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Odlično se sećaš. Bio je izvanredno pasivno-agresivan po tom pitanju, kao, "on je oDuStAo", ne mogu dva filma da se prave na jednu temu.
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- U međuvremenu je snimljen film o Jasenovcu i nekako u mojim elementarnim česticama nije bilo dovoljno seratonina za mogućnost delovanja u tom smeru. To je kao i u fudbalu. Jedan ogroman prostor je pokriven da bi se sad u njega uskakalo. Mala je Srbija da bi mogla da ima dve verzije Lakloovih "Opasnih veza" kao što je bilo s kraja osamdesetih kada su dva reditelja napravila filmove o jednom istom romanu - kazao je Kusturica.
On je primetio da je film o Jasenovcu "mnogo ozbiljnija tema nego pravljenje vodoskoka i popločavanje gradskih trgova".
- Ne govorim to da bih izvrgnuo ruglu, nego jednostavno te teme se dogovaraju i realizuju na isti način - istakao je reditelj.
Prema njegovim rečima, da je napravio film o Jasenovcu, on bi sigurno imao veliku promociju. - Ali se možda ne bi uklopio u koncepciju svega onoga što je kod druga Tita bilo 'ne'. Mi živimo u novo vreme druga Tita i Miloša Obrenovića gde se uglavnom svemu što može da bude najbolje i dobro kaže ne. Upravo utoliko je možda dobro da se ja ovim filmom ne bavim - zaključio je Kusturica.
On je primetio da je film o Jasenovcu "mnogo ozbiljnija tema nego pravljenje vodoskoka i popločavanje gradskih trgova".
- Ne govorim to da bih izvrgnuo ruglu, nego jednostavno te teme se dogovaraju i realizuju na isti način - istakao je reditelj.
Prema njegovim rečima, da je napravio film o Jasenovcu, on bi sigurno imao veliku promociju. - Ali se možda ne bi uklopio u koncepciju svega onoga što je kod druga Tita bilo 'ne'. Mi živimo u novo vreme druga Tita i Miloša Obrenovića gde se uglavnom svemu što može da bude najbolje i dobro kaže ne. Upravo utoliko je možda dobro da se ja ovim filmom ne bavim - zaključio je Kusturica.
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I kad izgubim, ja pobedim.
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kusturica je dovoljno inteligentan da razume da je ovo opasna teritorija. pri tome ne mislim na politicki opasnu teritoriju vec da je potreban ogroman umetnicki napor sa neizvestnim ishodom da se isprica jedna takva prica. gagu ne zabrinjava. njemu je osrednjost stratosfera.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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inace kako se ova igra muzickih stolica titoisticke zabrane da se govori o necemu o cemu se sve znalo zahuktava. sad ce jos vucic i gaga da ostanu da stoje kad im emir ugrabi poslednju stolicu.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Летећи Полип wrote:Somlói Galuska wrote:
Haha, mnogo je bolje bilo dati Kusti da napravi taj film, jer ovaj ima bar veštinu da ga kršteno napravi, a zbog čega je uzet Antonijević, e to je naša prejadna priča.
Ah, pa nije Kusta lud da se uvuče u ovakav shitstorm. Mnogo je lakše pljuckati sa svog ostrva, bez preuzimanja ikakve odgovornosti, kao što je bilo sa spomenikom.
jel si to ostrvo rekao metaforicki tipa njegov licni univerzum ili znas da ima kucu na sifnosu, tj imao je pocetkom prosle decenije a onda se prici gubi trag. bas me zanima da li je jos ima s obzirom na kustendorf
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Informer wrote:
https://informer.rs/vesti/drustvo/586123/jasenovac-tesla-hercl-gideon-grajf-emir-kusturica-film
KUSTURICA SNIMA FILM O JASENOVCU, o ubistvu 14 članova porodice Tesla i 13 članova porodice Hercl! POMAGAĆE MU GIDEON GRAJF! E, sad da vidimo, da li je i to srpska propaganda!
Jedan od najpoznatijih istraživača Holokausta Gideon Grajf obećao je slavnom srpskom i svjetskom režiseru Emiru Kusturici da će biti savetnik na njegovom filmu "Jasenovac - balkanski Aušvic". U fokusu ovog filma biti sudbina dve svetski poznate porodice, Tesla i Hercl, te napominje da je u Jasenovcu svirepo ubijeno 14 članova porodice Tesla i 13 članova porodice Hercl
On je rekao da će u tom filmu biti i priča o rabinu Isaku Danielu Danonu, koji je zaklan u Jasenovcu, zajedno sa Vukašinom Mandrapom, koji je proglašen za novomučenika jasenovačkog, a koji je iskasapljen u Jasnovcu 1943. godine, /nakon što je rekao ustaški koji ga je klao: "Samo ti, dijete, radi svoj posao".
