a future to believe in
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jbt, sad gledam kod dzimija tulsino gostovanje na MSNBC-ju. voditeljka krene da je pegla za susret sa asadom u siriji (sto je pitaju svaki put kad dodje na MSNBC zadnje 3 godine) a tulsi bukvalno izvode mccain stunt i izvuce svoje military credentials pred njom na foru 'ja sam bila u ratu za ovu zemlju, neces ti meni da pricas' i ova krene da joj se izvinjava i backpedaluje sa kako je zahvalna za tulsinu sluzbu u ratu a dzimi i publika su ekstaticni sto demokrata izvodi patentirani republikanski stunt protiv njih samih
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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nisu svi isti, neki su svesni (Bajden, Sanders, Klinton, Voren, Romni...) da to ne valja raditi i pokušavaju da prikriju koliko god mogu. prikrivanjem i foliranjem se korupcija svodi na nekakvu iole razumnu meru, a nama se pruža prilika da kritikujemo kada muvaju i lažu. Tramp je sasvim druga kategorija, on se i ne trudi.KinderLad wrote:Ne, gledaj, tu pricu svi su isti si imao (i ceo dem est i medijski)pre 4 godine, identicnu. Rezultat je da sad imamo ovu budalu u najvaznijoj zemlji sveta u najkriticnijem momentu sveta od ww2.
kada su meni ovde pokušavali da objasne kako su svi isti, ja ko papagaj ponavljao kako je cinizam super jer tera ljude da budu bolji i pristojniji. cinizam je kompliment koji...
edit: Hypocrisy is unavoidable and necessary. If people were required, at all times, to live up to ideals of honesty, loyalty and compassion in order for those ideals to exist, there would be no ideals. Being a moral person is a struggle in which everyone repeatedly fails, becoming a hypocrite in each of those moments. A just and peaceful society depends on hypocrites who ultimately refused to abandon the ideals they betray.
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P.S. par puta mi se desilo da u nekakvoj diskusiji kažem kako ne verujem poštenim političarima, pa me ljudi gledaju čudno. po meni, političar koji je sasvimpotpunosasvim pošten je ili lud ili glup ili fanatik.
ali je valjano da se pretvaraju da su pošteni.
ali je valjano da se pretvaraju da su pošteni.
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E a mi se smejali Velji kada je pravio distinckiju izmedju kraduckaju i kradu na veliko
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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moje društvo ovde sada jako dobro razume tu distinkciju. i Buš bi im sada bio dobar, krv bi dali za Obamu ili Klintonku. 2016-e su listom osećali Bernija.Serdar_Argic wrote:E a mi se smejali Velji kada je pravio distinckiju izmedju kraduckaju i kradu na veliko
kada je Tramp dobio, ja sam se ulešio tu noć i onako besan rekao drugarima... "Welcome to Serbia."
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Serdar_Argic wrote:E a mi se smejali Velji kada je pravio distinckiju izmedju kraduckaju i kradu na veliko
ja mu se nisam smejao, to je 1 velika misao.
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@Gargemel Dobro je bar to da razumeju, Tea Party imbecili dotle ne dobacuju.
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Zašto welcome to Serbia? Najgori vladari Srbije nisu bili selebritiji i pajaci poput Trampa, nego profesionalni političari.
Što se tiče poštenja, izgleda ne kapiraš da ovde nije o tome reč. Kome je do poštenja neka ide u crkvu, sa tim se slažem, ali ovde govorimo o tome kako ovi ljudi vide sebe i svoju ulogu, a ne da li su "pošteni". Berni gura jednu agendu i vidi sebe kao čoveka koji će je sprovesti u delo, to je ono što ga radi, što ga motiviše i što mu omogućava da u sedamdes' i osmoj gilja od grada do grada i drži sate i sate govorancija. Hilari, Bajden, Buš, sebe vide naprosto kao ljude sa urođenim pravom da vladaju (pa i da koriste perkove koje to sa sobom nosi). Nije to pitanje "poštenja", to je pitanje kako vidiš politiku i čemu ona služi.
Što se tiče poštenja, izgleda ne kapiraš da ovde nije o tome reč. Kome je do poštenja neka ide u crkvu, sa tim se slažem, ali ovde govorimo o tome kako ovi ljudi vide sebe i svoju ulogu, a ne da li su "pošteni". Berni gura jednu agendu i vidi sebe kao čoveka koji će je sprovesti u delo, to je ono što ga radi, što ga motiviše i što mu omogućava da u sedamdes' i osmoj gilja od grada do grada i drži sate i sate govorancija. Hilari, Bajden, Buš, sebe vide naprosto kao ljude sa urođenim pravom da vladaju (pa i da koriste perkove koje to sa sobom nosi). Nije to pitanje "poštenja", to je pitanje kako vidiš politiku i čemu ona služi.
