Syriza ftw
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desnica ko desnica. sto kaze sartr: svi anti-komunisti su psi.
mada je gotivim pse
mada je gotivim pse
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Ali njihova je naslonjena na evropsku to jest na realno, dok naša rešava rusku kvadraturu kruga.
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votdafakis u gardijanu - zasto sam (eroticni) marksista
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/18/yanis-varoufakis-how-i-became-an-erratic-marxist?CMP=fb_gu
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/18/yanis-varoufakis-how-i-became-an-erratic-marxist?CMP=fb_gu
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B92 wrote:Iako je kategorički odbijala takvu mogućnost, a na tome zasnivala i celokupnu predizbornu i postizbornu logiku, grčka vlada ipak je pristala da EU, ECB i MMF ostanu supervizori tokom trajanja produžetka programa pomoći u trajanju od pola godine.
Produžetak programa pomoći Grkoj bi omogućio dodatno vreme za izradu novog finansijski nerestriktivnog programa reformi.
U pismu upućenom predsedniku Evrogrupe, koji je objavio Gardijan, ministar finansija Grčke Janis Varufakis traži postizanje dogovora o prihvatljivim finansijskim i administrativnim uslovima sprovođenja produženog sporazuma, koji će stabilizovati grčku fiskalnu poziciju i garantovati održivost grčkog duga.
Uz niz uslova u vezi sa produžetkom programa pomoći, Varufakis traži i dogovor tehničkih timova o mogućem novom sporazum za oporavak i rast između Grčke, Evrope i MMF-a.
Varufakis je na sastanku sa šefom Evrogrupe Jerunom Dejselblumom, s kojim razgovara o uslovima paketa pomoći, 30. januara izjavio da Grčka vlada neće sarađivati s trojkom (MMF, ECB i EK), niti će tražiti produženje programa finansijske pomoći.
Tog stava se držao i nakon sastanka sa ministrom finansija Nemačke Volfgangom Šojbleom.
Holandski ministar finansija i predsednik evrogrupe, Jerun Dajselblum, potvrdio je da je Grčka zatražila šestomesečno produženje programa finansijske pomoći, ali nije izneo detalje o uslovima koje je Atina zatražila.
"Primili smo zahtev Atine za šestomesečno produženje programa pomoći", napisao je Dajselblum na svom Tviter nalogu, prenosi Rojters.
Međunarodni kreditori zahtevali su od nove grčke vlade da produži postojeći program pomoći, ali je zvanična Atina u više navrata odbila takav poziv, navodeći da će tražiti drugačiji kreditni aranžman.
Razmimoilaženje u stavovima u pogledu uslova finansijske podrške Grčkoj veliki je kamen spoticanja u pregovorima između Grčke i preostalih članica evrozone, zbog čega je čak i ostanak Grčke u monetarnoj uniji doveden u pitanje.
Toliko o tome...
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Izgleda. Pristanak na nadzor Trojke je veoma zajeban ustupak i nisam ga očekivao.
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Svejedno.
Berlinu ovo nije dovoljno.
Berlinu ovo nije dovoljno.
The German Government has rejected the Greek government’s request for a 6 month extension of the country’s loan agreement with its creditors.
According to reports by the the German and the French news agencies, Berlin believes that the Greek proposal doesn’t offer any substantial solution.
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Sad preneo Prospero tamo da nemacka centralna banka predlaze capital control za Grcku.
Gaze ih dok leze. Ne valja ovo nista.
Gaze ih dok leze. Ne valja ovo nista.
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U Evropi šok i neverica. Niko nije očekivao ovo divljaštvo Berlina dan pred emergency meeting.
Britanski mediji mahom pootvarali live blogove.
Britanski mediji mahom pootvarali live blogove.
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Nemačka se, kažu petparački listovi, ponosno i hrabro suprotstavila višestruko slabijem protivniku.
Sve je moja baba bila u pravu.
Sve je moja baba bila u pravu.
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+1000
Merkel je zlo.
Merkel je zlo.
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Ali dobro je ovo, nek govna pokažu kolika su govna. Hahaha, Radule predlagao da se lepo dogovore, haha, jbt.
