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    bela maca

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    Post by bela maca Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:47 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:Da, da... Mora se imati tezak zivot da bi se intimno razumeo Starac.    šta čitate? - Page 33 1844795956



    Enivejs, bas mi leglo more i ribolov. Mogli bi da predjemo na krupniju ribu. Npr. na velike, bele kitove!

    ma si lud, sad će rat, ko zna koliko još vremena imamo, ne želiš da ti poslednja knjiga koju si pročitao (do pola, pa otišao da blejiš po kijevskim krovovima od muke) bude mobi dik

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    Post by Летећи Полип Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:57 pm

    Thou speaketh for naugth, wench, fer I already saileth away.  šta čitate? - Page 33 1861198401


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:22 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    Bleeding Blitva wrote:Napokon sam pročitala "Girl, woman, other" Bernardine Evaristo, riječ je o intersekcionalnom feminizmu kroz desetak likova, i bogami dobra je. Ali pustimo sad to, u jednom se poglavlju pozabavila nebinarnom osobom koja preferira zamjenicu they i sad me živo zanima kako su to poglavlje uopće preveli u nas. U jednom istraživanju kažu da je kod nas zajebano jer nam je jezik jako gendered i onda nebinarne osobe koriste malo jedan oblik malo drugi, ali najzanimljivije je da su vratili u uporabu aorist i imperfekt jer su oni rodno neutralni.
    Negde sam pročitao u srbijanskim novinama izmedju dva rata članak o aktivnostima kralja Aleksandra, gde je bio, šta je radio. Umesto “on” napišu “Oni”, sa velikim slovom. “Oni su se zahvalili na lepom dočeku, na kome je Njima uručena plaketa grada….”. Moglo bi i tako za rodno neutralne.
    A kako je 'oni' muška množina nekad znaju reću i 'onie' da pokriju oba roda. Svakakvih strategija ima.

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    Post by mstislaw Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:56 pm

    Jutros saznadoh da je Evaristo prevedena i kod nas ("Službeni glasnik"). Sledeće nedelje kupujem knjigu, pa javljam kako se prevoditeljka snašla.
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    Post by паће Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:11 am

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Negde sam pročitao u srbijanskim novinama izmedju dva rata članak o aktivnostima kralja Aleksandra, gde je bio, šta je radio. Umesto “on” napišu “Oni”, sa velikim slovom. “Oni su se zahvalili na lepom dočeku, na kome je Njima uručena plaketa grada….”. Moglo bi i tako za rodno neutralne.

    Ево буквалног превода нечег што је 1 колегиница написала на тамошњем форуму пре 14 година:

    њојза wrote:
    Мом старијем је 15 и има само почетничку али сам им рекла често .. кад дође време и буду на журци и пили су или је њихов возач пио, да ме зову и доћи ћу по њих .. не питам ништа. Рађе ћу да их покупим од другара него да их препознајем у мртвачници.

    Да не грешим душу, њих помиње у једнини чак двапут.


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    Post by Notxor Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:52 pm

    Obećava:

    David Graeber - BULLSHIT JOBS - A Theory

    Kurt works for a subcontractor for the German military. Or … actually, he is employed by a subcontractor of a subcontractor of a subcontractor for the German military. Here is how he describes his work:

    The German military has a subcontractor that does their IT work.
    The IT firm has a subcontractor that does their logistics.
    The logistics firm has a subcontractor that does their personnel management, and I work for that company.
    Let’s say soldier A moves to an office two rooms farther down the hall. Instead of just carrying his computer over there, he has to fill out a form.
    The IT subcontractor will get the form, people will read it and approve it, and forward it to the logistics firm.
    The logistics firm will then have to approve the moving down the hall and will request personnel from us.
    The office people in my company will then do whatever they do, and now I come in.
    I get an email: “Be at barracks B at time C.” Usually these barracks are one hundred to five hundred kilometers [62–310 miles] away from my home, so I will get a rental car. I take the rental car, drive to the barracks, let dispatch know that I arrived, fill out a form, unhook the computer, load the computer into a box, seal the box, have a guy from the logistics firm carry the box to the next room, where I unseal the box, fill out another form, hook up the computer, call dispatch to tell them how long I took, get a couple of signatures, take my rental car back home, send dispatch a letter with all of the paperwork and then get paid.
    So instead of the soldier carrying his computer for five meters, two people drive for a combined six to ten hours, fill out around fifteen pages of paperwork, and waste a good four hundred euros of taxpayers’ money.