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Код Трампа је, баш као и код одређеног броја српских владара, у питању једна емоционална агенда, те у крајњем исходу лична. Лична као нпр. personality disorder.
Иначе не разумем светоназор по коме су Хилари, Бајден или Буш људи без политичке агенде. Мени њихове агенде нису баш посебно прирасле за срце, али их они свакако имају и углавном (и на жалост) успешно спроводе. За Хилари се може рећи да има и нешто више/ опасније од агенде, а то је визија.
Иначе не разумем светоназор по коме су Хилари, Бајден или Буш људи без политичке агенде. Мени њихове агенде нису баш посебно прирасле за срце, али их они свакако имају и углавном (и на жалост) успешно спроводе. За Хилари се може рећи да има и нешто више/ опасније од агенде, а то је визија.
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@William: to sto pricas je “zeko a gde ti je kapa” narativ. Kada je Obama zavrsio sa drugim mandatom, kritika sa leva nije bila “a da li si ti gurao agendu u koju si verovao”, nego “zasto si (posto si postao obican gradjanin) poceo da primas novac od tog i tog”. Ako si dobar sa politikom, cekaju te na korupciji, ako je i to ok, cekaju te na postenju koje se definise nevezano za 1 i 2.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Pa svako ima neku agendu, ofkors, ali poenta je u ovome - zašto je baš ona morala da je sprovodi? Kada je, svim anketama i mejl skandalima uprkos, insistirala da baš ona bude kandidatkinja, da li je mislila da niko drugi ne može da sprovodi tu agendu? Pa sprovodio bi je skoro svako drugi, osim Bernija.
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samo pratis gargamela i lupas kontru. ako on tebi kontru, ti kontru na kontru
2020 ce se svesti kao i u slucaju srbije na pitanje
"a ko ako ne on?"
2020 ce se svesti kao i u slucaju srbije na pitanje
"a ko ako ne on?"
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Serdar_Argic wrote:@William: to sto pricas je “zeko a gde ti je kapa” narativ. Kada je Obama zavrsio sa drugim mandatom, kritika sa leva nije bila “a da li si ti gurao agendu u koju si verovao”, nego “zasto si (posto si postao obican gradjanin) poceo da primas novac od tog i tog”. Ako si dobar sa politikom, cekaju te na korupciji, ako je i to ok, cekaju te na postenju koje se definise nevezano za 1 i 2.
Koja je pa to kritika sa leva? Ono što sam ja video od kritike sa leva vezano je upravo za agendu, izneveravanje nade i politiku kompromisa, kako sa Vol Stritom, tako i sa republikancima.
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Sloba nije bio pajac, ali je bilo jaako zabavno u Srbiji '90-ih. nije ovde toliko loše, daleko od toga. ali je jako zabavno.William Murderface wrote:Zašto welcome to Serbia? Najgori vladari Srbije nisu bili selebritiji i pajaci poput Trampa, nego profesionalni političari.
nekakva nadprosečna narcisoidnost se podrazumeva kod svih koji se kandiduju za najmoćniju osobu na planeti. uključujući i tipa koji tripuje da je upravo on taj koji će nas spasiti od zlih i podmuklih svih ostalih. pa s te strane Sanders i nije u nekoj prednosti.Berni gura jednu agendu i vidi sebe kao čoveka koji će je sprovesti u delo, to je ono što ga radi, što ga motiviše i što mu omogućava da u sedamdes' i osmoj gilja od grada do grada i drži sate i sate govorancija. Hilari, Bajden, Buš, sebe vide naprosto kao ljude sa urođenim pravom da vladaju (pa i da koriste perkove koje to sa sobom nosi). Nije to pitanje "poštenja", to je pitanje kako vidiš politiku i čemu ona služi.
možda nam nije potreban narcisoidni spasitelj, već narcisoidni administrator?
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Narcisodinost je part and parcel politike, nije sporno, ali to nije ista stvar. Upravo to ti pričam, nije stvar u "poštenju", niti u nekakvoj primeni svakodnevnog morala na politiku, nego u tome šta te drajvuje. Ne znam ko je pominjao spasitelje, ali je prosto očigledno da Bernija drajvuje nešto drugo nego establišmentske figure poput Bajdena ili Hilari.
