UK - Politika i društvo

KinderLad wrote:Ok, to je ipak tesko uporedivo, u UK korektno zivi preko 50% stanovnistva. Minimum. To tamo je drugo pitanje - kako tako bogata zemlja moze da ima oko 20 do 30% ljudi koji zive u nekoj formi siromastva ili prekarijata. Drugacije je.

KinderLad wrote:Ok, to je ipak tesko uporedivo, u UK korektno zivi preko 50% stanovnistva. Minimum. To tamo je drugo pitanje - kako tako bogata zemlja moze da ima oko 20 do 30% ljudi koji zive u nekoj formi siromastva ili prekarijata. Drugacije je.

ontheotherhand wrote:

KinderLad wrote:Ok, to je ipak tesko uporedivo, u UK korektno zivi preko 50% stanovnistva. Minimum. To tamo je drugo pitanje - kako tako bogata zemlja moze da ima oko 20 do 30% ljudi koji zive u nekoj formi siromastva ili prekarijata. Drugacije je.

i oni koji imaju ok plate putuju dugo jer housing babl, to je drugačija forma siromaštva, vremenska oskudica, ne vidi se kroz oficijalnu statistiku

šta bi ti uzeo kao kriterijume korektnog življenja u srbiji?

Boris Johnson has spoken tonight to @NicolaSturgeon:

No 10: “The Prime Minister made clear how he remained opposed to a second independence referendum, standing with the majority of people in Scotland who do not want to return to division and uncertainty"

— Nick Eardley (@nickeardleybbc) December 13, 2019

Kondo wrote:Inace Nemci likuju, najjaci naslov: "Ćurke su glasale za Božić"

Election in Great Britain

The geese voted for Christmas

Boris Johnson has won the election house high and almost triumphantly, he can now govern through. Decency, sincerity and integrity have lost.

A commentary by Jörg Schindler

Friday, 13.12.2019 12:32 p.m.

So someone is lying to his country and his queen from the first day in office. He meets opposition in his party by throwing the opponents out on edge. He mocks parliament at every opportunity as a chatterbox, he makes a mockery of Members who fear for their integrity. He threatens the media with harsh consequences as soon as they become insubordinate. All of a sudden, he promises the people his party has cupped for almost ten years the blue sky. He avoids asking questions - or answers them with new lies.

And what do people do? They elect him back to office with an overwhelming majority.

So now Boris Johnson has finally reached his goal. And he has not only won this election, the third in four and a half years, he has triumphed in a way no Briton has triumphed before him for decades.

Johnson has plunged the Labour Party into a crisis from which it will not recover for years to come. He was the first Conservative in living memory to break through the red Labour wall in the centre and north of England and draw voters to his side, whose aversion to Conservatives seemed innate. He has swept away almost all the political rebels, including within his own ranks, who opposed his Brexit course.

From now on, Boris Johnson can practically do what he wants. He no longer has any natural enemies.

You don't have to be a social or liberal democrat to be shocked by the landslide that took place in England. Because the real losers of this election are not the Labour Party and the many voices of reason on all sides of the political spectrum. The real losers are decency, sincerity and integrity.

With this election result - and this winner - Britain has bid farewell to the growing club of countries that at best still regard democratic competition, the search for compromises and fact-based decision-making as a burdensome duty. They have now been replaced in the self-proclaimed motherland of modern democracy by the right of the strongest, the power of lies and the elimination of dissent at all costs. Donald Trump sees it with goodwill. He has played his part in driving the British away from the old continent. He will continue to work on it with relish. And with Boris Johnson he has a now tremendously powerful ally who is not only outwardly similar to him.

No one knows what Johnson will do with his power. The man for whom it is so much easier to get to the top than to be to the top probably does not know that himself. He may indeed turn out to be the liberal, moderate conservative whom some still think he is. As one who cements what he has smashed to pieces. Someone who is finally beginning to reach out to the 48 percent of Britons who voted to remain in the European Union in 2016. And someone who is really cautiously leading his Tory party on a new course so that it no longer ignores the growing poverty and grotesque inequality in the country.

But it could also be that the now finally unleashed Johnson continues his destructive course with which he has overrun the United Kingdom since his inauguration. That he continues to offend the Scots and Northern Irish.

