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Post by Mór Thököly on Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:59 pm

Gargantua wrote:
Bungee jump wrote:

Vrlo moguc scenario. Umeju oni to. Pomalo lici na Sadama i Kuvajt, u smislu uvaljivanja lokalnog serifa u problem. Svakako, sa drugacijim "izlazom" iz situacije.

umeli su, možda, pre 30 godina.

kad nemaš ozbiljnog protivnika i tvoj skill počinje da opada. sad im je trampara predsednik. 

sic transit gloria mundi.

Ok, kažem - da je neko drugi. Mada stoji da je najverovatnija opcija opšti haos.
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Post by Mór Thököly on Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:03 pm

Zuper wrote:

sa twittera
ideally, you want the President of the United States, the Mayor of Crazytown and the village idiot to be three different people
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Post by Sotir on Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:08 pm

Турци доле могу да се ангажују колико имају потрошне пешадије. Своју немају, неће бити популарно кући. Могу као и у Африну да употребе оне своје зелене. Међутим њихова употребна вредност је мала, а и нема их толико да могу да окупирају цео курдски део. 
Зато ово може бити само ограничена акција, неко уваљивање на дужи рок неће моћи да изгурају.

Уколико би Курди прихватили неку аутономију и одрекли се своје војске (а остала локална полиција), вероватно би и Турци омекшали.

Курди немају неке шансе за отпор. Без обзира на бројност, мотивацију и стварање војске претходних година, нису довољно опремљени. ПОВР су им увек давали на кашичицу, често их и само амери користили. Да не говоримо о нечем тежем. 

Нема ко ни да им пошаље, ником у региону не одговара да сече грану на којој седи. 

Видимо завршетак једне бриљантне америчке политике...
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Post by паће on Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:08 pm

Штоно реко Џони, "а и то што читају, криве ствари читају"... Леле, замисли савршен злочин: подметнеш Трампу нешто да прочита и гледаш шта ће да се деси. Оно, не можеш да бираш жртву, али хаос бар можеш да темпираш.


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Post by Filipenko on Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:12 am

Kurdi su mogli da se vrate pod Asada sa sirokom autonomijom, i Erdogan bi bio time zadovoljan. Ovako...

Jos samo da ovako postupe i sa Albaptarima... Блиски исток - Page 3 2952840586
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Post by buffalo bill on Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:34 am

America Needs Turkey More Than It Needs to Stay in Syria

Perhaps Washington has finally realized that it can no longer be an effective player in the Middle East without Ankara.

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One of the biggest sources of discontent between the two “NATO allies” is the Pentagon’s steadfast backing of the Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG), the Syrian branch of Kurdistan Workers’ Party, which is a top national security threat for Turkey. Washington’s preliminary intent to impose CAATSA was met by Turkey’s grave warning that it would retaliate by staging a major unilateral military incursion into Syria’s YPG controlled areas and form a safe zone. In August, in order to prevent Ankara’s crushing of its allies in Syria, Washington sent James Jeffrey, (its special envoy for Syria) to Turkey. Furthermore, at the G20 Osaka Summit, President Donald Trump and President Recep Erdogan agreed to increase the bilateral trade to $75 billion. These actions persuaded Ankara to give up on an incursion in favor of joint patrols, which started in September. However, a disagreement arose over the distance the joint patrols were allowed to enter (Turkey wanted it to be thirty to thirty-five kilometers in depth while the United States insisted on ten kilometers). Erdogan warned that Turkey’s patience was wearing thin and an incursion is impending.
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Reporter Valerie Insinna noted in her story for the New York Times, that the F-35 is the Defense Department’s most expensive weapons program ever, expected to cost taxpayers more than $1 trillion over its sixty-year lifespan. Despite its gargantuan budget, the F-35 is nowhere near perfect and mired with problems that are affecting its operability. ... These financial, technical, and other political reasons have been creating a difficult time for the F-35 manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, in finding customers it needs to offset the already morbid cost. Earlier this year, Germany dropped the F-35 in favor of all-European Eurofighter Typhoon. Lockheed Martin’s chances in the lucrative European market were further reduced with the rise of joint fighter programs. In June, France, Germany, and Spain unveiled a new generation joint (Dassault and Airbus) fighter program. In July, the United Kingdom, Italy, and Sweden declared their own joint (BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce, Saab, and Leonardo) fighter program, Tempest. This makes it doubtful whether the United Kingdom, the Level 1 partner, will buy the intended 138 F-35s after it officially committed to buying 48. Therefore, given all these potential market losses, it would be financially unwise to keep Turkey, which committed to buy more than 100 F-35 jets, out of the Joint Fighter Program. ... The Turkish aerospace companies produce more than nine hundred landing gear parts and fuselage-related parts. Praising the efficiency and quality of the Turkish parts suppliers, Ellen Lord, the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment, said that “the F-35 program will likely experience both schedule delays and cost increases if Turkey is pushed out of the program.” Although she added that the Pentagon is still working on ways to ease this issue, she expressed hopes of keeping Turkey in the program.

