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Post by MNE on Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:01 am

turska nije gruzija već ozbiljna vojna sila a još bi i narod bio jedinstven pri bilo kakvoj agresiji, slomile bi se tu i Rusija i USA da pokušaju bilo šta (konvencionalno naravno)
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Post by Mór Thököly on Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:05 am

Ok, naravno da nisam stvarno mislio da će neko zaista napasti Tursku, dajte ljudi...
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Post by Guest on Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:53 am

steta sto nece niko napasti to smece
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Post by Marius Lăcătuș on Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:56 am

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Post by Nino Quincampoix on Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:06 am

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Post by паће on Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:13 pm

Ко да више...


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Post by buffalo bill on Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:44 pm

veliki su carevi ameri. tramp je odjebao kurde, sada će pro-kurdska frakcija u vašingtonu da se naplati tako što će da naguzi turke a tramp će da pomogne jer neće da se još više zamera ekipi.  Блиски исток - Page 5 3579118792


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s administration is set to impose economic sanctions on Ankara, potentially as early as this week, for its incursion into northern Syria, one of the few levers the United States still has over NATO-ally Turkey.

Using the U.S. military to stop the Turkish offensive on U.S.-allied Kurdish fighters was never an option, defense officials have said, and Trump asked the Pentagon on Sunday to begin a “deliberate” withdrawal of all U.S. troops from northern Syria.

After Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Friday that Trump had authorized “very powerful” new sanctions targeting Turkey, the administration appeared ready to start making good on Trump’s threat to obliterate Turkey’s economy.

On Sunday, Trump said he was listening to Congress, where Republicans and Democrats are pushing aggressively for sanctions action.

Dealing with @LindseyGrahamSC and many members of Congress, including Democrats, about imposing powerful Sanctions on Turkey,” Trump said on Twitter, referring to the loyal Trump ally and U.S. senator who lambasted the president last week.

“Treasury is ready to go, additional legislation may be sought. There is great consensus on this. Turkey has asked that it not be done. Stay tuned!” he added.

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that sanctions were “being worked out at all levels of the government for rollout.”

Trump is struggling to quell harsh criticism, including from some of his staunchest Republican backers, that he gave Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan a green light to attack the Kurds last Sunday when he decided to pull a small number of U.S. troops out of the border area.

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It is unclear what sanctions are in the order drafted last week, which Mnuchin said was ready for activation at any moment, and whether they would be as severe as what lawmakers are proposing.

Representatives Eliot Engel, the Democratic chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, and Mike McCaul, the committee’s senior Republican, introduced a bill last Friday that would sanction Turkish officials involved in the Syria operation and banks involved with Turkey’s defense sector until Turkey ends military operations in Syria.

It also would stop arms from going to Turkish forces in Syria, and require the administration to impose existing sanctions on Turkey for its purchase of a Russian S-400 missile-defense system.

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry said late on Friday that Turkey would retaliate against any steps aimed at countering its efforts to fight terrorism, in response to the announcement of possible U.S. sanctions against Turkey.

The United States has successfully gone after Turkey with sanctions and tariffs before, hitting Ankara last year to pressure authorities to return an American pastor on trial for terrorism charges.

The United States could look at targeting arm sales to Turkey, something a number of European countries have already done. France said on Saturday that it had suspended all weapon sales to Turkey and warned Ankara that its offensive in northern Syria threatened European security.

The White House could also look at increasing pressure on Turkey over reports of human rights abuses during the offensive, with a threat of war crimes prosecutions.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-sanctions/as-options-narrow-on-syria-trump-prepares-to-drop-sanctions-hammer-on-turkey-idUSKBN1WS0SF
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Post by Mór Thököly on Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:51 pm

Četiri stuba američke politike u Siriji: Turci, Kurdi, Asad i Umereni ekstremisti.
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Post by buffalo bill on Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:00 pm

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Post by disident on Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:23 pm

Gargantua wrote:veliki su carevi ameri. tramp je odjebao kurde, sada će pro-kurdska frakcija u vašingtonu da se naplati tako što će da naguzi turke a tramp će da pomogne jer neće da se još više zamera ekipi.  Блиски исток - Page 5 3579118792


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s administration is set to impose economic sanctions on Ankara, potentially as early as this week, for its incursion into northern Syria, one of the few levers the United States still has over NATO-ally Turkey.

