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Ima nešto u lepo u kupovini preko Bandcampa. Ono kad ti član benda lično pošalje poruku da će disk da ti kasni jer je potražnja velika, a ona to sve radi iz svoje kujne. I onda fino lepo dobiješ kovertu lično poslatu i potpisanu, i obeleženu kao gift.
Samo što je kurtija ona socijalna kartonska, umesto platične, i ne ide sveščica, ali šta ćeš...
Ima nešto toplo, intimno i komunističko u tome.
Samo što je kurtija ona socijalna kartonska, umesto platične, i ne ide sveščica, ali šta ćeš...
Ima nešto toplo, intimno i komunističko u tome.
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Why Is The Obscure B-Side “Harness Your Hopes” Pavement’s Top Song On Spotify? It’s Complicated.
Sounding Board November 17, 2020 1:31 PM By Nate Rogers
A couple years ago, Stephen Malkmus walked into a shop and didn’t recognize himself. He was with one of his daughters, stopping at a gluten-free bakery (“Very Portland,” Malkmus jokes) when the Pavement song “Harness Your Hopes” came on — a song he had written and recorded more than two decades prior while leading the band. The guitar-playing that was choogling over the speakers was partially his own, but in the few moments before the vocals kicked in, his brain couldn’t place it.
“At first I thought, ‘Oh, they’re playing “Tumbling Dice” by Rolling Stones,’” he remembers now, over the phone. “Then it was playing and I thought, ‘Well, this is a cool place.’ Little did I know it was just on Spotify or something.”
At that point, the track was still a deep cut — a B-side recorded during the sessions for 1997’s Brighten The Corners, but not released until 1999, when it was thrown onto the CD-only Spit On A Stranger EP, a detail so remote that even Malkmus had forgotten about it until he was reminded. The song remained one that only the real heads knew until 2008, when it was included on Matador’s expanded reissue of Brighten The Corners, alongside a large amount of the extra material recorded for that album by producer/engineers Mitch Easter and Bryce Goggin. It was then that the castoff song began its new life, slowly becoming a minor fan favorite — a single-worthy non-album track that indicated just how rich the band’s discography was. A curveball to put on a mix and raise an eyebrow. The type that a bakery employee might sneak onto the work playlist as a subtle way to class the joint up.
But then something bizarre happened: In the last few years, the song has rocketed up to become number one on Pavement’s Spotify page, ending up with over 28 million plays to date, seven million more than “Cut Your Hair,” a legitimate and enduring ’90s hit. Quickly, and without any obvious reason, it stopped being a rarity and started to become a standard, appearing in coffee shops and bars and gluten-free bakeries. So how did this happen, exactly? And better yet, should this have happened?
Online, people have been casually wondering this on places like Reddit and Twitter, with a prevailing theory being that the song must have been featured on a prominent Spotify playlist, and then simply snowballed from there. Malkmus himself was under this impression, too: “I heard it was on a playlist or something,” he says, nonchalant. “I’m not an expert on Spotify but, you know, one of those ‘Monday Moods’ or whatever the fuck they do.”
It’s a reasonable enough explanation. But looking at a similar situation of his own, Damon Krukowski wasn’t so sure. The musician and writer was fascinated with the question of how “Strange” became his former band Galaxie 500’s top Spotify track — by a significant margin — even though it was not a single, was never particularly popular in the past, and wasn’t being picked up on any prominent playlists. In June of 2018, Krukowski laid out the conundrum on his blog, and soon he received a possible explanation from a Spotify employee.
Glenn McDonald, who holds the title of “data alchemist” at Spotify, had taken an interest in the case, and decided to look into it. What he found is that the sudden jump in plays for “Strange” began in January of 2017, which was “the same time Spotify switched the ‘Autoplay’ preset in every listener’s preference panel from off, to on,” as Krukowski recounted on a follow-up blog post. McDonald explained to Krukowski that the Autoplay feature actually cues up music that “resembles” what you’ve just been listening to, based on a series of sonic signifiers too complex to describe. In this case, “Strange” had been algorithmically determined to sound similar to a lot of other music, and was frequently being Autoplayed to the point that it took on a life of its own, and eventually eclipsed the band’s other tracks. It continues to do so to this day.
