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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:56 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:Dakle, onaj jeftini lik što može svako da ga pravi najednom ne radi. A onaj skupi radi. Ko bi rekao...
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:58 pm

    Ferenc Puskás wrote:
    Летећи Полип wrote:Dakle, onaj jeftini lik što može svako da ga pravi najednom ne radi. A onaj skupi radi. Ko bi rekao...
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    Post by kondo Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:09 am

    big if true



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    Post by Nino Quincampoix Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:17 am

    Nije mi baš najjasnije to. Rade se obdukcije?
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    Post by kondo Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:18 am

    ne, nego umre pre nego sto stignu rezultati ili u toku lecenja od osnovne bolesti a radjen je test


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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:20 am

    Malo preciznije je to rekao. Računa se u statistiku ako ima potvrđen virus i ako je umro zbog jasne manifestacije bolesti (npr teška upala pluća).

    Koliko znam, onog iz Šapca i dalje ne računaju ("umro je sa koronom, ne od nje"), delom verovatno i zato što mu je test bio pozitivan nakon smrti.

    Mada ne verujem da je broj takvih slučajeva posebno značajan, a u suštini je važan za naknadnu statistiku. Valjda sve ove brojke i inače uzimamo sa kašikom soli.


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    Post by Sotir Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:20 am

    Да воде само здраве не би било толико преминулих.
    Мислим да је ово најава због пацијената са онкологије, ту имам њих доста са радиотерапоје.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:25 am



    Prema uredbi Vlade Severne Makedonije, zaštitna oprema na licu mora obavezno da se nosi u svim zatvorenim javnim prostrima gde ima više ljudi, kao što su marketi, prodavnice, banke, pošte, državne i zdravstvene ustanove, javni prevoz.

    Na otovorenom prostoru maske moraju obavezno da se nose na pijacama i na mestima gde ne postoji mogućnost da se održava fizička distanca od dva metra.

    Građani neće morati da nose zaštitnu opremu kada su u svojim dvorištima, kada voze bicikl, bave se se individualnim sportom ili se voze automobilom sa bliskima.

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    Post by Yinid Atik Ayem Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:02 am

    Marius Lăcătuș wrote:izvoli

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    zaključan je ali nije problem da te pusti



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    Post by rumbeando Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:48 am

    NEWS RELEASE
    COVID-19 SEROPREVALENCE: FIRST ESTIMATE OF THE PREVALENCE OF COV-2 IGG ANTIBODIES IN THE POPULATION OF GENEVA


    Wednesday 22nd April 2020

    - First estimation of the prevalence of anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies in the Geneva population - First validation of an automated serological testing platform against the new coronavirus

    The University Hospitals of Geneva (HUG), more specifically the Population Epidemiology Unit of the Service de médecine de première recours, the Centre for Emerging Viral Diseases and the Service de Médecine de Laboratoire, conducted a study to estimate the prevalence of anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies in a representative sample of the Geneva population. The minimum global seroprevalence of 5.5% suggests that as of 17 April 2020, approximately 27'000 people have been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 in the canton of Geneva.

    Prior to this, the HUG conducted a study to validate the performance of a high-throughput serological testing platform that measures type G immunoglobulins (IgG) directed against SARS-CoV 2. This is the only high-throughput facility (200 tests/hour) currently available. The results of the study indicate that this test reliably confirms exposure to CoV-SARS-2 20 days after the onset of symptoms. The platform is being used for the population-based study mentioned above.

    Seroprevalence surveys based on the detection of specific immunoglobulin type G (IgG) are of utmost importance to know the proportion of the population that has ever been exposed to coronavirus. The presence of these immunoglobulins (antibodies) in the blood confirms that a person has been exposed to the virus. However, the presence of immunoglobulins (antibodies) in the blood does not indicate full or partial immunity to the virus. Indeed, at the present state of knowledge, we know neither the level of protection that this immunity confers against a new infection nor its possible duration. For this reason, the test is not yet available to the general population.

    In order to evaluate the seroprevalence of anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the canton of Geneva, the HUG launched a survey among a representative sample of the population. People who had already participated in the Bus Santé study (annual health survey of the canton's population) were randomly selected and invited with their families to take a blood sample and fill in a questionnaire. The study began on 6 April 2020 and runs until the end of May.

    Preliminary results are based on the first 760 participants, i.e. 343 (54% women, 46% men, 87% adults and 13% minors) between 6 and 10 April and 417 participants (53% women, 47% men, 87% adults and 13% minors) for the week of 14 to 17 April 2020.

    These first data show an estimated seroprevalence in the population of 3.5% (possible variability from 1.6% to 5.4%) for the first week and 5.5% (possible variability from 3.3% to 7.7%) for the second week. This sample, and the time period studied, are too small to infer with certainty the percentage weekly increase, but a significant increase was observed between the two weeks.

    The overall seroprevalence of 5.5% suggests that almost 27,000 people were exposed to SARS-CoV-2 in the canton of Geneva. This is a minimal estimate, probably linked to multiple uncertainties, including the time needed to develop immunity and the dynamics of the epidemic. It is expected that this seroprevalence in the population will increase in the coming weeks due to the recent increase in the number of cases in the canton.