Today, Russia is doing a very impressive job of pulling the second-largest member of NATO into its orbit, taking advantage of America’s blunders. When the Pentagon continued to steadfastly support Turkey’s arch-foe in Syria, Putin promptly offered his full support for Turkey’s incursion. When Washington announced that Turkey was to be ejected from the F-35 program, Putin promptly offered Turks an irrefutable deal on Russian SU-35. After Lindsey Graham’s recent overture, Trump reiterated Turkey’s indispensability for the JFS on Tuesday (October 8) saying; “So many people conveniently forget that Turkey is a big trading partner of the United States, in fact, they make the structural steel frame for our F-35 Fighter Jet.” It is a clear sign that without Turkey’s continuous involvement in the Joint Strike Program, the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin are going to have a hard time keeping it afloat. 

Finally, Trump’s decision to pull troops out of Syria and recent signs that Turkey may remain in the F-35 program indicate Washington perhaps has realized that it can no longer be an effective player in the Middle East by further alienating Turkey. With these major roadblocks being gradually removed, there is hope that the Turkish-American relations will rebound.  

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/america-needs-turkey-more-it-needs-stay-syria-86911

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Post by buffalo bill on Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:34 am

America Needs Turkey More Than It Needs to Stay in Syria

Perhaps Washington has finally realized that it can no longer be an effective player in the Middle East without Ankara.

...
One of the biggest sources of discontent between the two “NATO allies” is the Pentagon’s steadfast backing of the Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG), the Syrian branch of Kurdistan Workers’ Party, which is a top national security threat for Turkey. Washington’s preliminary intent to impose CAATSA was met by Turkey’s grave warning that it would retaliate by staging a major unilateral military incursion into Syria’s YPG controlled areas and form a safe zone. In August, in order to prevent Ankara’s crushing of its allies in Syria, Washington sent James Jeffrey, (its special envoy for Syria) to Turkey. Furthermore, at the G20 Osaka Summit, President Donald Trump and President Recep Erdogan agreed to increase the bilateral trade to $75 billion. These actions persuaded Ankara to give up on an incursion in favor of joint patrols, which started in September. However, a disagreement arose over the distance the joint patrols were allowed to enter (Turkey wanted it to be thirty to thirty-five kilometers in depth while the United States insisted on ten kilometers). Erdogan warned that Turkey’s patience was wearing thin and an incursion is impending.
...
Reporter Valerie Insinna noted in her story for the New York Times, that the F-35 is the Defense Department’s most expensive weapons program ever, expected to cost taxpayers more than $1 trillion over its sixty-year lifespan. Despite its gargantuan budget, the F-35 is nowhere near perfect and mired with problems that are affecting its operability. ... These financial, technical, and other political reasons have been creating a difficult time for the F-35 manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, in finding customers it needs to offset the already morbid cost. Earlier this year, Germany dropped the F-35 in favor of all-European Eurofighter Typhoon. Lockheed Martin’s chances in the lucrative European market were further reduced with the rise of joint fighter programs. In June, France, Germany, and Spain unveiled a new generation joint (Dassault and Airbus) fighter program. In July, the United Kingdom, Italy, and Sweden declared their own joint (BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce, Saab, and Leonardo) fighter program, Tempest. This makes it doubtful whether the United Kingdom, the Level 1 partner, will buy the intended 138 F-35s after it officially committed to buying 48. Therefore, given all these potential market losses, it would be financially unwise to keep Turkey, which committed to buy more than 100 F-35 jets, out of the Joint Fighter Program. ... The Turkish aerospace companies produce more than nine hundred landing gear parts and fuselage-related parts. Praising the efficiency and quality of the Turkish parts suppliers, Ellen Lord, the undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment, said that “the F-35 program will likely experience both schedule delays and cost increases if Turkey is pushed out of the program.” Although she added that the Pentagon is still working on ways to ease this issue, she expressed hopes of keeping Turkey in the program.

