The Day That Shook the World
Nov 07
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The story of November 7, 1917 — the day the Bolsheviks changed world history.
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fergi, i o fergiju
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Jürgen Zimmerer @juergenzimmerer пре 2 сата
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Funny how the victims of "Western" colonialism (i.e. capitalism etc) are never included in those lists of victims.
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Marc Liam @Sternchancer пре 1 сат
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@PriyamvadaGopal That’s because to do so would be to out yourself as ‘ideological’ whereas individuals such as @nfergus are just ‘objectively’ excreting the ‘common sense’ of their day. This from Richard Drayton in the JCH:
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Though I’ve been familiar with Chomsky’s writings for years, the level of doctrinal conformity in the academy never ceases to surprise and disappoint me. Also from Drayton:
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Ako nekog baš zanima Drejtonov tekst:
Where Does the World Historian Write From? Objectivity, Moral Conscience and the Past and Present of Imperialism
Richard Drayton
King’s College London, UK
Journal of Contemporary History
2011
46(3) 671–685
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0022009411403519
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4F3Tn4PT9rdt8nntNJc5Dp6/to-the-cinema-comrades-the-revolutionary-age-of-soviet-film-posters
To the cinema, comrades: The revolutionary age of Soviet film posters
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Gargantua wrote:Ako nekog baš zanima Drejtonov tekst:
Where Does the World Historian Write From? Objectivity, Moral Conscience and the Past and Present of Imperialism
Richard Drayton
King’s College London, UK
Journal of Contemporary History
2011
46(3) 671–685
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0022009411403519
Vrlo zanimljiv tekst.
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odlican tekst
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Napisacu ja koju o konstruktivizmu, supermatizmu, ruskom futurizmu i avan-gardi ako se nateram
Prvo, nije posteno reci da je to vezano iskljucivo za Revoluciju i SSSR. Primera radi, cuvena dela Kazimira Maljevica su nastala za vreme carevine. Otac svetske avan-garde, Kandinskij, je stvarao u carevini, stavise, on je posle par godina od Revolucije napustio SSSR(otisao u Nemacku i stvarao cuveni bauhaus, dok nisu dosli nacisti, koji je model mnogim danasnjim prozivodima poput Apple proizvoda), sto je pratilo celu rusku avanagrdu, sa sve samoubistvom Majakovskog.
Drugo, ti pravci ruske avan-garde su imali ogroman uticaj na umetnost(dizajn) i arhitekturu 20. veka u svetu. Vec sam pomenuo nemacki bauhaus.
Prvo, nije posteno reci da je to vezano iskljucivo za Revoluciju i SSSR. Primera radi, cuvena dela Kazimira Maljevica su nastala za vreme carevine. Otac svetske avan-garde, Kandinskij, je stvarao u carevini, stavise, on je posle par godina od Revolucije napustio SSSR(otisao u Nemacku i stvarao cuveni bauhaus, dok nisu dosli nacisti, koji je model mnogim danasnjim prozivodima poput Apple proizvoda), sto je pratilo celu rusku avanagrdu, sa sve samoubistvom Majakovskog.
Drugo, ti pravci ruske avan-garde su imali ogroman uticaj na umetnost(dizajn) i arhitekturu 20. veka u svetu. Vec sam pomenuo nemacki bauhaus.
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pa nisu se pojavili ex nihilo 1917. godine. u pitanju su internacionalni pokreti umetnosti koji su sebe prepoznavali u modernim politickim pokretima. iskreno ne znam sta je poenta ovoga sto pises? da distanciras avangardu od levih revolucija? pa oni su isprepletani na razlicite nacine i ako to zelis onda ti je to bas glupo.
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Koliko ja znam, futurizam je nastao u Italiji na samom pocetku XX veka a on je uticao na mnoge druge pravce. Pominjem to jer su mnogi futuristi bili nacionalisti u Prvom svetskom ratu plus fasisti nakon rata i italijanski futurizam ide ruku pod ruku sa fasizmom.
Dodsue, Musolini jeste bio socijalni revolucionar i levicar pre Prvog svetskog rata
Napomnjem za Rusiju jer izgleda kao da je Revolucija sve to donela a ona je odnela. Vrhunac je bio do neke 1890-1925 Kada prestaje taj inspirativni bum i nastaje veliko raazocarenje u drugove boljsevike i Revoluciju.