Using the U.S. military to stop the Turkish offensive on U.S.-allied Kurdish fighters was never an option, defense officials have said, and Trump asked the Pentagon on Sunday to begin a “deliberate” withdrawal of all U.S. troops from northern Syria.

After Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Friday that Trump had authorized “very powerful” new sanctions targeting Turkey, the administration appeared ready to start making good on Trump’s threat to obliterate Turkey’s economy.

On Sunday, Trump said he was listening to Congress, where Republicans and Democrats are pushing aggressively for sanctions action.

Dealing with @LindseyGrahamSC and many members of Congress, including Democrats, about imposing powerful Sanctions on Turkey,” Trump said on Twitter, referring to the loyal Trump ally and U.S. senator who lambasted the president last week.

“Treasury is ready to go, additional legislation may be sought. There is great consensus on this. Turkey has asked that it not be done. Stay tuned!” he added.

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that sanctions were “being worked out at all levels of the government for rollout.”

Trump is struggling to quell harsh criticism, including from some of his staunchest Republican backers, that he gave Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan a green light to attack the Kurds last Sunday when he decided to pull a small number of U.S. troops out of the border area.

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It is unclear what sanctions are in the order drafted last week, which Mnuchin said was ready for activation at any moment, and whether they would be as severe as what lawmakers are proposing.

Representatives Eliot Engel, the Democratic chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, and Mike McCaul, the committee’s senior Republican, introduced a bill last Friday that would sanction Turkish officials involved in the Syria operation and banks involved with Turkey’s defense sector until Turkey ends military operations in Syria.

It also would stop arms from going to Turkish forces in Syria, and require the administration to impose existing sanctions on Turkey for its purchase of a Russian S-400 missile-defense system.

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry said late on Friday that Turkey would retaliate against any steps aimed at countering its efforts to fight terrorism, in response to the announcement of possible U.S. sanctions against Turkey.

The United States has successfully gone after Turkey with sanctions and tariffs before, hitting Ankara last year to pressure authorities to return an American pastor on trial for terrorism charges.

The United States could look at targeting arm sales to Turkey, something a number of European countries have already done. France said on Saturday that it had suspended all weapon sales to Turkey and warned Ankara that its offensive in northern Syria threatened European security.

The White House could also look at increasing pressure on Turkey over reports of human rights abuses during the offensive, with a threat of war crimes prosecutions.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-sanctions/as-options-narrow-on-syria-trump-prepares-to-drop-sanctions-hammer-on-turkey-idUSKBN1WS0SF
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Post by паће on Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:45 pm

Шах, шах, падишах... ал' који ће шах да падне?

По свој прилици неће ниједан, коцкице ће мало другачије да се испослажу, биће 4-5 нових гробаља и то је то.


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Post by buffalo bill on Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:28 pm

za to vreme gazda radi poslove


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Post by Filipenko on Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:45 pm

Kao sto svojevremeno rekoh, Kurdima je jedina realna opcija nagodba sa Asadom. Posto je nisu hteli/trazili kada je bilo vreme, i kada su mogli da dovuku sirijsku armiju na granicu prema Turskoj uhvativsi Turke nespremne za reakciju, sada se cesu gde ih svrbi, i pogubice i to oko granice, a i po dubini teritorije, ako se Erdogan bude u potpunosti pitao, bice etnicki ocisceni sa svih teritorija do kojih bude doprla (pro)turska cizma, a njihovu zemlju naselice proturski dzihadisti. Sve u svemu, uzasno su prosli. No, tako je sa svima koji slepo veruju Amerima. Drac neka se spremi, sto bi Zuper reko.
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Post by паће on Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:52 pm

Немој рећи да су испали веће будале него Сакашвили?


