Syriza ftw

Dušan Pavlović @d_pavlovic  ·  Feb 10
O Sirizi i značaju njene pobede za Srbiju. (Od 11:39 pa dokle izdržite) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnWPJqjtO0#t=700 …

Robert Peston ‏@Peston  1h1 hour ago
Greek budget shows tax revenues falling fast, 20% below target, as feared

Mr.Blonde wrote:suficit, deficit...trt-mrt. 

trebalo bi neko da izadje i kaze da spoljna dugovanja svih naZiona, USA included - nije moguće servisirati, tj. otplatiti, te da se dugovi koriste samo kao instrumenti političkog pritiska i dalje eskalacije na liniji odgovorni & stedljivi sever vs. rasipnicki & neradnicki sud.

паће wrote:Да све то има неког утицаја, долар би данас вредео два цента.

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Mr.Blonde wrote:suficit, deficit...trt-mrt. 

trebalo bi neko da izadje i kaze da spoljna dugovanja svih naZiona, USA included - nije moguće servisirati, tj. otplatiti, te da se dugovi koriste samo kao instrumenti političkog pritiska i dalje eskalacije na liniji odgovorni & stedljivi sever vs. rasipnicki & neradnicki sud.

Ту би се тек дало расправљати, јер под 1. позајмљене су паре које ни не постоје. Банке дају на зајам паре које немају (ваљда по принципу Полугајевског, ака левериџа, морају да имају само неки део тога, а и тај део негде позајме), заврну уши неком на власти (нпр породици Папандреу) и успут договоре колики проценат сме да оде на јахту и острво, а онда те паре некако нестану. Нешто се можда и изгради од њих, али свакако не некакав производни капацитет који би омогућио да се паре врате и камата исплати. Сва та лова има чисто психолошку вредност, попут нпр дијаманата.

А и политичку. Пропратити судбине владара и држава које су дугове отплатиле или одбиле да отплаћују. Ако се не варам, ту су Чаушеску, Садам, Аргентина, ваљда и Либија,  а за Русију ми тренутно није најјасније где је по том питању, али ми се чини да су били чак и у Г8 док нису отплатили неке дугове (Париском клубу?) а онда су избачени и кренуло са подгревањем хладног рата.

Сви треба да буду дужни, да би банкари били власници свега.

ficfiric wrote:
Ali, onda bi i dva centa vredela manje sto bi izazvalo smanjenje vrednosti dolara, sto bi ponovo izazvalo smanjenje vrednosti 2 centa, itd. Upao si u beskonacnu petlju

Change the World by Taking Power

Its critics are being proven wrong. Syriza hasn’t been demobilizing movements, but helping them grow.