Dodsue, Musolini jeste bio socijalni revolucionar i levicar pre Prvog svetskog rata
Napomnjem za Rusiju jer izgleda kao da je Revolucija sve to donela a ona je odnela. Vrhunac je bio do neke 1890-1925 Kada prestaje taj inspirativni bum i nastaje veliko raazocarenje u drugove boljsevike i Revoluciju.
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nije tacno. imas knjizicu ruski umetnicki eksperiment pa uzmi da citas.
revolucija je donela, staljinisticka kontrarevolucija odnela.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletkult
revolucija je donela, staljinisticka kontrarevolucija odnela.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletkult
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In Search of 0,10 - The Last Futurist Exhibition of Painting
On the 100th anniversary of "The Last Futurist Exhibition of Painting 0,10," a landmark show of Russian avant-garde artists such as Kazimir Malevich and Vladimir Tatlin, Fondation Beyeler has assembled most of the work from the original show for the very first time.
https://www.artsy.net/show/fondation-beyeler-in-search-of-010-the-last-futurist-exhibition-of-painting
Revolucija je bila pocetak kraja.
http://www.theartstory.org/artist-kandinsky-wassily.htm
In Search of 0,10 - The Last Futurist Exhibition of Painting
On the 100th anniversary of "The Last Futurist Exhibition of Painting 0,10," a landmark show of Russian avant-garde artists such as Kazimir Malevich and Vladimir Tatlin, Fondation Beyeler has assembled most of the work from the original show for the very first time.
https://www.artsy.net/show/fondation-beyeler-in-search-of-010-the-last-futurist-exhibition-of-painting
The Last Futurist Exhibition of Paintings 0,10 was presented by the Dobychina Art Bureau at Marsovo Pole, Petrograd, from 19 December 1915 to 17 January 1916.
Revolucija je bila pocetak kraja.
Wassily Wassilyevich Kandinsky[a] (/kænˈdɪnski/; 16 December [O.S. 4 December] 1866 – 13 December 1944) was a Russian painter and art theorist.
He is credited with painting one of the first recognised purely abstract works.[1] Born in Moscow, Kandinsky spent his childhood in Odessa, where he graduated at Grekov Odessa Art school. He enrolled at the University of Moscow, studying law and economics. Successful in his profession—he was offered a professorship (chair of Roman Law) at the University of Dorpat—Kandinsky began painting studies (life-drawing, sketching and anatomy) at the age of 30.
In 1896, Kandinsky settled in Munich, studying first at Anton Ažbe's private school and then at the Academy of Fine Arts. He returned to Moscow in 1914, after the outbreak of World War I. Kandinsky was unsympathetic to the official theories on art in Communist Moscow, and returned to Germany in 1920. There, he taught at the Bauhaus school of art and architecture from 1922 until the Nazis closed it in 1933. He then moved to France, where he lived for the rest of his life, becoming a French citizen in 1939 and producing some of his most prominent art. He died at Neuilly-sur-Seine in 1944.
One of the pioneers of abstract modern art, Wassily Kandinsky exploited the evocative interrelation between color and form to create an aesthetic experience that engaged the sight, sound, and emotions of the public.
http://www.theartstory.org/artist-kandinsky-wassily.htm
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revolucija je bila pocetak kraja revolucije.
mislim ti ovde imas dva problema. jedan je jednostavno problem istoricarskog metoda dok je drugi problem pitanje umetnosti same.
jasno je da je 'revolucija' u umetnickom izrazu deo sirih, cesto veoma, haoticnih dogadjaja u rusiiji pre i neposredno nakon februarske i oktobarske revolucije. tu nema dileme da je na nivou medjusobnog prepoznavanja postojala jasna veza izmedju politickih i umetnickih revolucionara. na kraju krajeva i jedni i drugi su bili protiv okamenjenih drustvenih formacija. i jedni i drugi su se osecali i otudjeno i skrajnuto od 'glavnog toka'.
drugo je pitanje novosti u umetnosti gde je opet postojala jasna koincidencija sa politikom novog koju su vodili revolucionari predvodjeni boljsevicima. ovo pitanje sta konstituise novost i na koji nacin ona sebe pronalazi u starom, kako se dogadjaj novosti materijalizuje, ko mu je veran i kako, kako ga prepoznaju oni koji su mu savremenici jeste ozbiljno pitanje teorije umetnosti. na primer, maljevicev crni kvadrat je jedan takav dogadjaj.