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Post by Mór Thököly on Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:26 pm

Ne mozes da verujes nikome nikad u politici generalno, u spoljnoj pogotovu, samo napismeno, i to "advokat da pogleda"
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Post by Zuper on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:32 pm

Karadzic je imao napismeno od Amera da nece u Hag.
Iran je imao medjunarodni sporazum.


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Post by Mór Thököly on Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:41 pm

Zuper wrote:Karadzic je imao napismeno od Amera da nece u Hag.
Iran je imao medjunarodni sporazum.

Karadzic je pojedinac. A i voleo bih da vidim sta je tacno pisalo tu

Iz medjunarodnog sporazuma moze da se izadje. Recimo moze Amerika i iz NATO-a da izadje. Samo ne moze takva odluka da se donese i sprovede za 1 dan. 

Ali u medj. politici se morad cuvatu i kad imad nesto napismeno, to stoji. Ali je malo drugacije.
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Post by MNE on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pm

Zuper wrote:Karadzic je imao napismeno od Amera da nece u Hag.
Iran je imao medjunarodni sporazum.
jbg došao Tramp poništio sporazum, kad dođu demokrate poništiće se Trampovi sporazumi i tako u krug, imaju opravdanje  demokratija jbg
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Post by Јанош Винету on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:21 pm

Kako napismeno kad nemaju državu? Pitanje je imaju li i pismo...

Njih bi vadio samo međudržavni ugovor relevantnih aktera.
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Post by buffalo bill on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:24 pm

sporazumi se ratifikuju u skupštini, i kao takvi postaju deo i domaćeg zakonodavstva tj proizvode pravne posledice.

jcpoa nije nikad ratifikovan u kongresu. ne da to umanjuje američko izdrkavanje ali to nije bio sporazum u potpunom smislu te reči (kao što npr rusi nisu ratifikovali sporazum o slobodnoj trgovini sa nama ni posle 20 godina od potpisivanja, memo to zuper)
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Post by Mór Thököly on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Utvara wrote:Kako napismeno kad nemaju državu? Pitanje je imaju li i pismo...

Njih bi vadio samo međudržavni ugovor relevantnih aktera.

Potpisivanje sporazuma sa nekim je implicitno priznanje da se sa tim entitetom moze sklopiti takav ugovor. Ovo je izmedju ostalog i razlog zasto Amerikanci nikad ne bi potpisali tako nesto (upravo zbog Turske).

Kurdske karte su jako slabe, i pri tom su potpuno medjusobno razjedinjeni (i svi okolni rade na tome). Realno, trebalo je da budu malo oprezniji, ali sustinski tesko je sta moglo da ih spase, ako ih svi ostave na cedilu.

Edit: @Garg - mislim na drugaciju vrstu garancija.
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Post by buffalo bill on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:40 pm

Alexander Clarkson
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For all the "grave concern", in realpolitik terms what Turkey does in annexing Syrian territory is not one of the EU's red lines, which are rather structured around migration in the Aegean and points of tension around Cyprus.

The EU is simply part of a wider chorus of hypocrisy

If one viewed the last 3 years from a particularly cynical perspective, the creation of Turkish-run fiefdoms across North Syria might even be considered to align with EU interests in that they become spaces in which refugees that might flee Idlib can be diverted to by Ankara

As of yet the EU has not shut down talks with Turkey surrounding revision of agreements that manage migration between both states and align border regimes with each other.

As with Libya, the EU's rigid emphasis on border control may have contributed to warlordism among partners

The two primary category errors in examining the EU's rise as a potential great power is to assume that it is weak and to assume that it is nice.

https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/1183634042014588929
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Post by No Country on Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:42 pm

Колико се присећам, Караџић је имао Холбруково обећање, вербално а не писмено, мада је у принципу свеједно. Циљ је био да преда власт, и у игри су била апсолутно сва средства, као и увек што су. Мало је (повише) лицемерно потезати морал “дате речи” у одбрану гада и злотвора ранга Караџића.

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