“He called me up because of that blog post,” Krukowski explains, on the phone from his home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, “and said he got really interested in it as an engineering problem, ’cause he thought I had pinpointed something they hadn’t realized. Like, because you switch these things in the program, it’s the butterfly effect — who knows what’s gonna result?”
More simply put, Spotify appears to have the capacity to create “hits” without even realizing it. When it comes to Galaxie 500, “there’s just no way this would have happened before this flip in the Spotify plays,” Krukowksi notes. “And now we’re becoming identified as a band with that song, because if they learn about the band through Spotify, that’s what they’re hearing. So it becomes, like, our emblem.”
Krukowski was convinced, but for his part, McDonald wanted to remain clinical in his diagnosis, waiting to look at more information before making any final judgment as to what was going on with the Autoplay feature at large. If he’s still looking for fresh examples to consider, anyway, “Harness Your Hopes” would be an ideal place to start.
Beyond it being a similar situation, broadly speaking — another touchstone alternative rock band from the ’80s/’90s with an inexplicable #1 song — the story also features a detail likely too specific to be coincidental: Using the Wayback Machine, it can be confirmed that “Harness Your Hopes” was nowhere to be seen on the popular tracks section of Pavement’s Spotify page until — you guessed it — 2017, when it suddenly jumped to the top. (Spotify doesn’t disclose more detailed information about artists’ streaming numbers beyond the playcount that’s publicly visible.)
When requested, Spotify declined to provide an interview with McDonald, nor with anyone else who would be able to speak to the Autoplay function and how it may or may not be fueling a phenomenon like this. But they did confirm “the accuracies of Glenn’s statements” as they appear on Krukowski’s blog, and left it at that.
Speaking from Switzerland, where she’s a visiting scholar at Basel University, Dr. Maria Eriksson is used to not getting much hard information to work with from Spotify. She co-authored a book on the company, 2019’s Spotify Teardown, which investigated the streaming giant and their algorithms to the degree that Spotify’s legal department eventually sent them a cease-and-desist notice. After logging on to a Zoom call, she listens to the “Harness Your Hopes”/”Strange” saga with enthusiasm, but no surprise.
“What I find interesting about this story is that, from my research perspective, it really shows the power and influence that these music recommendation systems have,” she says. “But it is also extremely difficult to know how these systems work, and I think the only people who can answer that would be the engineers working at these companies, like Spotify. We’re not even sure if these people could answer why or how a recommendation system works as well, because they’re usually pretty complex things we’re dealing with here.”
Krukowski, who is one of the organizers of Justice At Spotify — a new protest campaign demanding a higher artist royalty rate, among other things — isn’t all that concerned with the Autoplay situation, at least in the ways that it might be screwing with artists’ top songs. But he is concerned with the ways that incidental algorithmic designs have industry-wide power: “It’s just kind of stifling to have that amount of control, and have it in one company,” he says. “And then not only that, but to have it made by engineering decisions. This is very consistent with a lot of our culture right now, that we’re willing to surrender to Facebook and Google engineers very important decisions.”
In this specific instance, there’s certainly a case to be made that Autoplay might actually be doing a service to the songs that it unintentionally favors — that it might be providing something valuable and unprecedented by plucking tracks from the depths and giving them the possibility of a second chance. Optimistically speaking, the algorithm could be mathematically figuring out which songs people are prone to like, regardless of how well they fared commercially in the first place.
And that squares up with the case of “Harness Your Hopes,” since it was a song that was left off Brighten The Corners for no good reason, according to Malkmus. He says that after the band recorded it, they spliced out a bit of tape to shorten the waltzing part that ends the chorus (when Malkmus sings, “Minds wide open, truly”) — a change that ultimately soured him on including the track on the album.
“It’s better, I like it, it’s cool that we did that, it’s old-school or whatever,” he says of the analog adjustment. “But it sounded wrong to me or something, and I was like, ‘That’s a B-side.’ It’s terrible, too — nobody told me! I guess I was such a boss, and maybe nobody thought I would listen. Usually Scott [‘Spiral Stairs’] Kannberg or something was really good at telling me, ‘That’s a good song,’ [like he did with the Slanted And Enchanted single] ‘Summer Babe.’ So it should have been on the record. I’m just saying that’s my mistake.”
