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    bela maca

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    Post by bela maca Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:34 pm

    btw ovo je knjiga
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    Post by bela maca Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:37 pm

    ćaća wrote:I ja ovo opisao ne bih nazvao fetisima (quirky things that spice things up), vec nekakvom skoro bazicnom seksualnom arhitekturom
    ja bih ovo opisala kao bdsm 1/1, ali ono, bdsm i bazična seksualna arhitektua su za gomilu ljudi sinonimi šta čitate? - Page 34 1143415371


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    Post by ćaća Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:24 pm

    bela maca wrote:
    ćaća wrote:Iz ličnog iskustva i iskustva nekih ljudi koje poznajem, trauma znacajno oblikuje seksualni identitet.
    za gomilu ljudi, da, ali ne obavezno. inače bi svet bio pun žena koje traže da ih neko kontrolisano zlostavlja šta čitate? - Page 34 1399639816

    Pa i jeste pun. I žena i muškaraca.
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    Post by kondo Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:40 pm

    ćaća wrote:
    bela maca wrote:
    za gomilu ljudi, da, ali ne obavezno. inače bi svet bio pun žena koje traže da ih neko kontrolisano zlostavlja šta čitate? - Page 34 1399639816

    Pa i jeste pun. I žena i muškaraca.

    +1

    i obrnuto, sto je ionako sadrzano u prvobitno iznesenom.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:58 pm

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    Uz pocetne poteskoce, zapravo mi je lepo legao Pekic. Nisam ga ranije citao. Cetvrta i peta prica su antikomunisticki patos onog vremena, ali su ipak dobro napisane, tako da se mogu shvatiti univerzalno.


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    Post by паће Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:34 am

    Патос у смислу патетике или си попио патос кад си прочитао?

    Универзално у смислу да могу истовремено да буду и антибилоштадруго?


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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:30 pm

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    Kripi pricica, koja nista ne gubi cak i da nije psihotriler. A nije btw, jer kako bi u suprotnom znala kako izgledaju ono dvoje.


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:54 pm

    Super mi je ta pričica, jesi gledao The Innocents (1961)?


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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:51 pm

    Jesam, pre nego sto sam procitao pricu. I to me u pocetku malo pomelo dok sam citao jer, moram priznati, u filmu nisam provalio to alternativno psiho objasnjenje. U knjizi se to mnogo jace oseti. Sa druge strane, pedo vajb iz filma je u knjizi mnogo manje naglasen, i to samo ako odlucis da ga shvatis na takav nacin. Odnos guvernante prema ujaku je mnogo vazniji.

    Postoje mnogo nijansiranija objasnjenja od moga, ali sto se mene tice - guvernanta je autoritarna licnost, do granice sizofrenije. Ujak je autoritet koji je svakoj autoritarnoj licnosti potreban da mu se podredi. Deca su zrtve koje ona zeli da podredi svojoj apsolutnoj volji. Kvint i Miss Jessel su nesvesne projekcije koje guvernanta baca na decu, a kao kontrast idealizovane slike koje svesno ima o njima. Decak ce postati baraba, devojcica raspojasana devojka koja leze sa barabama. Ona je tu da to zaustavi, tj kako ona to racionalizuje - da ih spreci da stupe u kontakt sa duhovima. Nastavlja da dodaje okretaje zavrtnja, dok deca na kraju nisu prsla.


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:56 pm

    Da, guvernanta je šiza, a ako se dobro sjećam ujak joj na početku kaže da će samo maštom doć do velike istine, pa joj onda služavka raspiruje tu maštu pričama o ono dvoje zaljubljenih, pa je tu i možebitna primal scene trauma kod djece i animozitet koji ona osjeća prema njima, kao neka projekcija krivnje.
    Miješaju mi se film i priča, a ideja mi je bila pogledat američku i meksičku ekranizaciju pa viti to kulturološki, međutim meksički ispao bezveze, ko neka okultna sapunica...


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    Post by Janko Suvar Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:22 am

    Ja ne znam da l je namera ovog Koste Nikolica bila da covek ima vise razumevanja za Slobu, al tu smo gde smo.
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    Post by boomer crook Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:19 am

    ti ne znas ko je kosta nikolic?


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    Post by Летећи Полип Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:12 am

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    From the choices made by French writers under the Occu-
    pation can be derived a more general law: The more a cultural
    producer is autonomous, rich in specific capital from a given
    field and exclusively integrated into the restricted market in
    which the only audience is competitors, the greater the incli-
    nation to resist. Conversely, the more producers aim for the
    mass market (like some essayists, writer-journalists, and popu-
    lar novelists), the more likely they are to collaborate with the
    powers that be-State, Church, or Party, and, today, journal-
    ism and television-and to yield to their demands or their
    orders.

