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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:02 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:Ma ovi ljudi su većinom blente potpuno nesvesne toga šta su uradile. Potpuno se slažem da su američki zakoni po ovim pitanjima prestrogi (mnogi iz OWS su ozbiljno najebali zbog mnogo manje ozbiljnih stvari nego što je storming the fucking Capitol), kao što mislim da su rules of engagement koji su doveli do ubistva one nesrećnice varvarski. Ježim se od poziva na law and order i sablažnjavanja nad ljudima koji iznose predmete iz zgrade kongresa - jer je u njima esencija moronskog republikanizma, a i zato što u njima jasno prepoznajem iste takve naprednjačke jeremijade zbog "paljenja skupštine" i "iznošenja fotelja". Ako mene pitaš, jebo demokratiju u kojoj se bar na svakih 10-20 godina ne upadne u skupštinu. Ovo je samo simbolička potvrda onoga što je već odavno postalo jasno - da su postojeće američke institucije šuplje i da nisu nikakve "svetilje" demokrartije, nego naprosto kulise za vladavinu elita.

    All that said, krivica za ovo što se desilo i što će se tek desiti je apsolutno na republikanskoj žgadiji - ne, ne samo na Trampu, nego na narativu koji već godinama huška ove ljude da urade ovo što su uradili utvrđujući ih u uverenju da za patriote nema "mejsa", nema kazne, nema zatvora. Ovo drndarenje o "revoluciji" nije Tramp - to je direktan izvod iz Tea Party luđenja. I evo nas gde smo - nikome ko ih je huškao na ovo neće dlaka s glave faliti, Tramp istina uskoro više neće biti predsednik, ali svi ostali će ostati kongresmeni i senatori, a ova nesrećnica i njoj slični će po svemu sudeći zaglaviti ćorku. Možda izgleda glupo što se ova nesrećnica u istom dahu čudi što su je mejsovali i priznaje da je pokušala da izvede "revoluciju", ali nije isključeno da veruje u neki narativ koji u potpunosti "pegla" ove prividne kontradikcije - npr da će po Q-ovom naređenju policija da poskida šlemove i pridruži im se u revoluciji i istrazi pedofila.

    Ma naravno. Samo ne dobacujem do empatije za pojedincima, ali se potpuno slažem sa principom. Upadanje u skupštine je za mene legitimno (gotovo) uvek i svuda.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:07 pm

    CNN reports that Assistant House Speaker Katherine Clark says the House of Representatives will have an impeachment vote the middle of next week if President Trump is not removed by VP Pence and the Cabinet.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:31 pm

    Taman htedoh da ga pohvalim za sirov, teksaški nastup gore, a on se opet dole pristojnity prosro. Pih.


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    Post by Mr.Pink Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:03 pm

    kako ce ih karaju zuti sad

    sad ce rulja da izadje na los glas


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    Post by Dambo Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:19 pm

    Nadam se da ne grešim kada mislim da je ovaj forum jedno od retkih mesta koje ima kapacitet da prepozna da je mnogo gori problem od Trampa i lika sa rogovima ono što su nam ovih dana pokazali Olbrajti, Zukerbergi i Koka Kole. 

    Osetili su udarce i reptilijanska zmija (znam da idiotski oksimoron ali boli me kurac) je ustala, raširila košuljicu i zasiktala.
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    Post by staret Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:24 pm

    Немају демократе 2//3 у Сенату за смену Трампа чак и да некако убрзано све одраде. То је више фарса за своје бирачко тело.
    Али Републиканци имају проблем шта даље, да ли ће се странка поцепати ако Трамп крене сам. Мислим да би део Републиканаца подржао демократе ако би се знало да Трамп прави своју нову странку. Мислим да се сада ту води битка и да прича о смени део договора демократа и дела републиканаца да се Трамп спречи да прави нешто своје.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:33 pm

    Nemaju, ali će senatori koji ne podrže impičment morati da neko vreme objašnjavaju zašto su podržali čoveka koji je izazvao napad na Kapitol i ubistvo policajca. (Ne određujem se prema ovome, samo konstatujem da su D dobili batinu za višegodišnje iživljavanje na GOP-u).
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    Post by rumbeando Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:07 pm

    Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas said Thursday that President Trump bears some responsibility for the violent siege of the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

    “Look, I think he plainly bears some responsibility,” Mr. Cruz told NBC-DFW TV. “At the end of the day, criminals are responsible for their own conduct, and the terrorists who conducted that attack — they bear the responsibility — but I think his angry rhetoric was reckless and I think it was harmful.”

