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Летећи Полип wrote:Korbin je sistemski igrač. Neko za koga glasaju najbogatiji i najobrazovaniji je po definiciji kandidat poretka.

Летећи Полип wrote:Korbin je sistemski igrač. Neko za koga glasaju najbogatiji i najobrazovaniji je po definiciji kandidat poretka.

William Murderface wrote:

Летећи Полип wrote:Korbin je sistemski igrač. Neko za koga glasaju najbogatiji i najobrazovaniji je po definiciji kandidat poretka.

Zati i Vucica hoce da ubiu!!!

zvezda je zivot wrote:

Летећи Полип wrote:Korbin je sistemski igrač. Neko za koga glasaju najbogatiji i najobrazovaniji je po definiciji kandidat poretka.

nije sistemski igrac, ali kampanje mu nije bila dovoljno antiestablismentska.

i generalno njegov problem je sto nema temperament nesistemskog igraca. cak misim da bi ovu uzasnu strategiju koju je igro s bregzitom bolje odigro neko s boljim temperamentom, neko ko bi bio agresivniji preme bodzu, prema medijima i prema opoziciji u svojoj stranci.

Zuper wrote:Sistem je ceo medijski aparat, skoro sve stranke, korporacije koje preko FT napadaju Dzonsona zbog zelje da izadje iz EU tvrdo itd.
Korbin je bukvalno postao zastitnik Sitija u parlamentu tokom poslednjih 6 meseci.
I onda izlazi na izbore sa pricom kako ce on korporacijama pokazati.

Uzgred, Dzonson je najavio veci fiskalni deficit.

zvezda je zivot wrote:
nije sistemski igrac, ali kampanje mu nije bila dovoljno antiestablismentska.

i generalno njegov problem je sto nema temperament nesistemskog igraca. cak misim da bi ovu uzasnu strategiju koju je igro s bregzitom bolje odigro neko s boljim temperamentom, neko ko bi bio agresivniji preme bodzu, prema medijima i prema opoziciji u svojoj stranci.

zvezda je zivot wrote:

Летећи Полип wrote:Korbin je sistemski igrač. Neko za koga glasaju najbogatiji i najobrazovaniji je po definiciji kandidat poretka.

nije sistemski igrac, ali kampanje mu nije bila dovoljno antiestablismentska.

i generalno njegov problem je sto nema temperament nesistemskog igraca. cak misim da bi ovu uzasnu strategiju koju je igro s bregzitom bolje odigro neko s boljim temperamentom, neko ko bi bio agresivniji preme bodzu, prema medijima i prema opoziciji u svojoj stranci.

William Murderface wrote:To mi se vec cini znatno blize istini.

https://twitter.com/LukePagarani/status/1205487970897342464

Luke Pagarani
@LukePagarani

I did around 120 hours of canvassing in London, Bedford and Milton Keynes. I didn’t expect this result but here’s how I can make sense of it from what I encountered on the doorstep. 1/

The age differential was stark. Of course many of the older people I spoke to were polite and pleasant but 100% of the people who were rude and hostile were 50-80 years old. All of the oldest (>80) and younger (<40) voters were polite, whomever they were voting for. 2/

There was a visceral hatred of Corbyn (sometimes combined with Diane Abbott) from a section of voters outside inner London, primarily older white voters, both middle and working class. So far, so obvious. 3/

How did the demonization of Corbyn have such a strong effect in 2019 but not in 2017? Although on the face of it that demonization has been raw and relentless, actually it has only circled around the key charge, never making it explicit,... 4/

... so it has taken four years for low engagement voters to absorb it fully. The real charge against Corbyn is that he fundamentally believes that British/white lives are of equal value with the lives of others. 5/

Our opponents wouldn’t put it so bluntly but that is what it has always been about. That prioritisation of British lives must always be assumed, never justified, taken for granted as the ground the state is built on, never officially avowed except through ritual. 6/

