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bruno sulak wrote:fajt oko AI-a. zaista zivimo u buducnosti!

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bruno sulak wrote:fajt oko AI-a. zaista zivimo u buducnosti!

С тим што је та будућност већ прошла, а крљају се неколике верзије обећаних будућности око тога која је више обећавала и која је у већи чабар прднула.

The inherent property of games is that they are formal systems with relatively concise descriptions (rules). Such a formal system taken in the context of a physical entity (animal that typically lives in physical world) requires a substantial mental activity from the cognitive organ. Only sufficiently "intelligent" individuals excel at such games. But the formal nature and concise description means that the game is limited only to the states reachable via formal reasoning (everything is within a well defined box). Because of this pure, crystalline structure, there often exists a concise strategy for playing such a game, and that strategy can be expressed as a relatively short computer program (whether that program is typed in by a programmer or discovered via some sort of optimization is not important). The program is obviously not intelligent, often not even complex.

So what is different? All the animals we consider to exhibit intelligence are actually not placed in a game, but in physical reality. And irrespective of multiple attempts, it seems that reality does not have a concise formal description and therefore likely does not have a concise, mechanistic winning strategy. Reality is not a formal system! The program playing go or chess does not need to worry about all those things a physical player needs to worry about!

Now this is the most important sentence in this paragraph: physical reality is not a formal system with a concise description. Although we try to cover aspects of reality with formal models, and at various specific scales and in particular settings such descriptions can be very successful (e.g. Newtonian mechanics for a wide range of motion, Maxwell field equations for propagation of electromagnetic waves, less so fluid dynamics for weather prediction), there is no and likely there will never be a complete, concise, description of reality at all scales.

Sotir wrote:DeepMind koji je napravio ogroman prodor sa AI u igrama - go, šah, šogi, je posle uspeha u tome najavio da će da rade na StarCraftu, i na prevodiocu za sve jezike.
Nisu previše obećavali, evo sad vidimo rezultate u Starcraftu.