    Mr. Cruz, one of the president’s top backers on Capitol Hill, said he’s long disagreed with how Mr. Trump has conducted himself.

    “I think he has been called out for his rhetoric over and over and over again,” he said. “The president has said things for four years that I’ve disagreed with. I disagree with a lot of what he says.”
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/8/ted-cruz-donald-trump-bears-some-responsibility-ca/

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:
    ali nije isključeno da veruje u neki narativ koji u potpunosti "pegla" ove prividne kontradikcije - npr da će po Q-ovom naređenju policija da poskida šlemove i pridruži im se u revoluciji i istrazi pedofila.
    https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5


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    Post by staret Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:29 pm

    Kirko Skaddeng wrote:Nemaju, ali će senatori koji ne podrže impičment morati da neko vreme objašnjavaju zašto su podržali čoveka koji je izazvao napad na Kapitol i ubistvo policajca.  (Ne određujem se prema ovome, samo konstatujem da su D dobili batinu za višegodišnje iživljavanje na GOP-u).

    Републиканци ће се позивати на насиље које демократе нису осудиле током 2020.
    Мислим да је то лоша стратегија демократа али видим да су кренули у том правцу. Бајден се проглашавао за ујединитеља и да ће смирити ситуацију сада се дешава супротно.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:32 pm

    Sad ima većinu u Senatu, sad ne mora samo da ladi, može malo i da kara.


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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:36 pm

    USA ima previše akumuliranih problema, retardi su zbog njih krenuli za Trampom, a onda je naišao Bajden kao spas od Trampa, što će samo dalje da uništava običnog, malog čoveka. Nije njima potreban ni Brat Si, ni Putin, sami sebe uništavaju. Počelo je, zvanično 2008, ali ne staje od tada. Poslednji koji je mogao da uradi nešto je bio Obama, ali jbg, važnije je mu je bilo da bude Great President nego da uradi nešto.
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    Post by rumbeando Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:38 pm

    Dominion sues pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, seeking more than $1.3 billion

    By Emma Brown
    Jan. 8, 2021 at 2:08 p.m. UTC

    Dominion Voting Systems on Friday filed a defamation lawsuit against lawyer Sidney Powell, demanding more than $1.3 billion in damages for havoc it says Powell has caused by spreading “wild” and “demonstrably false” allegations, including that Dominion played a central role in a fantastical scheme to steal the 2020 election from President Trump.

    For weeks, Powell has claimed that Dominion was established with communist money in Venezuela to enable ballot-stuffing and other vote manipulation, and that those abilities were harnessed to rig the election for former vice president Joe Biden.

    In a 124-page complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Dominion said its reputation and resale value have been deeply damaged by a “viral disinformation campaign” that Powell mounted “to financially enrich herself, to raise her public profile, and to ingratiate herself to Donald Trump.” The defendants named in the lawsuit include Powell, her law firm and Defending the Republic, the organization she set up to solicit donations to support her election-related litigation.

    In an interview, Dominion CEO John Poulos said the lawsuit aims to clear his company’s name through a full airing of the facts about the 2020 election.

    Poulos said he would like the case to go to trial rather than settle.


    “We feel that it’s important for the entire electoral process,” he said. “The allegations, I know they were lobbed against us . . . but the impacts go so far beyond us.”