Now, and likely forever, “Harness Your Hopes” has moved beyond the Spotify phenomenon to become one of the definitive Pavement tracks across all platforms — Apple Music, YouTube, etc. It’s even been having a moment on TikTok lately, to the degree that Malkmus’s 15-year-old daughter recently saw it in a post and gave him the news that it was blowing up, kinda. “She was like, ‘It’s trending, but in a certain way, not in a big way,’” he laughs, dryly.
It’s hard not to see the zombified success of the song as being anything but for the best, because in this case it really is a great Pavement track — one that captures the essence of the band accurately and deeply, filled with classic Malkmus-isms, like the quintessentially self-referential, Dadaist line, “Show me a word that rhymes with Pavement / And I won’t kill your parents and roast them on a spit.” (Honorable mention: “Nun is to church as the parrot is to perch.”)
But as Krukowski noted when he first learned about Autoplay’s influence, there is a potentially troubling implication to watch out for, too, depending on how it’s actually been working: “‘Strange’ is a touch faster, louder, with a more regular backbeat and a more predictable song structure than most Galaxie 500 songs,” he pointed out on his blog. “Might an unintended result of Autoplay, then, be the separating out and rewarding of the most ‘normal’ songs in each band’s catalogue…? … As albums are increasingly supplanted by playlists, and intentional listening of all kinds is increasingly replaced by algorithmic recommendations, ‘Play Galaxie 500’ may really come to mean, ‘Play the song by Galaxie 500 that most resembles songs by others.’”
Spotify further complicated the Autoplay situation with a bombshell development on Nov. 2: At some point in the near future, they’ll be rolling out a service that allows artists and labels to “identify music that’s a priority for them” within the Autoplay and Radio algorithms, in exchange for a “promotional recording royalty rate” applied to streams acquired through the new program. Spotify views this as an opportunity for creators to have “more opportunities to connect with new listeners.” But some, like Krukowski, view the move as a way for the company to simply pay less money out to songs that are doing well via the algorithms organically, like “Strange” and “Harness Your Hopes.” Even worse, some view it as a new version of streaming payola.
“No doubt, there are sinister aspects to it,” Malkmus says of the cautious reading that Spotify might be promoting more neutral songs in artists’ libraries — to say nothing of the new tiered-royalty Autoplay adjustment, which was announced after the interviews for this story took place. “But it’s nothing that I feel that we’re surprised at anymore.”
Malkmus tends to speak like he sings — with thoughts coming out intelligently but not linearly, observations firing left and right, occasionally bleak, regularly sarcastic, often hilarious. But sometimes he’s also just totally frank, and in the context of a conversation about tech company secrecy and unknowableness, it’s refreshing to hear.
“I guess when you win you’re a little bit happy about it,” he shrugs, when asked what it feels like to have a song blow up out of nowhere, without even trying. “I think that’s probably how everyone feels, from a SoundCloud rapper to somebody like me. At this point we take what we can get, even in a debased form. Because what’s left?”
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Burundi... opskurno udruženje 20ak levičarskih intelektualaca, kojima je fetiš odbrana poniženih i uvredjenih.
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U Zagrebu na jezeru Bundek , ljeti 2000 i neke održavala se kulturno-glazbena manifestacija pod pokroviteljstvom koncertne direkcije. Šareni višednevni program rastezao se odklasičara i opernih arija, do pop i rock grupa i izvođača. Ja sam bio angažiran oko bendova, ali sam osim njih predložio i vokalnu divu Josipu Lisac. Nazvao sam je: "Dobar dan, gospođo Josipa, na liniji je Boris Leiner. Kako ste?" "Sjajno, evo baš sam noćas sanjala Karla", reče ona. "Ma blago Vama...! Nego, ako ste slobodni i raspoloženi za nastup uživo na jezeru Bundek. Radi se o glazbenom festivalu. Bit će velika, plutajuća pozornica“.