ja sam ti gore linkovao wiki tekst o proletkultu. tu se vidi sta je bila zvanicna politika sovjeta u prvim godinama posle revolucije. tu se takodje vidi raskorak izmedju centralizovanog etatizma, utilitaristickog odnosa prema umetnosti, propagandizma i pitanja 'ukusa' i onoga sto je zamajac umetnickih praksi avangarde.
mozes da guglujes nesto i o sovjetskom konstruktivizmu, ejzenstajnu ili sostakovicu. svi oni su na ovaj ili onaj nacin bili protiv neoklasicizma, ponovnog osnivanja umetnickih skola i zdanovizma koje su polako postali glavni pravci boljsevicke politike kulture u godinama nakon pobede u gradjanskom ratu. ali te zgrade ne bi bile izgradjene, ti filmovi snimljeni i ta muzika napisana uz takvu podrsku drzave samo dvadeset godina ranije. stavise vec te 1913. godine za te umetnike je izbor bio fasizam ili revolucija. fasizam kao radikalno menjanje svega da sve ostane isto ili revolucija kao napad na sve sto takvo drustvo cini. postojeceg mislim njima je to bio jednostavan izbor a cini se da je i tebi.
mislim ti ovde imas dva problema. jedan je jednostavno problem istoricarskog metoda dok je drugi problem pitanje umetnosti same.
jasno je da je 'revolucija' u umetnickom izrazu deo sirih, cesto veoma, haoticnih dogadjaja u rusiiji pre i neposredno nakon februarske i oktobarske revolucije. tu nema dileme da je na nivou medjusobnog prepoznavanja postojala jasna veza izmedju politickih i umetnickih revolucionara. na kraju krajeva i jedni i drugi su bili protiv okamenjenih drustvenih formacija. i jedni i drugi su se osecali i otudjeno i skrajnuto od 'glavnog toka'.
drugo je pitanje novosti u umetnosti gde je opet postojala jasna koincidencija sa politikom novog koju su vodili revolucionari predvodjeni boljsevicima. ovo pitanje sta konstituise novost i na koji nacin ona sebe pronalazi u starom, kako se dogadjaj novosti materijalizuje, ko mu je veran i kako, kako ga prepoznaju oni koji su mu savremenici jeste ozbiljno pitanje teorije umetnosti. na primer, maljevicev crni kvadrat je jedan takav dogadjaj.
ja sam ti gore linkovao wiki tekst o proletkultu. tu se vidi sta je bila zvanicna politika sovjeta u prvim godinama posle revolucije. tu se takodje vidi raskorak izmedju centralizovanog etatizma, utilitaristickog odnosa prema umetnosti, propagandizma i pitanja 'ukusa' i onoga sto je zamajac umetnickih praksi avangarde.
mozes da guglujes nesto i o sovjetskom konstruktivizmu, ejzenstajnu ili sostakovicu. svi oni su na ovaj ili onaj nacin bili protiv neoklasicizma, ponovnog osnivanja umetnickih skola i zdanovizma koje su polako postali glavni pravci boljsevicke politike kulture u godinama nakon pobede u gradjanskom ratu. ali te zgrade ne bi bile izgradjene, ti filmovi snimljeni i ta muzika napisana uz takvu podrsku drzave samo dvadeset godina ranije. stavise vec te 1913. godine za te umetnike je izbor bio fasizam ili revolucija. fasizam kao radikalno menjanje svega da sve ostane isto ili revolucija kao napad na sve sto takvo drustvo cini. postojeceg mislim njima je to bio jednostavan izbor a cini se da je i tebi.
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grojs o maljevicu revolucionaru
http://www.e-flux.com/journal/47/60047/becoming-revolutionary-on-kazimir-malevich/
http://www.e-flux.com/journal/47/60047/becoming-revolutionary-on-kazimir-malevich/
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Jel može neko da objasni razumljivim rečnikom bez umetničkog pseudointelektualizma kako je fakin crni kvadrat dobra umetnost ili umetnost uopšte? I šta je problem sa neoklasicizmom? Mada kapiram da će neko sad da lupi etiketa fašizma ili čega već.
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pa to su dva odvojena pitanja. bolje ti je pitanje zasto se fasizam pronasao u neoklasicizmu i zasto je imao problem sa crnim kvadratom. inace ne vidim da grojsov tekst pati od frazeologije.
vrlo jednostavno crni kvadrat je anti-umetnost i bio je uperen protiv svega sto je cinilo postojecu umetnost. njima nije bio cilj da daju obrise neke buduce umetnosti vec da uniste postojecu.
vrlo jednostavno crni kvadrat je anti-umetnost i bio je uperen protiv svega sto je cinilo postojecu umetnost. njima nije bio cilj da daju obrise neke buduce umetnosti vec da uniste postojecu.