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78-godišnji lik koji je pre par meseci imao srčku, ali on i dalje piči i naširoko i nadugačko priča o revoluciji i svim mogućim čudima kojima će nas počastiti. kontra mračnih sila kojima smo izloženi... prilično je verovatno da ima malo spasiteljske sklonosti i to je ono što ga drajvuje.William Murderface wrote:Narcisodinost je part and parcel politike, nije sporno, ali to nije ista stvar. Upravo to ti pričam, nije stvar u "poštenju", niti u nekakvoj primeni svakodnevnog morala na politiku, nego u tome šta te drajvuje. Ne znam ko je pominjao spasitelje, ali je prosto očigledno da Bernija drajvuje nešto drugo nego establišmentske figure poput Bajdena ili Hilari.
dok Bajdena sa 77 u dupetu drajvuje to da je on taj koji ima veće šanse kontra Trampa, baš on taj koji ima veće šanse da sprovede programe koji vode univerzalnom zdravstvu... dodati po želji.
dok ja tripujem da je matorcima možda vreme za penziju. ali hebi ga, to mu je što mu je. valja nam potući Trampa.
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Pa sigurno ima, ali zajebi onda da nam držiš lekcije o "poštenju", i kako hehe, nema poštenja u politici. Nešto drugo je u pitanju.
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posto tema ide neki cudnim putevima, mogu i ja u mali off, elem, sve dobre kritike obame su bile pre nego sto je posto predsednik. evo jedne za vreme parjmrija 2008. podsetimo se:
dag henvud wrote:
Would you like change with that?
Super Tuesday II, as Fox dubbed it, took some steam out of the Obama bandwagon, but he’s still the likely Democratic nominee, and therefore the likely president-to-be. Which is remarkable, really—a nonparticipant can only stand slackjawed in awe of Obamamania. Previously rational people whom LBO admires, like Barbara Ehrenreich and Christopher Hayes, have fallen in love with the Senator’s brand of change we can believe in, a slogan that has to be one of the emptiest since Sandburg’s “The people, yes!,” that the New Party used in New York in the early 1990s. Obama has become the Tokio Hotel of politics.
On what is this mania based? Obama is inspiring the young, lifting the alienated off their couches, and catalyzing a new movement for…change, presumably one we can believe in. The content of this change is hard to specify. Some serious leftists we know and love point to Obama’s roots as a community organizer in Chicago, though many people in a position to know say he didn’t rock many boats in those days. He was embraced by foundation liberals, however, who greased his way into the Harvard Law School via a lakefront condo.
All of which doesn’t make Obama uniquely bad: he’s just another mainstream Democrat with a sleazy real estate guy in his past. Though he’s being touted as an early opponent of the Iraq war, he told the Chicago Tribune in 2004: “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position….” He voted to renew the PATRIOT Act, campaigned for happy warrior Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont in 2006, and wants to increase the size of the U.S. military. He supports Israel’s continuing torture of the Palestinians penned into the Gaza Strip. A Congressional Quarterly study found his Senate voting record was virtually indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton’s; the only major difference in their votes is a surprising one: a move to limit class actions suits against corporations, which Clinton voted against, and Obama for. Obama’s vote was against the preferences of a Dem financial base, trial lawyers, but pleasing to the Fortune 500 and Wall Street.
In this binary world, when you criticize Obama, people immediately include you’re a Hillary Clinton fan. Uh, no. Her politics are bellicose and neoliberal. Her “experience” consists largely of having watched her husband be president for eight years, though it’s likely they were sleeping in separate bedrooms for much of the time. A plague on all their houses.
Agendas
Some more thoughtful victims of Obama Disease point to detailed position papers on the candidate’s website. These must always be taken with a grain of salt, especially during primary season. Candidate Bill Clinton promised to “invest in people” and ended up being the president of “a bunch of fucking bond traders,” as Hillary’s husband memorably put it. LBJ campaigned as the peace candidate in 1964, and ended up killing a million Indochinese.
Obamians also point to his rejection of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC); they put him on their list of rising stars, and he asked to be removed. Encouraging—except for the fact that his chief economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee, the fellow who told the Canadians not to take the anti-NAFTA rhetoric seriously, is the DLC’s chief economist. Goolsbee has written gushingly about Milton Friedman and denounced the idea of a moratorium on mortgage foreclosures. That hire is more significant than asking to be struck from a list.