    Powell did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    L. Lin Wood, a lawyer who has worked alongside Powell on post-election lawsuits and who says he is representating her in connection to defamation matters, called the lawsuit an attempt “to censor speech or try to intimidate people from telling the truth.”

    “I haven’t seen the lawsuit, but I don’t have any concerns about Dominion,” he said in an interview.

    As Powell’s accusations about Dominion spread after the election, the company’s employees were stalked, harassed and received death threats via email, text and phone: “we are already watching you,” read a text message to one Dominion employee, according to the complaint. “Come clean and you will live.”

    The company says it has spent more than $565,000 on protection for personnel since the election.


    Dominion has sent retraction demands or document preservation letters, often precursors to litigation, to more than 20 individuals and entities, including to Wood, White House Counsel Pat Cipollone and Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani; and to Fox News, Newsmax, One America News and the Epoch Times, media companies that have lent Powell an enormous platform in the two months since the election.

    Some of the news outlets, including Fox, have since backed off the claims or issued corrective statements.

    Thomas A. Clare, an attorney representing Dominion who is well-known for litigating defamation cases, said his team filed against Powell first “because she’s been the most prolific and in many ways has been the originator of these false statements.”

    “But to be clear, none of this would have been possible without other individuals and without other media outlets that have their own responsibility,” Clare said. “And we’re looking at all of them.”

    Asked whether Dominion intends to sue Trump, Clare said no one has been ruled out. “We’re going to follow this wherever the evidence leads us.”

    In the complaint filed Friday, Dominion chronicles more than three dozen of Powell’s public statements about the company, showing how she continued attacking it even after multiple local, state and federal officials rejected claims of widespread election fraud.

    She has claimed that Dominion’s voting system was created in Venezuela to rig elections for former Venezuelan leader Hugo Chávez and has said that secret algorithms in Dominion machines were used to manipulate votes in favor of Biden in 2020. She has accused the company of bribing Georgia officials to win a no-bid contract with the state. She has promised to tweet a video of Dominion’s founder — Poulos — saying he could “change a million votes, no problem at all.”

    No such video ever materialized.


    Dominion’s lawsuit cites “mountains of evidence conclusively disproving Powell’s vote-manipulation claims.” While many pages of the complaint are devoted to dissecting and rebutting of those claims, the company notes in particular that hand counts — including a statewide hand count of millions of ballots in Georgia — have confirmed that Dominion machines tabulated votes accurately.

    Dominion sent Powell a letter on Dec. 16 demanding that she retract her “wild, knowingly baseless, and false accusations.” Four days later, Powell wrote on Twitter that she was “retracting nothing.”

    “We have #evidence,” she wrote. “They are #fraud masters!”


    Since then, Powell has continued accusing Dominion of wrongdoing, including in a Jan. 3 tweet claiming that thousands of votes in Georgia were switched from Trump to Biden.

    The complaint filed Friday accuses Powell of breaking state defamation laws in Georgia, where she spoke at a “Stop the Steal” rally in December, and in the District of Columbia, where she appeared at a November news conference and has given multiple interviews from the Trump International Hotel. It also alleges that she engaged in deceptive trade practices by using false statements about Dominion to raise her public profile, gain clients and sell more copies of a book she wrote in 2014.

    The lawsuit, which seeks both compensatory and punitive damages, is based on Powell’s statements to the public and the media rather than on the allegations she made in federal lawsuits she filed seeking to overturn election results in four battleground states. But Powell’s actions in those cases — popularly known as the “kraken” suits, after a mythological sea-creature that Powell has adopted as a mascot — are under separate legal scrutiny.

    On Tuesday, the city of Detroit asked a federal judge in Michigan to punish Powell and her team of lawyers, including Wood, for using the courts to put forth “false and frivolous claims while seeking relief with massive implications for our democracy.”

    Powell’s lawsuit in Michigan was “full of intentional lies” and baseless accusations, and the Dominion-related conspiracy theory was “perhaps the most baseless,” Detroit’s lawyers wrote in a 56-page motion for sanctions.


