemu bi, po tebi, bilo realno progresivcima da se nadaju u narednih četiri godine?
    povećani minimalac, DACA, policijska reforma, oproštaj studentskog duga, ojačani ACA, guranje subvencija za zelene tehnologije. sa manjkom (u najboljem slučaju 50-50) u Senatu, to bi bilo to.

    nadam se nekakvom kompromisu sa republikancima kojim bi Bajden odhebao progresivce po pitanju nuklearnih elektrana.
    unsurprisingly Biden's transition team includes executives from Lyft, Airbnb, Amazon, Capital One, Booz Allen, Uber, Visa, JPMorgan
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    Post by Janko Suvar Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:57 am

    boomer crook wrote:
    in other news desna skretanja ili gargov "liberalni intervencionizam"


    Former national security adviser Susan Rice argued that she is qualified to hold a variety of Cabinet-level positions in Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s potential administration, including secretary of State and secretary of Defense.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:44 am

    Sovranije Čonjagić wrote:
    Gargamel wrote:
    mahniti tripuju da bi Bajden bio agresivniji od Obame? inšala će tako i biti.

    zabrinuo bih se da ovi hajvani imaju šta pozitivno da kažu o Bajdenu.

    +1

    Sad kad znamo da su Avganistanci dočekali dronove kao oslobodioce, preds. Bajden ima ozbiljan mandat da im dodatno popravi kvalitet života; i njima i svakome kome bi to moglo biti potrebno.
    Sreca je da je predsednik Vucic u dobrim licnim odnosima sa predsednikom Bajdenom, pa popravka kvaliteta zivota u Srbiji nece biti na dnevnom redu bilateralnih razgovora dvojice sefova prijateljskih drzava. Nadamo se da ce se taj prisni odnos jos vise ucvrstiti tokom cetvorogodisnjeg mandata predsednika Bajdena, a mozda - zasto to ne reci - i svih osam godina, ako obojicu predsednika posluzi zdravlje i naklonost biraca na izborima.



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    Post by Gargamel Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:58 pm

    Janko Suvar wrote:unsurprisingly Biden's transition team includes executives from Lyft, Airbnb, Amazon, Capital One, Booz Allen, Uber, Visa, JPMorgan[/size]
    Prezidensi koji vraća normalsi - Page 6 3363120308 a ja se nadao će tu biti autentičnih ljudi iz naroda: par aktivista, dva stolara, barem jedan vodoinstalater, predsednikov zet, šurnaja, snaja...


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    Post by disident Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:07 pm

    Istina, sta ocekujete od vladajuce klase u kapitalizmu


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    Post by Guest Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:10 pm

    Gargamel se sigurno šali za snaju i šurnjaju, ali nadam se da će Hanter imati važnu ulogu. Dokazao se nebrojeno puta i svakako će zaseniti i postideti porod narandžaste cheeto svinje.
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    Post by Janko Suvar Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:13 pm

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    Post by Gargamel Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:21 pm

    Sovranije Čonjagić wrote:Gargamel se sigurno šali za snaju i šurnjaju, ali nadam se da će Hanter imati važnu ulogu.
    sve nekakvi specijalisti i tehnokrate. nema radnika, seljaka, i poštene inteligencije. a i zeta će šutnuti. Prezidensi koji vraća normalsi - Page 6 4135669698

    President-elect Biden announces coronavirus task force made up of physicians and health experts
    Biden’s task force will have three co-chairs: Vivek H. Murthy, surgeon general during the Obama administration; David Kessler, Food and Drug Administration commissioner under Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton; and Marcella Nunez-Smith, associate dean for health equity research at the Yale School of Medicine. Murthy and Kessler have briefed Biden for months on the pandemic.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:26 pm

    jel ima neko od vas saljivdzija da zna koje clanove kabineta treba Senat da odobri?


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Gargamel Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:36 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:jel ima neko od vas saljivdzija da zna koje clanove kabineta treba Senat da odobri?
    sve. zbog problema sa Senatom, svinja je postavljao vd-ove.

    fwiw: videh par komentara da Bajden razmišlja o sličnom ako bude problema u Senatu.
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:26 am

    Eto, mi o kvalifikacijama Bajdenove porodice a ono Kamalina porodica prva ulazi u administraciju Prezidensi koji vraća normalsi - Page 6 1233199462



    Da predupredimo zlobne komentare i optužbe za nepotizam, za razliku od narandžaste cheeto familije čovek je očigledno visoko kvalifikovan

    “He represents large domestic and international corporations and some of today's highest profile individuals and influencers in complex business, real estate and intellectual property litigation disputes,” his firm profile reads.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:57 am

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    Probudi nas kad nam doneseš krtinu.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:12 am

    Ma jel ovo Romni?


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