    Interpretation of these seroprevalence estimates must be made with great caution. The still limited number of participants, the short duration of follow-up, and the influence of the performance of serological tests must be taken into account. Monitoring changes in seroprevalence over time is particularly important for anticipating and planning the public health response.
    https://www.hug-ge.ch/medias/communique-presse/seroprevalence-covid-19-premiere-estimation
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    Prema zvaničnom dokumentu o broju obolelih u ženevskom kantonu:
    https://www.ge.ch/document/covid-19-situation-epidemiologique-geneve/telecharger

    ...u periodu od 6-10 aprila u tom kantonu bilo je negde 4100-4200 zaraženih (očitano s grafika). Kanton ima oko pola miliona stanovnika, što bi značilo da je zvanični procenat registrovanih tada bio 0,83% pa se za tu nedelju dobija da je broj zaraženih potcenjen oko 4 puta.

    ...u periodu od 14-17 aprila u tom kantonu bilo je negde 4500 zaraženih, što bi značilo da je zvanični procenat registrovanih tada bio 0,9% pa se za tu nedelju dobija da je broj zaraženih potcenjen oko 6 puta.

    Trenutna stopa smrtnosti u odnosu na registrovane slučajeve po najsvežijim podacima je 205/4710 = 4,35%. Ako je precenjena nekih 5 puta zbog toga što je registrovani broj zaraženih potcenjen u odnosu na stvarni, to bi značilo da je realna stopa smrtnosti negde oko 0,9%.

    Kao i drugde gde su rađene serološke studije, i ovde se dobija realna stopa smrtnosti manja od 1%, ali opet višestruko veća od one sezonskog gripa za koju se navodi da iznosi 0,1 ili 0,2%.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:22 am

    Drugim recima da bi se dobio kolektivni imunitet u recimo Srbiji potrebno bi bilo da se zarazi oko 4m najmanje tk umre od toga oko 40 hiljada ljudi. S obzirom na to da nece bas svi zavrsiti na ICU, ali takodje i na to da ce na ICU zavrsiti i oni koji ce preziveti, to bi znacilo da bi u recimo narednih 6-7 meseci Srbiji trebalo vise desetina hiljada ICU jedinica (20k minimum) . Sto je cist SF tj dovelo bi do sloma svega.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:27 am

    Jedino postoji ta opcija da virus posle nekoliko meseci oslabi, a druga opcija je da se razlikuju sojevi virusa u npr Italiji i Srbiji sto vec ne znam koliko je realno ako se najveci deo u Srbiji zarazio upravo preko Zapadne Evrope
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    Post by disident Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:13 am

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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:24 am

    dobar je rujević, pravi levičar
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    Post by disident Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:25 am

    Talason wrote:dobar je rujević, pravi levičar
    Toliko gura sveCki model i ukidanje mera jer samo misli na konobarske plate i pad nataliteta


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    Post by kondo Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:29 am

    teško da on nešto misli, nemislilac opšteg smera, kao i većina sličnih novinara. jack of all trades master of none.


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    Post by beatakeshi Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:40 am

    Pa jel revidirao negde zaključke iz tog teksta gde mu nije išlo množenje i deljenje?
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    Post by boomer crook Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:48 am

    ne ulazeci u raspravu oko rujewitcha samo da primetim da bi bilo moguce da je svedcka u pravu te da je njen model potpuno neprimenljiv na dotrajalo srbijansko zdravstvo.


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    Post by boomer crook Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:50 am

    mislim jasno je da srbija ne moze da podnese ni udar jaceg gripa kako treba a ne ove kuge. naravno to je zbog EU pa tako bugari to podnose daleko bolje (ili lazu sto bi reko nestorovic).


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    Post by disident Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:50 am

    erős paprika wrote:ne ulazeci u raspravu oko rujewitcha samo da primetim da bi bilo moguce da je svedcka u pravu te da je njen model potpuno neprimenljiv na dotrajalo srbijansko zdravstvo.
    koji je to bezobrazluk stavljanja u isti kos danske,nemacke i srbije


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    Post by beatakeshi Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:54 am

    ...da bi bilo moguće...
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    Post by boomer crook Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:58 am

    tzv. krajnji kondicional. mislim mogu zamisliti svet u kojem nesto takvo radi za svedcku ali ne i za srbiju.

    mislim ovo pisem zbog onog tupavog teksa k. antonic koji je u rangu kritika venecuele na americkim medijima.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:06 am

    Radilo bi, mozda, za Svedsku da se i jos neko tako ponasa. Ovsko ce imati recesiju svejedno jer, ono, ne zivi se sam na ovom svetu. Ok, sacuvali su kfice i restorane. Mislim, Svedska apsolutno ima dovoljno para da je to mogla da zatvori i tim ljudima nadoknadi stetu. Odlicili su da im je jeftinije da umru hiljade vise nego sto je moglo. Tako da, prvo sto bi meni palo na pamet da sam Svedjanin bi bilo - ok, a sad mi smanjite poreze sa 30 na 15 posto, boli me qrac i za puteve i za mostove i za socijalnu drzavu ako mi ne cuvate zivot onda kad mi bude potrebno.
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    Post by boomer crook Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:19 am

    to ce uveliko zavisti od toga koliko je ljudi tamo zarazeno i ukoliko bude drugog talasa. citao sam sinoc pred spavanje o spanskom gripu i mogu reci da ukoliko se to, daleko bilo, ponovi onda ce ovo prolece izgledati kao piknik. i u tom slucaju neki "imunitet krda" ce biti itekako pozeljan nezavisno od ekonomije.


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