    They asked Judge Linda V. Parker of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan to refer Powell and her team of lawyers to the court’s chief judge for disbarment, and to refer them for further professional discipline to authorities in their home states — Texas, in Powell’s case.

    Detroit also asked the judge to levy a financial penalty “sufficient to deter future misconduct,” at least equal to the amount of money that Powell and her team have raised to fund their post-election lawsuits.

    Wood said Friday that he had not seen Detroit’s motion but believed it was politically motivated. “On the face of it, I’d call it nonsense,” he said.

    Parker, who will decide how to handle the request, is the same judge who heard Powell’s kraken lawsuit in December. She dismissed it, finding that the allegations were “nothing but speculation and conjecture.”

    Powell has appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dominion-sues-pro-trump-lawyer-sidney-powell-seeking-more-than-13-billion/2021/01/08/ebe5dbe0-5106-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html

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    Post by rumbeando Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:47 pm

    Instead, Trump directed his disdain toward Vice President Mike Pence, who refused to do what Trump wanted him to do — illegally refuse to accept the final election results in his role as Senate president.
    By doing so, he may have alienated one of his most steadfast allies.
    “I’ve known Mike Pence forever,” [U.S. Sen. Jim] Inhofe said Tuesday night. “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.
    “I had a long conversation with him,” said Inhofe. “He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump).’”
    https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/inhofe-ive-never-seen-mike-pence-as-angry-as-he-was-today/article_439af4ae-5082-11eb-96b1-53cf9e218598.html
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    Post by rumbeando Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:58 pm

    On Wednesday, shortly before the president left the White House to deliver remarks to supporters, Mr. Pence told him that he lacked the constitutional authority to block certain electors from being counted, which the president had been pushing him to do, according to people familiar with the conversation. Mr. Pence said it would set a bad precedent if he veered off course, according to one of the people.

    The president was furious, the people said. “I don’t want to be your friend,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Pence, according to one of the people. “I want you to be the vice president.”

    Many of the president’s aides have been disturbed by his attacks on Mr. Pence, one of his most loyal allies. Some of the president’s advisers have praised Mr. Pence for following the constitution while under pressure from Mr. Trump to overturn the election results.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/under-pressure-trump-condemns-violence-at-capitol-and-acknowledges-election-loss-11610069019

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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:15 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    Erős Pista wrote:
    ali nije isključeno da veruje u neki narativ koji u potpunosti "pegla" ove prividne kontradikcije - npr da će po Q-ovom naređenju policija da poskida šlemove i pridruži im se u revoluciji i istrazi pedofila.
    https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5


    Da, da, baš sam na tako nešto i mislio. Čitao sam tekst, super je.


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    Post by MNE Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:16 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    Erős Pista wrote:
    ali nije isključeno da veruje u neki narativ koji u potpunosti "pegla" ove prividne kontradikcije - npr da će po Q-ovom naređenju policija da poskida šlemove i pridruži im se u revoluciji i istrazi pedofila.
    https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
    Q je definitivno najjača disinfo operacija ever, vjerovatno je počelo kao zaebancija nekog larpera a onda su preuzeli igrači iz službi.
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    Post by staret Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:19 pm

    Да видимо да ли ће имати храбрости да покрене нешто своје,

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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:21 pm

    neće, naravno
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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:22 pm

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/american-crises-capitol-assault
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    Post by Јанош Винету Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:26 pm

    Моје скромно мишљење је да ће то све бити испеглано и да неће бити никаквог судског епилога осим неког показног. Од 10.000 људи наћи ће 2-3 максимално до 4-5 да казне.

    Неће никога осуђивати на вишегодишње робије, а и ако буду, Трампара ће их вадити некако. Исто као и код нас, ко је пребијен пребијен, ко убијен убијен, ко упуцан упуцан, сад се разиђите кућама, издували сте се на протестима на које вас је позвао Председник државе лично.


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    Post by Guest Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:27 pm

    Vadiće ih Trampara, poznat po svojoj lojalnosti

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