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All we are saying is give Greece a chance
The European Union’s demand that Greece continue with the catastrophic austerity policies of the past five years flies in the face of democracy and sound economics. The Greek people in democratic elections decisively rejected these policies, which have led to a 26% shrinking of the economy, 27% unemployment and 40% of the population on the poverty line. A continuation of austerity will jeopardise the future of the EU and betray principles of democracy, prosperity and solidarity. It risks fuelling the rise of extreme anti-democratic forces in Greece and elsewhere. We urge the European leadership to respect the decision of the Greek people and to give the new government breathing space to reverse the humanitarian crisis and start the necessary reconstruction of the country’s devastated economy.
Costas Douzinas, Jacqueline Rose, Giorgio Agamben, Slavoj Zizek, Lynne Segal, Gayatri Spivak, Etienne Balibar, Judith Butler, Jean-Luc Nancy, Chantal Mouffe, David Harvey, Eric Fassin, Joanna Bourke, Immanuel Wallerstein, Wendy Brown, Sandro Mezzadra, Marina Warner, Drucilla Cornell
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hazard, on 19 Feb 2015 - 14:07, said: wrote:Vreme je za nuclear option. Grcka treba da kaze
1) Sami uvodimo kontrolu kapitala u nasim bankama zbog moguceg bankrota, i to radimo bez supervizije ECB
2) Bankrot je izvestan
3) Ne izlazimo iz evrozone jer bi to za nas bilo previse stresno, a vi nemate mehanizam da nas izbacite, a ako pokusate tuzicemo vas evropskom sudu
4) Ne brinemo za ostale problematicne drzave u evrozoni - Italiju, Spaniju, Portugaliju i Irsku - i smatramo da one treba da urade isto sto i mi, tj. pokazacemo da je to i za njih bolja opcija od trenutnog stanja
Hvala dovidjenja
Prenosim hazardov odličan post. Dodao bih samo da je vreme da se aktiviraju sve moguće najgore propagandne strategije protiv Nemačke, tipa: još jednom, Nemačka razara mir u Evropi, itsl. Ovo je dno, jbt. Zemlja koja se nakon rata koji je sama skrivila, obnovila jedino zahvaljujući stravičnoj pomoći sa strane sad šutira bednike na ovaj način jer su, jebiga, krivi što sus eprezadužili. Pa sve i da jesu isključivo oni krivi, vi ste izazvlai jebeni svetski rat!
Besan sam kao ris.
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William Murderface wrote:
Prenosim hazardov odličan post. Dodao bih samo da je vreme da se aktiviraju sve moguće najgore propagandne strategije protiv Nemačke, tipa: još jednom, Nemačka razara mir u Evropi, itsl. Ovo je dno, jbt. Zemlja koja se nakon rata koji je sama skrivila, obnovila jedino zahvaljujući stravičnoj pomoći sa strane sad šutira bednike na ovaj način jer su, jebiga, krivi što sus eprezadužili. Pa sve i da jesu isključivo oni krivi, vi ste izazvlai jebeni svetski rat!
Besan sam kao ris.
A da se izvuku iz govana i zaostavštine rata omogućio im je upravo otpis dugova kakav oni sada odbijaju da naprave drugima.
Nisu oni budale, mi smo.
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Pa budale su, moj Filipe, ovo otvara vrlo ozbiljnu mogućnost raspada EU. Neće biti pobednika.
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Не видим зашто би се стављао знак једнакости између централне банке и земље/државе јој. ЦБ су независне од земље и владе, а зависне од ММФа и светске банке и ко су већ њихови власници.
Тј ови мало туђим курцем глогиње млате. Ако се држе тврдо, сви мрзе Немце. Ако попусте, онда има Немци да плаћају. Никад нису криви банкари.
Тј ови мало туђим курцем глогиње млате. Ако се држе тврдо, сви мрзе Немце. Ако попусте, онда има Немци да плаћају. Никад нису криви банкари.