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:45 pm

    mstislaw wrote:Jutros saznadoh da je Evaristo prevedena i kod nas ("Službeni glasnik"). Sledeće nedelje kupujem knjigu, pa javljam kako se prevoditeljka snašla.
    šta čitate? - Page 33 819872012

    Zaletila sam se do knjižare ciljano na poglavlje, uslikala, al loša mi je fotka pa tipkam:

    Morgan (ne više Megan)
    već šest godina samoodređuje se kao bezrodna osoba, naučio/naučila je ostati smiren/smirena kad ljudi ne koriste ili ne razumiju njegovu/njezinu zamjenicu
    isprva im je htio/htjela razbiti zube

    on/ona* se naslanja na zid......

    *Englesku zamjenicu they/them kojom se Morgan odlučuje služiti kao bezrodna osoba nije moguće prevesti na hrvatski jezik zamjenicom oni pa smo stoga koristili zamjenice on/ona, njegov/njezin. Isto smo pristupili glagolskim oblicima te smo ih konjugirali u oba roda.


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    Post by паће Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:30 am

    Како рече колегиница из тамоа
    јануара 2008. wrote:Мом старијем је 15 и има само почетничку али сам им рекла често .. кад дође време и буду на журци и пили су или је њихов возач пио, да ме зову и доћи ћу по њих .. не питам ништа. Рађе ћу да их покупим од другара него да их препознајем у мртвачници.

    (превео сам најбуквалније... овај отворени прелом граматике, да рођено дете у сред реченице пређе у множину само зато да се не би користила лична заменица трећег лица која има род (замисли, род!)... то је сад већ нормално, ако не и норма.)


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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:06 am

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    Zapravo sasvim ok knjiga. Btw, ko misli da je Dina nesrecna sa svojim adaptacijama, tek treba da vidi ovo. Dva filma i serija - ne zna se koja ekranizacija je otudjenija od izvornog materijala. Ali to je valjda usud krajnje nefilmicne knjige sa intrigantnom premisom.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:12 am

    The queerest type I ever saw in the hotel was an ‘extra’.

    He had been engaged at twenty-five francs for the day to re-
    place the Magyar, who was ill. He was a Serbian, a thick-set
    nimble fellow of about twenty-five, speaking six languages,
    including English. He seemed to know all about hotel work,
    and up till midday he worked like a slave. Then, as soon as
    it had struck twelve, he turned sulky, shirked Us work, stole
    wine, and finally crowned all by loafing about openly with a
    pipe in his mouth. Smoking, of course, was forbidden under
    severe penalties. The manager himself heard of it and came
    down to interview the Serbian, fuming with rage.
    ‘What the devil do you mean by smoking here?’ he
    cried.

    ‘What the devil do you mean by having a face like that?’
    answered the Serbian, calmly.

    I cannot convey the blasphemy of such a remark. The
    head cook, if a PLONGEUR had spoken to him like that,
    would have thrown a saucepan of hot soup in his face. The
    manager said instantly, ‘You’re sacked!’ and at two o’clock
    the Serbian was given his twenty-five francs and duly
    sacked. Before he went out Boris asked him in Russian what
    game he was playing. He said the Serbian answered:
    ‘Look here, MON VIEUX, they’ve got to pay me a day’s
    wages if I work up to midday, haven’t they? That’s the law.
    And where’s the sense of working after I get my wages? So

    I’ll tell you what I do. I go to a hotel and get a job as an ex-
    tra, and up to midday I work hard. Then, the moment it’s

    struck twelve, I start raising such hell that they’ve no choice
    but to sack me. Neat, eh? Most days I’m sacked by half past
    twelve; today it was two o’clock; but I don’t care, I’ve saved
    four hours’ work. The only trouble is, one can’t do it at the
    same hotel twice.’

    It appeared that he had played this game at half the hotels
    and restaurants in Paris. It is probably quite an easy game
    to play during the summer, though the hotels protect them-
    selves against it as well as they can by means of a black list.


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    Post by Јанош Винету Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:24 am

    Летећи Полип wrote:
    The queerest type I ever saw in the hotel was an ‘extra’.

    He had been engaged at twenty-five francs for the day to re-
    place the Magyar, who was ill. He was a Serbian, a thick-set
    nimble fellow of about twenty-five, speaking six languages,
    including English. He seemed to know all about hotel work,
    and up till midday he worked like a slave. Then, as soon as
    it had struck twelve, he turned sulky, shirked Us work, stole
    wine, and finally crowned all by loafing about openly with a
    pipe in his mouth. Smoking, of course, was forbidden under
    severe penalties. The manager himself heard of it and came
    down to interview the Serbian, fuming with rage.
    ‘What the devil do you mean by smoking here?’ he
    cried.