Big capital would have no problem with an Obama presidency. Top hedge fund honcho Paul Tudor Jones threw a fundraiser for him at his Greenwich house last spring, “The whole of Greenwich is backing Obama,” one source said of the posh headquarters of the hedge fund industry. They like him because they’re socially liberal, up to a point, and probably eager for a little less war, and think he’s the man to do their work. They’re also confident he wouldn’t undertake any renovations to the distribution of wealth. You could say the same about Clinton—but you know those hedge fund guys. They like a contrary bet. A share of Obama stock on the Iowa Electronic Market was 30 on May 19, 2007, the day of Jones’s Obama bash; it peaked at 86 on March 1, a gain of 187% (in a year where triple digits are rare). It’s since settled back into the low 70s, which is still quite a gain.
The phantasmic
LBO would be the last to argue that politics is all about rationality. Fantasy matters. But fantasy can have some relationship to policy. Take the example of Ronald Reagan, a man for whom Obama professed some admiration for having rolled back the “excesses of the 1960s and 1970s” and bringing back “a sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.” Reagan promised to make America “stand tall again” and “to get government off the backs of the people.” Certainly these phrases didn’t appeal to the rational faculties of the electorate, but they did correspond with a military buildup, a greater willingness to go to war, and an economic agenda of deregulation and reverence for private wealth. And Reagan had real political forces behind him—first, his cabal of right-wing Southern California businessmen, later supplemented by the corporate and financial establishment, and operating with a playbook written by movement conservatives and the Heritage Foundation.
What does Obama have? A lot of slogans that connect with nothing in the real world; in fact, their very emptiness may be the source of their appeal, because it allows people to project whatever they want to onto him, without getting bogged down in specifics, as Reagan liked to say. (Under attack from Clinton and McCain, he did get specific in his long Wisconsin victory speech. This brought attacks from Karl Rove and others, placing him on the “far left”; it’s not likely we’ll see much more of this irresponsible stuff from Obama as November approaches.) And despite the grand claims of enthusiasts, he doesn’t really have a movement behind him—he’s got a fan club. How does a fan club hold a candidate accountable? It’s not like he’ll take the phone calls of all those 27-year-olds who gave him $100 on the web as quickly as he’d answer a summons from Paul Tudor Jones.
Obama’s appeal is a strange thing. Though he’s added to it as his political momentum builds, his original base consisted of blacks and upper-status whites. The black support is out of racial pride, but the initial white support was driven by his post-partisan, post-racial appeal. Well-off whites love to hear a black man say that racism has largely receded as a toxic force, though it’s really hard to figure out what the hell he’s talking about in a world where black households earn about 60% as much as whites, and where black men are incarcerated at more than six times the rate of white men. And what of this post-partisan business? Politics is about conflicts over resources and priorities, and over the state’s power to coerce; how ever could comity prevail in a world where interests and preferences diverge so widely?
As Adolph Reed told LBO, an Obama presidency
Turn to cheercould give us the worst of all possible of worlds: one in which race is completely repackaged as a discourse of celebration and, to the extent that that had already become the only metaphor through which American politics could accommodate critical discussion of inequality, the language of ‘disparity,’ it will no longer be possible for critiques of inequality to be heard as an appropriate topic for political discussion. Obama already when he talks “black” (e.g., with his “Cousin Pookie” riffs, which are the exact equivalent of Shelby Steele’s rantings about underclass, shiftless “Sam”) opts for the Bookerite/Cosbyite metaphor of victim-blaming in the phony first-person plural, and he has always played the Immigrant Success Story Up From Slavery Ain’t America Great and Don’t I Show It angle. And, moreover, what many of his white supporters like about him is that he doesn’t have the ‘chip on the shoulder’ that so many indigenous blacks do. Add all this to his commitment to appealing to the right and to the investor class, and the upshot is that inequality could lose whatever vestigial connotations it has as a species of injustice and be fully consolidated as the marker, on the bottom end that is, of those losers who failed to do what the market requires of them or a sign of their essential inferiority.
Enough critique; the dialectic demands something constructive to induce some forward motion. There’s no doubt that Obamalust does embody some phantasmic longing for a better world—more peaceful, egalitarian, and humane. He’ll deliver little of that—but there’s evidence of some admirable popular desires behind the crush. And they will inevitably be disappointed.
As this newsletter has argued for years, there’s great political potential in popular disillusionment with Democrats. The phenomenon was first diagnosed by Garry Wills in Nixon Agonistes. As Wills explained it, throughout the 1950s, left-liberals intellectuals thought that the national malaise was the fault of Eisenhower, and a Democrat would cure it. Well, they got JFK and everything still pretty much sucked, which is what gave rise to the rebellions of the 1960s (and all that excess that Obama wants to junk any remnant of). You could argue that the movements of the 1990s that culminated in Seattle were a minor rerun of this. The sense of malaise and alienation is probably stronger now than it was 50 years ago, and includes a lot more of the working class, whom Stanley Greenberg’s focus groups find to be really pissed off about the cost of living and the way the rich are lording it over the rest of us.