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Syriza will have to choose between Scylla and Charybdis
by Jerome Roos on February 19, 2015Greece’s leftist government will soon have to confront a critical question: will it accept its creditors’ demands, or will it take unilateral action?In Homer’s epic Odyssey, the Greek king Odysseus of Ithaca was forced to navigate a narrow strait between the mythical sea monsters Scylla and Charybdis. As it was impossible to steer a clear course between the two, avoiding the one inevitably meant confronting the other. Eventually, Homer’s hero opted to avoid the whirlpool of Charybdis — which could easily have swallowed his ship whole — and pass by the six-headed monster Scylla instead. After putting up a strong fight, Odysseus lost a number of sailors but saved his ship.Today, Greece’s young leftist government finds itself on the horns of a similar dilemma. On the one hand, it stares into the whirlpool of a deflationary debt trap that risks swallowing Greek society whole, confining its impoverished and exasperated citizens to decades of debt servitude. On the other, it faces the eighteen-headed monster of the Eurogroup — with the German finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble at its center — which insists on smashing Syriza’s radical experiment and making an example of the leftists by ejecting them from the eurozone if they refuse to stay the disastrous course of austerity.This epic standoff between tiny Greece and its mighty creditors has trapped the Syriza-led government between a rock and a hard place. While its defiant rhetoric and first moves have energized Greek society and raised popular expectations to unprecedented highs, this same defiance has angered the country’s creditors and united Europe’s “extreme center” in a desperate bid to contain the fall-out of the Syriza phenomenon. Rapidly closing ranks to prevent the leftists from setting a positive precedent, the creditors’ message is clear: inside the eurozone, there can be no alternative to austerity and repayment.And so the “frenzy of reasonableness” that Greece’s oracular finance minister Yanis Varoufakis had pledged to unleash now appears to be hitting the wall of German intransigence. Reality is dawning: either Syriza faces down the Eurogroup to defend its radical project, or it capitulates and drifts back into the debt-deflationary spiral. After Monday’s emergency talks collapsed in acrimony, Eurogroup Chairman Jeroen Dijsselbloem added an ultimatum to make Syriza’s options even more explicit: if the government does not accept an unconditional extension of the existing program by the end of the week, Greece will be cut off from further credit by February 28.Since Greece remains dependent on foreign financing to service its outstanding obligations and fight the deep humanitarian crisis at home, this would put the leftists in the awkward position of having to choose between honoring their obligations to foreign creditors, who expect the debt to be repaid in full and who continue to insist on strict fiscal discipline, or honoring their obligations to Greek pensioners and civil servants, who have collectively pinned their hopes on Syriza’s pledges to defy the creditors and put an end to the disastrous austerity measures. In a word, repaying one will require defaulting on the other.This Homeric dilemma is in turn forcing Syriza to confront a long-standing internal rift among party cadres over the relative merits of unilateral action versus multilateral negotiation. Syriza’s moderate leadership, which according to central committee member Stathis Kouvelakis has steadily distanced itself from the party base in recent years, remains committed to the euro and aims to reform its fiscal and monetary architecture. Inspired by Keynesian visions of demand management and public investment, Tsipras and Varoufakis hope to wield the utter failure of austerity as a wedge to transform Europe as a whole. They also refuse to take unilateral action.But not everyone inside Syriza shares this “good euro” vision. The party’s radical internal opposition — the so-called Left Platform — holds a very different view, insisting that Greece should keep all its weapons on the table, including the threat of unilateral default and a “progressive exit” from the eurozone. The Left Platform, in other words, would like to see Syriza face down Scylla to avoid Charybdis, defying the Eurogroup to save the ship and evade a lethal debt-deflationary spiral inside the monetary union. Even if it comes at a high price, the radicals argue that this approach will pay off in the long-term.Inspired in part by the analyses of SOAS economist Costas Lapavitsas, who is now a Syriza MP, the Left Platform has a more pessimistic analysis of power relations within the monetary union. Unlike the party leadership and finance minister Varoufakis, Lapavitsas believes that continued eurozone membership will sink Syriza’s radical project before the leftists even get a chance to hoist their sails or raise their weapons. The internal opposition therefore intends to wield what they consider to be the inevitable failure of the debt negotiations as a wedge to progressively pull Greece out of the euro.It is safe to say, then, that the