    ‘What the devil do you mean by having a face like that?’
    answered the Serbian, calmly.

    I cannot convey the blasphemy of such a remark. The
    head cook, if a PLONGEUR had spoken to him like that,
    would have thrown a saucepan of hot soup in his face. The
    manager said instantly, ‘You’re sacked!’ and at two o’clock
    the Serbian was given his twenty-five francs and duly
    sacked. Before he went out Boris asked him in Russian what
    game he was playing. He said the Serbian answered:
    ‘Look here, MON VIEUX, they’ve got to pay me a day’s
    wages if I work up to midday, haven’t they? That’s the law.
    And where’s the sense of working after I get my wages? So

    I’ll tell you what I do. I go to a hotel and get a job as an ex-
    tra, and up to midday I work hard. Then, the moment it’s

    struck twelve, I start raising such hell that they’ve no choice
    but to sack me. Neat, eh? Most days I’m sacked by half past
    twelve; today it was two o’clock; but I don’t care, I’ve saved
    four hours’ work. The only trouble is, one can’t do it at the
    same hotel twice.’

    It appeared that he had played this game at half the hotels
    and restaurants in Paris. It is probably quite an easy game
    to play during the summer, though the hotels protect them-
    selves against it as well as they can by means of a black list.

    Down and out in Paris and London, сјајна књига. Боље описује тај период него многе књиге суве теорије.

    Упознао сам једног који скоро идентичног таквог - знао је 5 језика и потуцао се од фирме до фирме, без неке одређене професије или занимања.


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    Burundi... opskurno udruženje 20ak levičarskih intelektualaca, kojima je fetiš odbrana poniženih i uvredjenih.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:28 am

    Yup. Danas sam bio na Adi, i preslusao je celu.


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    Post by паће Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:37 am

    Давно сам то читао, био добар превод. Најбоље сам запамтио баш то по париским хотелима и зашто ножеви треба да су оштри.


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    Post by bela maca Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:49 am

    srbin pobedio.

    ja sam btw preslušala celokupnog šerloka holmsa, u izvedbi stivena fraja.
    uživala sam svih 72 sata, možda ne toliko u dogodovštinama, koje su umele biti repetitivne, koliko u predivnom engleskom, kao i u frajevom glasu i dikciji.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:19 pm

    Sto jes jes, narator je kljucno bitan. Ne mogu da slusam librivox amatere nikako. Glas, dikcija... upropaste ugodjaj skroz. Sto jos gore ume da bude, neki od njih hoce da ubace tu kao neko retro patinu. Pa npr lik uzme da cita Lavkrefta sa fejk britanskim akcentom, a ovaj bio Amerikanac iz jebenog Providensa.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:21 pm

    Pre skoro dvadeset godina sam kupio audio kasetu (hahahaha) sa naracijom zbirke Kafkinih prica (Metamorfoza i druge pripovetke, cini mi se da je bio naziv). Secam se da je pored Metamorfoze tu bila i pripovetka u Kaznenoj koloniji, i da je narator odradio posao za medalju. I dan danas se setim dela kada komandant prica posetiocu da je bivsi komandant uvek zvao celo selo na izvrsenje smrtne kazne, a da je narocito voleo da u prvi red stavi osnovce, jer je uvek imao na umu decu. Taj naratorov glas kada kaze "he did it for the children" je crni humor par ekselans koji mi uvek izazove osmeh na licu.

    Da se vratimo na topik: ponovo sam procitao CA Blues Mike Oklopa, i potpuno mi je nestvarno da je neko nekad mogao da napise ovakav roman, da ga objavi, i da proda 100 hiljada primeraka. Ej, sto hiljada primeraka za omaz Dzeku Keroaku koji je medj' BHS masama oduvek bio opskurni pisac. Kao da se Marsovac spustio u Srbiju, objavio roman, i nestao. Javlja mi se da je pisac imao nameru da u romanu malo kritikuje americki konzumerizam, dekadenciju i prazan zivot  srednje klase na potezu San Francisko - Los Andjeles, ali jebo ti to, tinejdzer u meni je svaki put imao istu reakciju na procitano: "hocu i ja ovako, za sve pare".


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by паће Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:36 pm

    Само је зрењанински Центродуван (књижаре и трафике) у више наврата набављао ту књигу. Знам по томе што се у списку артикала налазила под шест-седам различитих наслова (са речју „књига“ у наслову и без, ЦА или Ц.А., са размаком, размацима или без, блуес, блуз, бл.).