Grajf dodaje da će u fokusu ovog filma biti sudbina dve svetski poznate porodice, Tesla i Hercl, te napominje da je u Jasenovcu svirepo ubijeno 14 članova porodice Tesla i 13 članova porodice Hercl.
- Nadam se da će biti snimljeno još mnogo filmova o Jasenovcu i da će uskoro biti realizovan i projekat poznatog hrvatskog reditelja Lordana Zafranovića i Ive Goldštajna iz Jevrejske zajednice u Zagrebu - rekao je Grajf.
On je podsetio da je Svetski jevrejski kongres obratio Vladi Hrvatske sa apelom da zabrani poricanje ustaških zločina, te ocenio da se revizija istorije ne može vršiti i da se Jasenovac zaista dogodio, kao i Aušvic.
- Stoga moramo uložiti sve napore da dokumentujemo zločine koje su počinili nemački nacisti i hrvatske ustaše. Film, kao i književnost, može svijetu doneti istinu…Trebalo bi da snimamo onoliko filmova koliko je potrebno da se Jasenovac i Aušvic nikada ne ponove - rekao je Grajf za "Politiku".
Grajf je istakao da ne sumnja da je Majk Berenbaum, direktor Instituta "Zigi Ciring" sa Američkog jevrejskog univerziteta, gde je radio kao profesor jevrejskih studija, napravio solidno istraživanje, kako bi bio savetnik za tako delikatnu temu kao što je film "Dara iz Jasenovca" Predraga Gage Antonijevića.
On je naveo da ustaške metode mučenja i ubijanja možda danas izgledaju kao „izmišljene priče" ili „naučna fantastika", koje čak ni Alfred Hičkok ili Stiven Spilberg ne bi mogli izmisliti, ali da su surovo varvarstvo pogubljenja, ubistava, klanja i mučenja bili istinski užas svakodnevice u Jasenovcu, kao što je to bilo i u Aušvicu.
Grajf je predložio da neki filmski reditelj pretoči u film i stvarnu životnu priču istaknute hrvatske glumice Božidarke Frajt, rođene kao Božidarka Grublješić u porodici etničkih Srba u BiH, čiji je identitet zapravo bio srpski, a koja je „usvojena" u doba ustaškog režima, dok je pravi identitet od nje skrivan decenijama.
- Poput "Dare iz Jasenovca", ta priča o Božidarki Frajt mogla bi biti tema filma "Božidarka sa Kozare i Siska". Upoznao sam i preživelu decu iz logora Jasenovac i Jastrebarsko. Svaka priča o deci logorašima zaslužuje barem jedan film - istakao je Grajf.
On je rekao da i Austrijanka Diana Budisavljević, koja je spasla 12.000 srpske dece iz Jasenovca, zaslužuje da se o njoj snimi dobar film, što bi mogao da uradi neki austrijski, mađarski, srpski, hrvatski ili američki režiser.
- Bitne su istorijske činjenice, Jasenovac nije bio "turističko letovalište", nego logor za istrebljenje i to se nikakvim protestima ne može "isprati", kao ni protestovati zbog utvrđenih istorijskih činjenica.To je kao da ponovo ubijamo žrtve i opravdavamo ustaške zločine protiv čovečnosti - istakao je Grajf.
Sto se tice Antonijevicevog filma, o njemu se pricalo i kod crnog Bujketa. Pricalo se i o Jasenovcu, prostor je dobio i mladi matematicar koji je izracunao da je broj ubijenih netacan a pohvalu za svoje izjave je dobio i jedan Srbijanac - Bojan Dimitrijevic.
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Gde je to za Bojanceta?
Mislim na kom minutu otpr
Mislim na kom minutu otpr
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Na 24:50 a matematicar je na 17:30
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Evo za nedavno prizivani film klub topik.
PREMIJERA „DARE IZ JASENOVCA“: Ekskluzivno 20. februara na RTS-u!
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Međuopštinski pustolov.
Zli stolar.
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Matematicar raskrinkao srpske lazi metodom TVOR!