And that he leads his country as far away from the EU as possible to continue the society-destroying deregulation and privatisation work of his predecessors - with low tax rates and a hire-and-fire labour market as one is accustomed to on the other side of the Atlantic. Trump and the now strengthened Brexit radicals in his own party will push Johnson massively towards it. No matter what the price.

They say geese would never vote for Christmas. They did it in Britain. Now they should hope that those celebrating will become vegetarians in time.

Летећи Полип wrote:

Boris Johnson has spoken tonight to @NicolaSturgeon:

No 10: “The Prime Minister made clear how he remained opposed to a second independence referendum, standing with the majority of people in Scotland who do not want to return to division and uncertainty"

— Nick Eardley (@nickeardleybbc) December 13, 2019

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William Murderface wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/sanders-warren-uk-elections

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/dont-blame-corbyn-or-brexit-labour-failed-to-fight-our-broken-politics/


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Corbynism was the English expression of a phenomenon which swept the Western world after the financial crisis. His victory in Labour’s leadership election was a response to the blatant failures of the free market, post-imperial wars and the staid ideology that had infected the whole ruling class. It was a response to deep feelings of alienation and immiseration.

Brexit was also an English response to this multi-headed crisis. Specifically, it was a rage against the alienation produced by the Blair and Cameron years, by the ‘leave it to us’ politics of technocracy.

It was a demand for empowerment and it came from the region of Europe with the most centralised government and most privatised economies: that is, as Anthony Barnett has argued, England without London.

When my friends on the left of the Labour Party argue today that they would have won if it wasn’t for Brexit, they imply that Brexit is a one-off event, a unique set of circumstances that can be set aside and discounted for the future. That’s a bit like the comforting notions that Labour would have won in 1983 if it wasn’t for the Falklands war, or in 2015 if Cameron hadn’t whipped up fear of the Scottish National Party. These arguments may even be true, but what they amount to is “Labour would have won if it wasn’t for Anglo-British nationalism.” Which is essentially saying: “Labour would have won if it wasn’t for the main reason the Tories normally win.”

At the root of this nationalism is a deep yearning for collective agency. It is in part a toxic backlash of a nation bitter about losing its empire, in part the legitimate demands of people to have control over their lives.

This alienation was mobilised by the right, who drew firm borders around the national collective and promised Brexit would allow ‘us’ to ‘take back control’. The response from the left should have been to offer genuine collective agency, through a political revolution.
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At core, the problem was not Corbyn. Without him and his ideas, Labour would be squabbling with the Lib Dems over a minuscule pool of voters trapped in 2005. Nor was the problem Brexit, because Brexit is just the latest expression of English alienation.

The problem was that Labour ran a campaign with a ‘retail’ offer when voters wanted empowerment. They asked people to trust the political system to transform their lives after the Tories had been waging war on trust in the political system. They failed to drive a debate about radical change to the British state, to rage against a system designed to ensure elite rule. And so huge numbers didn’t believe they’d deliver their otherwise popular policies. Because they have no faith in politics.

Rather than fighting to rip up the rules of our broken politics and hand power to the people, pro-Labour groups spent a huge amount of money reminding people of one broken part of our system, and then telling them to suck it up.
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Labour’s proposals could be summarised as a core argument: we will use politics to make your life better. But if people don’t believe in the political system, they won’t trust you. Corbyn should have raged against elite rule, and promised a new democracy, by the people, for the people. He should have tapped into the anti-systemic energy. It should have been 'by the many'. He could have won.

KinderLad wrote:Uostalom, kazem, nisu oni nista ocigledno fejlovali do letos i dolaska BJ. Ono sto su morali da imaju je plan what if 1, what if 2. Unapred

Zuper wrote:

KinderLad wrote:Uostalom, kazem, nisu oni nista ocigledno fejlovali do letos i dolaska BJ. Ono sto su morali da imaju je plan what if 1, what if 2. Unapred

Koliko unistavate srpski jezik.
Nije da mogu nesto da promenim nego ruzno izgleda ali kako hocete.

Elem, radnici i Korbin su pukli kada je Dzonson postao jedini u HoC koji se bori po svaku cenu da izadje iz EU dok ga napadaju svi mediji, stranke tj. postao je anti-sistemski, ono sto je Korbin trebao da bude.
I to se moglo lako videti na isptiivanjima.
Ja to nisam hteo da vama govorim ovde da vam ne kvarim sneska potpuno.
Morate i vi da zivite u nekim snovima.