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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:08 am

    Evoking “embarrassment,” Powell said, was the lowest level of play followed
    by “humiliation” and then “degradation.” She said she hoped to shatter our
    “taboos” and teach us how to take our partners to the parts of their psyche they
    were “most afraid of.” She insisted humiliating and degrading our partner would
    be “empowering” and “healing” for them.

    “There are a lot of people who are black who enjoy race play, who enjoy
    playing a Civil War era slave,” she said. “There are women who have been sexually
    assaulted who really enjoy rape fantasies. There are people who have experienced
    fat shaming who would want their partner in the context of that scene to replicate
    those kinds of things.

    “If I’m playing with my lover, and he tells me I’m a fat, ugly, worthless bitch,
    and as soon as I’m done, he says ‘oh my God, baby, you looked so good in that
    moment, I loved how those tears were streaming down your face, I loved the
    curve of your hip as you turned over, it was so beautiful,’ I get to experience that
    same emotion but I get a very different closure on it. Instead of it sticking to me as
    a little tiny scar, I get to open it back up and heal it.

    “There’s nothing quite so hot as that moment where I’m telling them what a
    filthy mess they are with their tears all over their face and their spit all over theirface and that I just need to show them what a filthy little slut they are, right?” she
    said.

    She asked us to give her words we could use in “humiliation play.”
    She volunteered “Slut. Whore. Bitch. Sissy. Cock-sucker. Fuck kid. Fuck toy.”
    The other students shouted out, worthless, dirty, useless, cunt, anal whore, cum
    dumpster, stupid, dumb, fat, and bad.
    “I find it hot to call someone a stupid, dumb used-up cum dumpster,” Powell
    said.

    She said words should be cleared with a partner. Powell, who was heavyset, said
    she does not, for example, allow her partner to call her fat.
    “But if someone calls me a fuck pig I’m totally into that,” she said, smiling.
    She told us to think of words that work for us.
    “You might be totally into this slut whore cunt thing,” she said. “But sissy and
    cocksucker do not work for you. Or you might super be into cum dumpster but
    anything about animals doesn’t work for you.”
    She said that women can allow themselves to be called “a worthless cunt” and
    still be a feminist.

    “I had done a fantastic humiliation play with this dom [short for the dominant
    partner in a sexual relationship] of mine,” she said. “[In] the scene that we had
    been doing I was so worthless and terrible that I couldn’t even make him cum. So
    he was fucking me in all the ways and I couldn’t make him cum. He kept talking
    about how awful it was that I can’t make him cum. As soon as it was over, he gave
    me a hug and said ‘you have no idea how hard it was to not cum. The second you
    slipped out of me I was on the edge fighting the entire scene. You were so hot. It
    was so amazing.’

    “If they said something that sticks with you, like you’re too stupid to even
    figure out how to suck their dick,” she advised, “you can ask them—I worry
    sometimes that I’m not very good at cock sucking. Can you tell them they did a
    good job? That’s okay. It’s your job, as a top, to say you are amazing at sucking my
    cock.”

    She told us military veterans gravitated to BDSM. Powell spent five years in the
    army.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:17 am

    Then, as soon as it had struck twelve, he turned sulky, shirked Us work, stole wine, and finally crowned all by loafing about openly with a pipe in his mouth.

    to je ono kad je poceo da mrzi ceo svet...
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    Post by bela maca Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:37 am

    Летећи Полип wrote:
    prilično simplifikovano rekla bih.
    fetiši su prilično nasumični, i nema puno smisla racionalizovati ih.


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    Post by ćaća Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:24 am

    Uh ne znam
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    Post by ćaća Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:40 am

    Iz ličnog iskustva i iskustva nekih ljudi koje poznajem, trauma znacajno oblikuje seksualni identitet.
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    Post by ćaća Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:42 am

    I ja ovo opisao ne bih nazvao fetisima (quirky things that spice things up), vec nekakvom skoro bazicnom seksualnom arhitekturom
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    Post by ćaća Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:43 am

    Polipe, koja je knjiga (ili clanak)?
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    Post by bela maca Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:25 pm

    ćaća wrote:Iz ličnog iskustva i iskustva nekih ljudi koje poznajem, trauma znacajno oblikuje seksualni identitet.
    za gomilu ljudi, da, ali ne obavezno. inače bi svet bio pun žena koje traže da ih neko kontrolisano zlostavlja šta čitate? - Page 33 1399639816


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