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Ako Srbin laze, Tvor ne laze
Inace, pricalo se i srbosjeku, zapravo je to poljoprivredna alatka
Inace, pricalo se i srbosjeku, zapravo je to poljoprivredna alatka
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Bujkin brat po boji je bio brži i već ugostio oba matematičara u svojoj emisiji Podcast Velebit. Oba su profesori s FER-a, stariji je autor matematičkih udžbenika za srednju školu, još se sjećam zbirke zadataka
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https://balkaninsight.com/2021/02/16/controversial-serbian-holocaust-film-isnt-anti-croat-propaganda/
Controversial Serbian Holocaust Film Isn’t Anti-Croat Propaganda
Rory Yeomans
London February 16, 202109:14
The film ‘Dara of Jasenovac’, about a Serb girl in the World War II Jasenovac concentration camp in Croatia, has been accused of promoting a Serbian nationalist agenda, but it’s actually a serious attempt to portray fascist oppression.
Only a few recent Holocaust movies have provoked so many vituperative reviews or elicited so many strong opinions for reasons almost entirely divorced from the film itself.
Even before Predrag Antonijevic’s new film ‘Dara of Jasenovac’, about the Ustasa-run World War II concentration camp complex at Jasenovac in Croatia has been released in its native country – Serbia – it found itself at the centre of a welter of criticism, accused of a laundry list of transgressions by American and British film critics.
In August 1941, the Croatian WWII fascist Ustasa movement established the Jasenovac camp system, where over 83,000 Serbs, Roma, Jews and anti-fascists were killed as result of racial and other discriminative laws.
Reviewers have dismissed the film as crude Serbian nationalist propaganda, anti-Croat and anti-Catholic score settling and historical revisionism. One critic has gone so far as to assert that the film should not have been made at all.
The film’s depictions of camp violence – and allegedly incest – have generated particular scorn.
‘Dara of Jasenovac’ aims to convey everyday life in a concentration camp from the point of view of a ten-year-old girl, Dara Ilic, arrested along with her older brother, mother and two-year old brother Budo during the rounding-up of Serb civilians in the Kozara region by Ustasa militias and the German army.
Her father has already been incarcerated in Jasenovac by the Ustasa and is working as a gravedigger at the Gradina execution site, knowing that one day he will dig his own grave. Soon before arriving at the women’s and children’s section of the camp complex, Stara Gradiska, Dara’s mother and older brother are shot dead.
Thereafter, the story focuses on Dara’s determination to keep the promise she made to her mother: to never allow herself to be separated from her baby brother even as he becomes increasingly weak and a succession of surrogate mother figures in the camp are killed or transferred to Germany for forced labour.
Despite the assertions made by numerous critics, there is little evidence of a nationalist agenda in this film.
On the contrary, in the very first scene, a young Croat peasant woman rescues a baby from the column of prisoners making their journey to the concentration camp, bitterly condemning the inhumanity of the Ustasa towards Serb women and children. As such, from the outset the film explicitly separates ordinary Croat citizens from the regime.
Nor does the film ignore the suffering of Jews or Roma in the camp. The trumpet orchestra which accompanies a banquet for camp staff is a Roma one and obviously Roma women are present among the camp’s inmates, while two of the most important supporting characters in the film are Jewish.
It is true that the film focuses on the experiences of Serb women and children in the camp, but then the majority of those incarcerated in Jasenovac-Stara Gradiska were ethnic Serbs. This, in turn, reflects the fact that the Ustasa movement saw the annihilation of the Serbs as people as its overriding nation-building objective, without which a Croatian state was unviable, it believed.
A more reasonable criticism is that the film displays an anti-Catholic bias, an assertion presumably based on the supporting role played by a callous nun at the camp.
Sections of the Catholic Church in Croatia played a shameful role in the persecution of the Serbs: aside from the notorious Brother Miroslav Filipovic-Majstorovic, who features as a supporting character in the film, numerous priests, monks and seminary students served as concentration camp guards.
However, while some nuns earned an unenviable reputation for their cruelty towards Serb children, most notably in the children’s camp of Jastrebarsko, no nuns were stationed at Jasenovac or Stara Gradiska.
Confrontation with horror
What the film’s producers seem to have done is to take real events from various camps and roll them all into the experience of Dara and her brother.
The portrait of Croat Archbishop Alozije Stepinac on the wall of the classroom where the nun indoctrinates the children with Ustasa ideology, hanging besides one of Ante Pavelic, the supreme leader of the state, is jarring.
No matter how morally slippery Stepinac was and how undeserving of sainthood, Stepinac was deeply unpopular with and fundamentally untrusted by the Ustasa regime. It is therefore unlikely his image would have been displayed next to that of Pavelic.
Whether this is evidence of anti-Catholicism is another matter entirely.
It is worth bearing in mind that ‘Dara’ is a feature film, not a documentary; conflating events and characters for dramatic purposes is a standard part of film convention. Still, it is the kind of error that should have been avoided.
Similar observations apply to the costume design.