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Filipo Tomazo Marineti
Tvorac Futurizma i fasizma kojem su se divili drugovi u SSSR, cije korene vuce konstruktivizam u SSSR, kao i prvi ministar obrazovanja SSSR. Kada su nacisti pokusali da ubace u Italiju svoju pricu o ciscenju umetnosti od modernizma to nije proslo.
http://www.theartstory.org/movement-futurism.htm
Sto se tice da nije bilo izbora, to nije tacno. Kandinski nije hteo da bude komunista ni fasista. Dao je sansu komunistima nakon Revolucije ali je brzo shvatio sta je to i otisao je u Vajmar. Drugovi umetnici su ga odmah cenzurisali jer su svuda videli svevisnju silu u njegovim radovima. On to nije hteo da trpi.
Tvorac Futurizma i fasizma kojem su se divili drugovi u SSSR, cije korene vuce konstruktivizam u SSSR, kao i prvi ministar obrazovanja SSSR. Kada su nacisti pokusali da ubace u Italiju svoju pricu o ciscenju umetnosti od modernizma to nije proslo.
The most important Italian avant-garde art movement of the 20th century, Futurism celebrated advanced technology and urban modernity. Committed to the new, its members wished to destroy older forms of culture and to demonstrate the beauty of modern life - the beauty of the machine, speed, violence and change. Although the movement did foster some architecture, most of its adherents were artists who worked in traditional media such as painting and sculpture, and in an eclectic range of styles inspired by Post-Impressionism. Nevertheless, they were interested in embracing popular media and new technologies to communicate their ideas. Their enthusiasm for modernity and the machine ultimately led them to celebrate the arrival of the First World War. By its end the group was largely spent as an important avant-garde, though it continued through the 1920s, and, during that time several of its members went on to embrace Fascism, making Futurism the only twentieth century avant-garde to have embraced far right politics.
http://www.theartstory.org/movement-futurism.htm
Sto se tice da nije bilo izbora, to nije tacno. Kandinski nije hteo da bude komunista ni fasista. Dao je sansu komunistima nakon Revolucije ali je brzo shvatio sta je to i otisao je u Vajmar. Drugovi umetnici su ga odmah cenzurisali jer su svuda videli svevisnju silu u njegovim radovima. On to nije hteo da trpi.
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malo komplikovanije to je potpuna redukcija forme ka jednom obliku ne-figurativnosti. ne vidim sta ti je tu problem? da li mislis da je umetnost samo figuracija ili naracija?
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ostap bender wrote:pa to su dva odvojena pitanja. bolje ti je pitanje zasto se fasizam pronasao u neoklasicizmu i zasto je imao problem sa crnim kvadratom. inace ne vidim da grojsov tekst pati od frazeologije.
vrlo jednostavno crni kvadrat je anti-umetnost i bio je uperen protiv svega sto je cinilo postojecu umetnost. njima nije bio cilj da daju obrise neke buduce umetnosti vec da uniste postojecu.
Neoklasicizam je bio prisutan kod Staljina i Hitlera, kod Muslonija, kao tvorca fasizma, bilo je ozbiljne moderne, sto se vidi iznad.
Crni kvadrat nije tako crn, imali male pukotine
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Zuper wrote:Filipo Tomazo Marineti
Tvorac Futurizma i fasizma kojem su se divili drugovi u SSSR, cije korene vuce konstruktivizam u SSSR, kao i prvi ministar obrazovanja SSSR. Kada su nacisti pokusali da ubace u Italiju svoju pricu o ciscenju umetnosti od modernizma to nije proslo.
The most important Italian avant-garde art movement of the 20th century, Futurism celebrated advanced technology and urban modernity. Committed to the new, its members wished to destroy older forms of culture and to demonstrate the beauty of modern life - the beauty of the machine, speed, violence and change. Although the movement did foster some architecture, most of its adherents were artists who worked in traditional media such as painting and sculpture, and in an eclectic range of styles inspired by Post-Impressionism. Nevertheless, they were interested in embracing popular media and new technologies to communicate their ideas. Their enthusiasm for modernity and the machine ultimately led them to celebrate the arrival of the First World War. By its end the group was largely spent as an important avant-garde, though it continued through the 1920s, and, during that time several of its members went on to embrace Fascism, making Futurism the only twentieth century avant-garde to have embraced far right politics.