fault-lines of the eurozone power struggle extend into the top ranks of the Greek government, with the Left Platform constantly exerting pressure on the party leadership to abide by its radical project. This explains the tricky balancing act that Tsipras has been engaging in this week. The prime minister knows that he cannot be seen to capitulate to his creditors and backtrack on his campaign pledges in his first weeks in office. Domestically, he has to appease the Left Platform and stick to his defiant anti-creditor stance, which has sent the leftists soaring to an absolute majority in the polls.At the same time, however, it is becoming increasingly clear that the political economic analyses of Lapavitsas and the Left Platform are turning out to be disturbingly accurate: it is simply proving impossible to steer a clear course between meaningful debt cancellation, on the one hand, and multilateral negotiations on the other. To put it bluntly, Germany and its allies are just not interested in negotiating a debt restructuring or a meaningful easing of Greece’s repayment terms. Their entire strategy is based on being as unreasonable as possible and not granting Syriza a single inch of leeway.This tough creditor stance appears to be intended purely to torpedo Syriza’s progressive program, which is based on the notion that both Scylla and Charybdis can be avoided and Greece and its foreign creditors will arrive at a common solution that benefits all. Yet even if this win-win scenario would indeed be the optimal outcome from a game theoretical point of view, it is proving to be unacceptable to the Germans from a political point of view. For this reason, Syriza’s leadership will soon find itself forced to choose between the demands of its creditors and the demands of its citizens and internal opposition.The bottom-line is that Germany and its allies do not seem intent on letting Greece off the hook. The reasons for this are clear. If the country’s anti-austerity government were to set a successful precedent of debtor defiance, Podemos in Spain would certainly be next — and who knows what other claimants would step forward if the Greeks managed to have their debts reduced? It is therefore safe to say that Greece now finds itself at a crossroads: either it faces down the eighteen-headed monster of the Eurogroup by unilaterally defaulting, or it will respect Germany’s outrageous demands, stick to the rules of the eurozone and continue to service its unsustainable debts.Needless to say, both courses of action would come at a very high price for both Greece and Europe. Still, a costly standoff with Scylla will be the only way to avoid a deadly dance with Charybdis. Without default and exit, Greece will be sucked into the whirlpool of a deflationary debt trap for decades to come. Sooner or later the left-led government will therefore be compelled to choose between a progressive experiment outside the euro or a painful defeat within it. As the heroes of Greek antiquity knew well, there can be no glory without struggle — and no victory without sacrifice. Greece must now choose its path.Jerome Roos is a PhD researcher in International Political Economy at the European University Institute and founding editor of ROAR Magazine. Follow him on Twitter @JeromeRoos. This article was written for TeleSUR English.
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паће wrote:Не видим зашто би се стављао знак једнакости између централне банке и земље/државе јој. ЦБ су независне од земље и владе, а зависне од ММФа и светске банке и ко су већ њихови власници.
Тј ови мало туђим курцем глогиње млате. Ако се држе тврдо, сви мрзе Немце. Ако попусте, онда има Немци да плаћају. Никад нису криви банкари.
Pa znak jednakosti jer u ovom slučaju zemlja tvrdo stoji iza interesa svojih bankara. A naravno da Nemci trebaju da plaćaju. Gazda Urlih je gazda Kostasu davao silnu kintu na lepe oči, a sada Kostasov sin nema odakle to da vraća. Urlih je odgovoran jer je ovoga tovario dok je mogao, nadajući se da će posle živeti od kamata koje mu ovaj vraća, to je vrlo prosta stvar.
Naravno, ovde je sve otišlo predaleko jer se nemačka država vrlo izraženo angažovala u pritiskanju drugih za račun sopstvenih bankara umesto da poverioc trpi posledice neodgovorne politike zajedno sa svojim dužnikom.
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Greece: it's this deal or no deal
Reuters says the message from Greece is that eurogroup finance ministers have two options tomorrow - accept the deal it has put on the table or reject it.
- 19-Feb-2015 14:29 - GREEK GOVT SAYS EUROGROUP TOMORROW HAS ONLY TWO OPTIONS, TO EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT OFFER MADE BY GREECE TODAY
- 19-Feb-2015 14:30 - GREEK GOVT SAYS EUROGROUP’S DECISION WILL SHOW WHO WANTS A SOLUTION AND WHO DOES NOT
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William Murderface wrote:+1000
Merkel je zlo.
Merkel je odlican trgovac i racunovodja, ali nula od politicarke. Tako je, vodjena istom pijacnom logikom, uspela i Ukrajinu da gurne u haos, kada je rekla najn Janukovicu, koji je trazio da mu EU kompenzuje gubitke do kojih bi doslo kada bi Ukrajina izgubila trgovinske povlastice u Rusiji.
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