Today, Russia is doing a very impressive job of pulling the second-largest member of NATO into its orbit, taking advantage of America’s blunders. When the Pentagon continued to steadfastly support Turkey’s arch-foe in Syria, Putin promptly offered his full support for Turkey’s incursion. When Washington announced that Turkey was to be ejected from the F-35 program, Putin promptly offered Turks an irrefutable deal on Russian SU-35. After Lindsey Graham’s recent overture, Trump reiterated Turkey’s indispensability for the JFS on Tuesday (October 8) saying; “So many people conveniently forget that Turkey is a big trading partner of the United States, in fact, they make the structural steel frame for our F-35 Fighter Jet.” It is a clear sign that without Turkey’s continuous involvement in the Joint Strike Program, the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin are going to have a hard time keeping it afloat. 

Finally, Trump’s decision to pull troops out of Syria and recent signs that Turkey may remain in the F-35 program indicate Washington perhaps has realized that it can no longer be an effective player in the Middle East by further alienating Turkey. With these major roadblocks being gradually removed, there is hope that the Turkish-American relations will rebound.  

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/america-needs-turkey-more-it-needs-stay-syria-86911

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Post by Anduril on Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:47 am

Bez obzira na ovo sada, ne treba zaboraviti da Kurdi ne bi imali nista u regionu bez podrske Amera i to jos od devedesetih u Iraku. Nalaze se izmedju cetiri vatre u strateski veoma nezavidnoj poziciji a US ili EU naravno da ne mogu da otkace Tursku u potpunosti.
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Post by Mór Thököly on Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:52 am

Sve to znaju u Washingtonu i Pentagonu odlično i moj neki hunch je da je to 1 od 2 glavna razloga zašto toliko žele promenu režima u Teheranu. Mislim da im Turska postaje "skupa za održavanje"
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Post by Mór Thököly on Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:18 pm

AKCAKALE, Turkey — Shells and rockets landed in several  Turkish border towns on Thursday, killing four civilians, one of them an infant, and wounding 70, in a sharp escalation of the conflict between  Turkey and the Kurdish-led militia that fought alongside American forces in the campaign against Islamist extremists in northern Syria.

In other news izgleda da su Rusija i US blokirale osudu turskog napada u SB UN
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Post by Erős Pista on Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:29 pm

Lepo.


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Post by Mór Thököly on Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:39 pm

Mislim, ovo mi je izvor, ne znam jel pouzdan

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Post by Mór Thököly on Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:07 pm

Vladimir Putin has said the Turkish invasion into northern Syria could set free thousands of Isis fighters currently under Kurdish control and their potential escape is “a real threat for us”.
Speaking at a meeting of leaders of ex-Soviet states in Ashgabat, the capital of Turkmenistan, Putin said he was not sure that Turkey could prevent the escape of prisoners as it presses ahead with an offensive against Kurdish forces in northern Syria.

“It’s a zone where Isis fighters are concentrated, they are still being held by Kurdish military groups,” said Putin. “Now the Turkish army is going in, the Kurds are leaving these camps, and the Isis fighters inside can just escape. I’m not sure if the Turkish army can take [the fighters] under their control.”
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Post by Zuper on Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:35 pm

Eto, sto on ne uradi nesto, ima vojsku, ima mocne saveznike...
Jeste da su Kurdi izdali Asada i Ruse ali opasnost od islamista je veca.


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Post by Mór Thököly on Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:57 pm

Evo saće samo tetki da odnese S-400
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Post by Zuper on Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:20 pm

Vidis kako znas.
E sada ponovo procitaj to sto si citirao pa razmisli.


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Post by Mór Thököly on Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:52 pm

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Post by buffalo bill on Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:45 pm

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Post by Filipenko on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:00 am

I ako zarate sada USA i Turska, ko će tu zapravo biti promoter transatlantskih vrednosti, da znam koga da podržim?
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Post by disident on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:02 am

Ja podržavam da bude dugo i nerešeno  Блиски исток - Page 3 2304934895
A sad me i zanima nastavak tvita, jesu li turci samo gađali il pogodise i nešto


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Post by Mór Thököly on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:03 am

Zapretili su im sankcijama  Блиски исток - Page 3 2304934895
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Post by паће on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:05 am

Filipenko wrote:I ako zarate sada USA i Turska, ko će tu zapravo biti promoter transatlantskih vrednosti, da znam koga da podržim?

Пази, треба прво да знаш ко је ту коме род, тј носач атлантских вредности, а онда додаш трансрод, тј трансатлантик... Нешто као што је међуградска музика у односу на градску, тако некако.

Ако ти ово буде јасно (ни мени), даље је лако.


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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:09 am

ja radim za američku firmu koja ima fabriku u turskoj  Блиски исток - Page 3 3579118792
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Post by Mór Thököly on Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:13 am

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