http://www.theartstory.org/movement-futurism.htm
Sto se tice da nije bilo izbora, to nije tacno. Kandinski nije hteo da bude komunista ni fasista. Dao je sansu komunistima nakon Revolucije ali je brzo shvatio sta je to i otisao je u Vajmar. Drugovi umetnici su ga odmah cenzurisali jer su svuda videli svevisnju silu u njegovim radovima. On to nije hteo da trpi.
kakve veze ima marineti sa ovim? njega su inace ruski futuristi izvizdali tokom posete rusiji. a nisu imali formalan izbor. nije kandinski postao desnicar ili podrzavao bele. a i on ti je los primer iz mnogo razloga.
maljevic, lisicki, rodcenko, tatljin... svi oni ostaju u sovjetskom savezu. ja ti samo kazem da izmedju revolucionarnih pokreta (pa i fasizma) i revolucionarne umetnosti postoji veza.
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Zuper wrote:ostap bender wrote:pa to su dva odvojena pitanja. bolje ti je pitanje zasto se fasizam pronasao u neoklasicizmu i zasto je imao problem sa crnim kvadratom. inace ne vidim da grojsov tekst pati od frazeologije.
vrlo jednostavno crni kvadrat je anti-umetnost i bio je uperen protiv svega sto je cinilo postojecu umetnost. njima nije bio cilj da daju obrise neke buduce umetnosti vec da uniste postojecu.
Neoklasicizam je bio prisutan kod Staljina i Hitlera, kod Muslonija, kao tvorca fasizma, bilo je ozbiljne moderne, sto se vidi iznad.
Crni kvadrat nije tako crn, imali male pukotine
i kod musoliinija imas neoklasicizam. nije tako jednostavno ni u italiji a ni kod staljina.
na primer autor ovog postera je el lisicki a godina je 1941.
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mislim najdosledniji u osudi degenerisane umetnosti je bas hitler. kod njega je to bas pitanje.
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ontheotherhand wrote:Jel može neko da objasni razumljivim rečnikom bez umetničkog pseudointelektualizma kako je fakin crni kvadrat dobra umetnost ili umetnost uopšte? I šta je problem sa neoklasicizmom? Mada kapiram da će neko sad da lupi etiketa fašizma ili čega već.
Neoklasicizam vuce na proslost, konzervativno, i nema nikakvog problema sa time, SAD su samo tako gradile(dok im nisu dosli razni Rusi i ostali Nemci tokom i nakon Drugog svetskog rata) jer su se palili i pale da su novi Rim.
Hitler je to isto mislio kada je cistio umetnost Nemacke od moderne. To je smatrao degenerisanim, dekadentnim.
Musoliniji je, pak, u futurizmu video slavljenje snage, moci, novog doba.
Vecina moderne arhitekture vuce korene iz futurizma i konstruktivizma.
Primera radi, ovo,
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Zuper wrote:ontheotherhand wrote:Jel može neko da objasni razumljivim rečnikom bez umetničkog pseudointelektualizma kako je fakin crni kvadrat dobra umetnost ili umetnost uopšte? I šta je problem sa neoklasicizmom? Mada kapiram da će neko sad da lupi etiketa fašizma ili čega već.
Neoklasicizam vuce na proslost, konzervativno, i nema nikakvog problema sa time, SAD su samo tako gradile(dok im nisu dosli razni Rusi i ostali Nemci tokom i nakon Drugog svetskog rata) jer su se palili i pale da su novi Rim.
Hitler je to isto mislio kada je cistio umetnost Nemacke od moderne. To je smatrao degenerisanim, dekadentnim.
Musoliniji je, pak, u futurizmu video slavljenje snage, moci, novog doba.
Vecina moderne arhitekture vuce korene iz futurizma i konstruktivizma.
Primera radi, ovo,
Samo u ranim godinama fasizma. Kasnije su se fasisti priklonili osudi degenerisane umetnosti.
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Bilo je toga sa te slike koju si stavio ali bilo je i futurizma
Ovo je 1933, 10 godina od preuzimanja vlasti Musolinija
Staljin je kombinacija neoklasicizma, poznog konstruktivizma i neke gotike,
Ovo je neka moderna gotika,
Ovo je 1933, 10 godina od preuzimanja vlasti Musolinija
Staljin je kombinacija neoklasicizma, poznog konstruktivizma i neke gotike,
Ovo je neka moderna gotika,