The cenotaph. Gerry Adams. Prosecutions of historic crimes in N.I. Laying wreaths in foreign cemeteries. Poppies. Diane Abbott. Pushing the button. Watching the Queen at Christmas. 7/

It is impossible to defend Corbyn against this unspoken charge because it is clearly true. 8/

When these voters talk about having paid into the system all their lives, they’re not just talking about literal national insurance payments and the financial benefits they’re entitled to in recompense. 9/

They’re talking about a life of loyalty and deference to the state they expected to be their exclusive patron; and now they see a Labour leader who seems to invite the whole world to his allotment, to offer his homemade jam to anyone who needs it,... 10/

... for a lot of people Corbyn’s association with anti-semitism seems to represent his association with Islam, where Islam in turn comes to stand for the undifferentiated mass of humanity making a claim for equal eminence. 13/

What is particularly strange about all this is how it has moved away from primarily a concern about immigration itself, to a broader set of questions of patriotism, fiscal constraint, Brexit for its own sake rather than to end free movement, and deference to authority. 14/

With such voters, already retired or coming towards the end of their careers, talk of what we can build together leaves them sceptical and uncomprehending. It seems more zero sum to them. 15/

We have salvaged a small horde from the imperial wreck and only those whose fealty is proven can claim their share. I have absolutely no idea how we can appeal to such people. The idea of taxing the rich didn’t seem persuasive as these people just think it is impossible. 16/

They want the patronage of the powerful, not to challenge their power. 17/

I also canvassed a lot of young (18-35) working class people who had very little engagement with politics. Many had voted in the referendum (leave or remain but with much less conviction than the older voters) but only occasionally vote otherwise. 18/

Many had never heard about class politics at all. The idea of working class people voting for a party to tax the rich to pay for redistribution and public services was completely novel, and generally immediately attractive. 19/

It was amazing to see how quickly and instinctively they grasped a left-wing agenda while saying they had never thought about it before. 20/

There seems like a huge opportunity there for the left to make inroads with younger non-graduates in towns but how do we reach them? Organising and social media I guess? 21/21

We live in an era where declining social bases have led to socially weightless parties, new and old. Despite winning a crushing landslide, beyond a popular mandate to “Get Brexit Done” Johnson relies mainly on the implosion of his opponents. Even with Labourism effectively over, further political crack-up and realignment in the coming years will be virtually impossible for the Tories to side-step.
What I think is very clear is that Labour will find itself unable to benefit from the conflagrations ahead, its contradictions having now caught up with it and left it in terminal condition, after having dragged much of what counts for the left in Britain with it.

Daï Djakman Faré wrote:

zvezda je zivot wrote:

nije sistemski igrac, ali kampanje mu nije bila dovoljno antiestablismentska.

i generalno njegov problem je sto nema temperament nesistemskog igraca. cak misim da bi ovu uzasnu strategiju koju je igro s bregzitom bolje odigro neko s boljim temperamentom, neko ko bi bio agresivniji preme bodzu, prema medijima i prema opoziciji u svojoj stranci.

William Murderface wrote:To mi se vec cini znatno blize istini.

znaci sve suprotno od zakljucaka izbora 2016 - koji su da podsetim bili - previse bavljenja trampom (bodzom) samo ide u njemu u korist, hilari (korbin) je pukla zato sto nije pricala about the issues nego se previse koncentrisala na napad, etc.

malo se vrtimo u krug, ali nema veze

I have absolutely no idea how we can appeal to such people. 

zvezda je zivot wrote:

i generalno njegov problem je sto nema temperament nesistemskog igraca. cak misim da bi ovu uzasnu strategiju koju je igro s bregzitom bolje odigro neko s boljim temperamentom, neko ko bi bio agresivniji preme bodzu, prema medijima i prema opoziciji u svojoj stranci.

Летећи Полип wrote:Isto kao što je ilovača rešila problem Miloševićevih penzionera, pa sad niko nema da glasa za SPS/SNS.