    This law also applies to the present. The objection will be
    raised that collaborating with the media is not at all the same
    thing as collaborating with the Nazis. That's true, of course,
    and obviously, I do not condemn out of hand every kind of
    collaboration with newspapers, radio, or television. But, from
    the viewpoint of factors inclining the individual to collabora-
    tion, understood as unconditional submission to pressures de-
    structive of the norms of autonomous fields, the analogy is
    striking. If the fields of science, politics, or literature are threat-
    ened by the power of the media, it's because of the presence
    within them of "heteronomous individuals," people from the
    outside who have little authority from the viewpoint of the
    values specific to the field. 

    To use the language of everyday life,
    these people are already, or are about to become, "failures,"
    which means that they have an interest in heteronomy. It is in
    their interest to look outside the field for their authority and
    the rewards (however precipitate, premature, and ephemeral)
    they did not get inside the field. Moreover, journalists think
    well of these individuals because they aren't afraid (as they arc
    of more autonomous authors) of people who are ready to
    accept whatever is required of them. If it seems to me indis-
    pensable to combat these heteronomous intellectuals, it's
    because they constitute the Trojan horse through which
    heteronomy-that is, the laws of the market and the econ-
    omy-is brought into the field.


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:27 pm

    šta čitate? - Page 34 The-ca10

    Jennifer Egan opet lijepo piše šta čitate? - Page 34 4101625831

    Kao nastavak je romana (zbirke priča?) od prije 10ak godina, ali skroz se može i neovisno čitat.


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    Post by ćaća Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:14 am

    Uporedo Musila i Išigura. Na Musila se smejem kao blesav, Išigurov engleski je divan ali su mu teme dosadnjikave.
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    Post by Filipenko Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:49 am

    Konacno u originalu.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Thu May 05, 2022 9:53 pm

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    Kako bezvezna knjiga. Citao sam je u srednjoj skoli, i ne secam se da je bila ovako bezvezna.


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Wed May 11, 2022 9:14 pm

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    Davno sam gledala film i sad čitajući knjigu vidim da je Cuaron imao neki svoj drugačiji đir, možda filmski prijemčiviji, ne znam, svakako upečatljiv jer knjiškog Thea zamišljam jedino kao Clivea Owena šta čitate? - Page 34 1403342043
    Uglavnom knjiga je drugačija, jezivija, progone me čitavo vrijeme neke scene dok šetam a nisam još ni do pola došla. Dobro piše teta Phyllis.


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    Post by bela maca Wed May 11, 2022 10:08 pm

    it was the best of times, it was the worst of times
    mučim se sa ovim dikensom, ne znam što mi ovoliko teško pada
    a velika očekivanja su mi jedna od omiljenih knjiga, like, ever


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sun May 15, 2022 9:17 pm

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    Henry James meets geopolitics šta čitate? - Page 34 1233199462 

    Zanimljiv amersplaining Jadrana zasad, ima povijesti umjetnosti, književnosti.. a tek sam počela.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun May 15, 2022 9:19 pm

    Ne bih imao velika ocekivanja, iskreno. Covek pise o necemu o cemu, realno, ne zna puno.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun May 15, 2022 9:21 pm

    Ako nisi predaleko otisla, vidi da nadjes ovo

    https://www.sup.org/books/cite/?id=20101

    Jer ova zena zna o cemu pise
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sun May 15, 2022 9:35 pm

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    Apropo Amera, gledam ga ko putopis i ćakule s ljudima, još ubaci i književnost, povijest umjetnosti... a ono you had me at blind arcade i nepotrebno tumačenje Pounda šta čitate? - Page 34 1844795956


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun May 15, 2022 9:41 pm

    Ma dobro, naravno šta čitate? - Page 34 1143415371 Nego prosto, ako zelis to on zeli na visokom nivou, moras znati italijanski, nemacki, BHS itd, pa onda arhive...
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sun May 15, 2022 9:57 pm

    Čovjek neće arhive, vid' što kaže nyt šta čitate? - Page 34 1233199462 

    Had he, during his sojourn in Venice, peeked into the State Archives at the Frari or the Marciana Library on the Piazzetta San Marco, Kaplan would have discovered a hive of international scholars digging into the fascinating and complex history of this unique republic. Without those insights, Kaplan’s medieval Venetians are flat, lifeless and too easily defined. “Pragmatism, of both the ruthless and the enlightened variety, was the guiding spirit of medieval Venice.” Really? Can any people, particularly one as diverse as the Venetians, be so summarily dismissed? Realism, Kaplan reports, “was the one true religion of Venice.” Why then did they build over a hundred churches and monasteries? This is one part of the famous “anti-myth” of Venice, that the conniving Venetians were a nation of Shylocks ever demanding their pound of flesh.Kaplan does not go that far, as his approach to Venice and its empire is generally one of benign indifference.


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