"Daa, a kako ste to zamislili?" ljubopitljivo će Josipa. "Pa Vi bi bili centralna točka programa na vodi", nastojao sam zvučati entuzijastično. "Gledajte, gospon Leiner, moj nastup treba biti jedan prezens, ekstravagantan i maštovit. Recimo, da iz mraka jezera do bine dopliva veliki kit i onda otvori svoja ogromna usta, iz kojih izlazim ja pod svjetlom reflektora." "Mmhm, jasno mi je. Evo, čim ulovimo kita, javim Vam se".
Ne znam da li iz naivnosti ili poštenja, ali Leiner bez ikakvog uzdržavanja koristi dvije riječi, pridjev i imenicu koji su u Hrvatskoj - tu gdje je izašla knjiga dakle – pravi, i jedini istinski, krajnji tabu i traumatsko mjesto. Tamo gdje se ubiše da na svaki zamislivi način pokušaju zaobići jednu riječ i jedan pojam, do paroksizma, do nevoljne i bijedne komičnosti i uz trajni grijeh anakroničnosti, Leiner bez straha i historijski jedino ispravno piše: „jugoslavenski (bendovi)“, „jugoslavenska turneja“, „u Jugoslaviji“...
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Artan Lili vs Repetitor
Bojan vs Boris
Ko je koga ogovarao? Ko je koliko dao za opremu? Ko je sipao vrelu kafu za vrat? Ko je doveo ekipu?
A ima i diss track.
Ja za ovo nisam znao pa mi je bilo super.
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Bojan vs Boris
Ko je koga ogovarao? Ko je koliko dao za opremu? Ko je sipao vrelu kafu za vrat? Ko je doveo ekipu?
A ima i diss track.
Ja za ovo nisam znao pa mi je bilo super.
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Čuo je na radiju u autu, odlično mi je legla u tom trenutku, bolje nego da su pustili original. Naknadno saznam da je otpjevao Aca Seltik, nisam ga prepoznao.
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moj omiljeni muzicki bloger objasnjava autosovinizam sa svojom profilnom slikom na bandcamp-u. sto je najgore iz njegovih tekstova cesto pomislim da je tako neko tog nivoa blentavosti i autizma (lik ima postove tipa: eeee nasao sam sudanski film na YT, copy-pastuje sinopsis i postavi ga ), ali ovaj odmak mi je bio dosta reassuring (da ne kazem, potreban !) u smislu da on tu blentavost umnogome sam hini.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Lenhart Tapes ima crowdfunding za prvu plojku?
nije neka cifra, ali kako god, srećno sa tim...
https://www.crowdify.net/en/project/lenhart-tapes-goes-vinyl
nije neka cifra, ali kako god, srećno sa tim...
https://www.crowdify.net/en/project/lenhart-tapes-goes-vinyl
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well hopefully crowdfunding se nece oduziti koliko snimanje i miksanje (nemoj da me drzis za rec al mislmi da su 2 godine miksali)
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nisi valjda tek sad otkrio hrišćanski rok?
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Ma jesam. Nego nisam znao da je ovako dobro.
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Sad možeš da predjes na hrišćanski pank, ili ako si baš avanturistički nastrojen, hrišćanski ska
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Najjaci je ovaj podzanr sa trbuhozborcima i lutkama.
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Мени је непрежаљено што је кришна кор изумро
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Francuski šljem Satana Panonskog (Ivice Čuljka) prije dosta godina pronađen na otpadu među drugim šljemovima koji su dopremljeni iz Slavonije, prodaje se kakav je nađen, bez ikakvih intervencija na šljemu.
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mada nije baš da će Sotheby da proverava autentičnost šlema...
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San Saba Songbird wrote:mada nije baš da će Sotheby da proverava autentičnost šlema...
Ima još uvijek živih svjedoka koji pamte kako je izgledao. Sad se pitam da li je negdje sačuvan i crveni fes koji je nosio
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wowfikret hadžiabdić wrote:Francuski šljem Satana Panonskog (Ivice Čuljka) prije dosta godina pronađen na otpadu među drugim šljemovima koji su dopremljeni iz Slavonije, prodaje se kakav je nađen, bez ikakvih intervencija na šljemu.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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