by David Renton


For those of us who were until recently more sympathetic to Antarsya, the “other” coalition on Greece’s radical left, it is salutary to reflect on how well Syriza has done in the last month, and how poorly Antarsya has done by comparison.
The justification for Antarsya’s separate existence goes something like the following: Antarsya, unlike Syriza, is a coalition of the parties that believe Greece can only be saved by a revolutionary transformation of the state. Syriza, unlike Antarsya, equivocates on this issue, and on the connected questions of whether the Greek government should remain in Europe or whether it should agree to pay any of the debt to its international creditors.
Those who vote for Antarsya are voting for a revolutionary alternative to capitalism and, in so doing, they keep alive the possibility of a revolutionary politics. Syriza, by contrast, is merely reformist, and likely to be every bit as shabby in government as Pasok and other social-democratic parties.
In the last election, Antarsya’s vote total was squeezed to just 0.6% since it became a referendum on the possibility of a left-wing government (which most politicized workers want), but by standing Antarsya has kept pressure on Syriza from the left. Its stance outside Syriza has all the benefits of being associated with a rising movement (the sales of Workers’ Solidarity, the newspaper of one of Antarsya’s affiliates, have apparently never been so high), but none of the disadvantages of being associated with Syriza’s defeat, when that disappointment inevitably comes.
Where this justification of Antarsya begins to fall down is with the assumption that the best alternative to a program of reform is to offer a rival program of greater reforms. In this revolutionaries are different from reformists principally in that they ask for more. So Syriza offered Greek nationality to the children of all migrants; and, like a poker player, Antarsya “raised” them by offering to legalize all immigrants in Greece. Syriza said that it would stop all the planned privatizations; Antarsya’s reply was to say it would undo every privatization in Greek history.
But using elections to make revolutionaries is not about outbidding your rival. It involves an explanation both of how any government under capitalism has only limited power, and how those limits can be overcome (only through a direct conflict with the international capitalist class).
It is at this point that Syriza comes across as politically more sophisticated than Antarsya, because it had an analysis of its own limits as a reforming government (the European powers will not allow us to write off more than a small portion of our debt), and an idea of how to get beyond that limit (on the basis of agitation from outside parliament keeping pressure on the government, and on the basis of support from the Left outside Greece).
Insofar as they have a political strategy to deal with the problem of Syriza, Antarysa’s most articulate supporters are hoarding every example of Syriza’s betrayal, and counterposing to them the potential virtues of protest. The openings for a left-wing government in Greece are said to operate solely in relationship to the success of social movements. The reason why the Greeks have Syriza, it follows, while the British left has no mass left alternative to the Labour Party, is that we only had the public sector pension battle while they have had thirty-two general strikes.
But where is the mass movement supposed to come from that will rise in such a direct and continuous fashion that it will be powerful enough to overcome the state? Syriza’s fault is said to be that it, like other reformist governments, is continually conspiring to demobilize the mass movements by telling the workers to vote when they should be protesting.
Yet all of us who are watching Greece can see for ourselves — admittedly only in its first two weeks, and so far during a honeymoon period — that Syriza has not been demobilizing the movements, but instead opening new possibilities for them to emerge: by taking down the barriers outside parliament, with the demonstrations in support of their attempts to renegotiate the debt, and by the propaganda of sending ministers around Europe and demanding that the debt be renegotiated.
It’s the parliamentary version of the trade union official you always wanted to have, the one who actually enjoyed a fight with the bosses and did not back down at the first sign of trouble. And people respond to a fighter: so far, the Syriza government is giving further confidence to the social movements.
Subject to the iron law that the global capitalist class has not simply renounced its hegemony in the face of a localized threat, neither will it, and therefore the big battles all lie ahead — Antarsya’s global supporters were wrong, and Syriza’s international admirers were right to challenge them when the former predicted that Syriza would respond to power only by becoming increasingly moderate.
The final assumption that underpins Antarsya’s supporters is that the working class in Greece has an infinite set of opportunities and that if it should miss this one, that would not matter, since at another stage in the future another party would doubtless emerge on the Left, which would be based on different people from different traditions, and would therefore be well placed to carry on the previously absent revolutionary war against the state.
Should Syriza fail, it will not be simply politics as usual. The police and Golden Dawn will be jubilant, and their revenge on the movements will be no more tolerant than the counter-revolution now at work in Egypt. This is an outcome that no socialist should find acceptable.

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ficfiric wrote:
Ali, onda bi i dva centa vredela manje sto bi izazvalo smanjenje vrednosti dolara, sto bi ponovo izazvalo smanjenje vrednosti 2 centa, itd. Upao si u beskonacnu petlju

Да прецизирам, два евроцента или два цента из 1973 или тако нека размера.

Пази, долар се емитује немилице, на билионе - и расте. Да чујем ту економску теорију која то уме да објасни.

Gusztav Vege wrote:

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Пази, долар се емитује немилице, на билионе - и расте. Да чујем ту економску теорију која то уме да објасни.

Dolar ne postoji u vakuumu. Vrednost američke ekonomije danas je veća nego 1973. Novac to pokriva, ne?
A rast je zbog potražnje, to je potpuno jasno.

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Gusztav Vege wrote:

Dolar ne postoji u vakuumu. Vrednost američke ekonomije danas je veća nego 1973. Novac to pokriva, ne?
A rast je zbog potražnje, to je potpuno jasno.

Пази, америчка влада не штампа новац. Она га позајмљује (са унапред урачунатом каматом) од Феда, који је конзорцијум приватних банака, а које ту лову измисле по потреби.

Mr.Blonde wrote:
to ko ga štampa je manje bitno. zapravo, to ko ga pozajmljuje je mnogo bitnije za njegovu vrednost. 

a to rade svi, sve vlade na ovome svetu.

Filipenko wrote:Širom Evrope...minus Nemačka, koja štancuje novac svojim bankarima, i nemačka prćija Hrvatska (NPH).