Never did the possibility of disappointment offer so much hope. That’s not what the candidate means by that word, but history can be a great ironist.
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Има поштења, али све зависи од појединца. Предуго су продавали ту прагматичну шарену лажу. Јебем им матер.
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primetićeš da je diskusija krenula Bajdenovom korupcijom i neppotizmom. problem je u tome što je cela ta konstrukcija o Bajdenu u suštini besmislena, i to postaje očito kada se malo zagrebe.William Murderface wrote:Pa sigurno ima, ali zajebi onda da nam držiš lekcije o "poštenju", i kako hehe, nema poštenja u politici. Nešto drugo je u pitanju.
Bajden je čovek od krvi i mesa, ne nekakav zlikovac iz holivudske B produkcije. taj čovek će pokušati da uradi ono što on misli da će koristiti američkim građanima, i što će njemu obezbediti pozitivne prikaze u nekakvoj istoriji koja se bude pisala za 50 ili 100 godina. isto važi i za Sandersa.
jedini koji u celoj ovoj priči zaista liči na nekakvog holivudskog smrada je Tramp.
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My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.No Country wrote:За Хилари се може рећи да има и нешто више/ опасније од агенде, а то је визија.
(naravno, malo morgen bi javno rekla ovako nešto)
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odlican je dagizvezda je zivot wrote:posto tema ide neki cudnim putevima, mogu i ja u mali off, elem, sve dobre kritike obame su bile pre nego sto je posto predsednik. evo jedne za vreme parjmrija 2008. podsetimo se
znas da je dobra analiza kada je 2008 a cita se kao nesto iz 2012 ili 2013
cenkara npr nije provaljivo obamu do 2009/10 i prvih nacrta obamacare-a.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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Join date : 2020-03-05
- Post n°849
Re: a future to believe in
William Murderface wrote:Serdar_Argic wrote:@William: to sto pricas je “zeko a gde ti je kapa” narativ. Kada je Obama zavrsio sa drugim mandatom, kritika sa leva nije bila “a da li si ti gurao agendu u koju si verovao”, nego “zasto si (posto si postao obican gradjanin) poceo da primas novac od tog i tog”. Ako si dobar sa politikom, cekaju te na korupciji, ako je i to ok, cekaju te na postenju koje se definise nevezano za 1 i 2.
Koja je pa to kritika sa leva? Ono što sam ja video od kritike sa leva vezano je upravo za agendu, izneveravanje nade i politiku kompromisa, kako sa Vol Stritom, tako i sa republikancima.
To je bio neki drugi Obama na koga su se zalili, nije to onaj sto je bio u Beloj Kuci 8 godina.
Onaj sto je bio u Beloj Kuci je dobijao "njet" od republikanaca svih 8 godina. Cak su mu republikanci bili i zatvorili administraciju na par nedelja jer nisu hteli da glasaju za budzet, sto su isto i Klintonu uradili jednom. Za razliku od Klintona on nije popustio, popustili su republikanci, onaj narandzasti placko koji je bio House speaker je podvukao rep medj noge i pristao. Nula repubublikanaca je glasalo za Obamacare. Spasao je poslove radnicima u industriji automobila 2009. godine. Donosio je dosta zakona dekretom poslednjih 6 godima kada su i gornji i donji dom bili u rukama republikanaca. Za sve to vreme su republikanci imali samo jednu agendu, i slali su mu razlicite varijante zakona koji bi ubio Obamacare, na sta je on redovno stavljao veto. I na kraju mandata su R godinu dana odbijali da uopste razmatraju Obamin predlog za sudiju Vrhovnog suda. Obrazlozenje? Cekamo izbore. To se nikada nije dogodilo.
Jebote, politika kompromisa sa rapublikancima. J-E-B-O-T-E.
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Join date : 2012-06-10
- Post n°850
Re: a future to believe in
Obamin bipartisanship je toliko poznat da stvarnk ne vredi o tome pricati - to je bila njegova eksplicitna pozicija. Ti mi pricas o tome da su republikanci na nju reagovali ocekivano teroristicki, sto nije sporno, ali ne znsci da ta politika nije postojala, samo da jd bila osudjena na neuspeh.
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