It is clear that the costume designer Ivanka Krstovic has carefully studied the photographs of the camps inmates. However, the costumes for the female Ustasa guards – like the historical figure of guard Nada Tanic-Luburic – are less successful.
Some of the strongest criticism has been reserved for the banquet scene during which prisoners are forced to play musical chairs, with the losers being garrotted. On the surface, this scene bookended by the lovemaking of Tanic-Luburic and her colleague, later husband, and commander of Jasenovac, Dinko Sakic – not, as one review asserted, her step-brother – seems gratuitous.
However, these scenes make a bit more sense when you understand what Antonijevic is trying to achieve.
He wants to confront us head on with the horror of Jasenovac: in so doing, he makes us complicit voyeurs in his conceit and won’t let us look away. The macabre banquet, featuring a scene in which a young German officer vomits as his superior quips “Welcome to the Balkans!” is pure Bunuelesque theatre.
While incidents such as these depicted in the banquet scene did take place at Jasenovac, whether the head of the Ustasa’s concentration camp system, Vjekoslav ‘Maks’ Luburic, was present is more doubtful.
Likewise, although German officials regularly expressed their disgust at the sanguinary nature of Ustasa crimes and from time to time visited the regime’s concentration camps, there’s no evidence they were present when such atrocities were being committed. The black humour sits uneasily with the harrowing story at the centre of the film, but it also provides a context for what comes later.
The committed performances of the actors are what ultimately keeps the film on course. While actor Marko Janketic is far better looking than Luburic was in real life, he captures with uncanny accuracy the latter’s sociopathic, terrifying belligerence. Meanwhile, Jelena Grujicic as a Jewish nurse who befriends Dara provides a courageous moral core to the film.
In contrast to the sometimes-cartoonish portrayal of camp staff, the film movingly explores the tawdry and complex moral compromises that concentration camp inmates, in the waiting room of death, are forced to make, with the camera capturing in close up their pained, wonderfully expressive faces.
Above all, it is the quiet, dignified performance of Biljana Cekic as Dara, determined to save her baby brother but desperate not to be separated from him, even at the price of saving him, that carries the film along. By the final suspenseful reel, we are emotionally swept up in her fate; until the last moment it is genuinely unclear how her story will resolve itself.
Perhaps the merits and flaws of this film matter less than what it represents. For all its faults, ‘Dara of Jasenovac’ is a significant breakthrough, providing a reference point for regional directors who want to make serious, victim-centred, commercial films about wartime Yugoslavia.
In the four short, cataclysmic years of its existence, the Ustasa-run Independent State of Croatia had an outsized impact on the lives of millions of ordinary people, not to mention the generations that followed. The archives contain so many stories about the experiences of individuals in those years of terror – Serbs, Jews and Roma as well as Croats and Bosniaks – that are just waiting to be told.
If it encourages other film makers to tell some of these stories, then ‘Dara of Jasenovac’ will surely be remembered for far more than a handful of scathing reviews.
Rory Yeomans is a historian and the author of Visions of Annihilation: The Ustasha Regime and the Cultural Politics of Fascism, 1941-1945 and the forthcoming The City of the Dead: War and Martyrdom in Fascist Croatia.
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ovaj covek koristi termin bunjuelovski na nacin na koji fudbalski komentatori koriste termin felinijevski.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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Никола Танасић
Ја и даље не знам ко ће ово моћи да гледа, ја сам се расплакао читајући приказ.
Odnosi se na ovaj prikaz koji jje okacio Bafalo
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ja cu se rasplakati kada budem citao tanasicev prikaz.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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meni je zapravo neverovatno da se brani istorijska akuratnost filma koju niko ni ne napada.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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nije imao know how da kaze "tacnost"
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boomer crook wrote:meni je zapravo neverovatno da se brani istorijska akuratnost filma koju niko ni ne napada.
reč aKUraTnoST bi realno očekivao od šuvara, no dobro. akuratnost je osporena u nekim kritikama kojima prete tužbom, dal varajeti dal elej tajms. ne čitam splačine enivej.
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boomer crook wrote: akuratnost
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Taman čitam da je neki hrvatski animiran film ušao u neki širi izbor gdje će izabrati nominacije za Oscara, ali pazite kako se zove film *drumroll* - "Slučajna raskoš prozirnog vodenog rebusa"
Kaže filmski kritičar da se treba nadrobit meskalinom
Kaže filmski kritičar da se treba nadrobit meskalinom
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Napisao Stevica Filipovic txt o Dari, ima na Pescaniku, mrzi me da kopiram link. Elem, txt nije los, naprotiv, bavi se odlukom da se film umestu u bioskopima odmah prikaze na tv-u. Ali meni je bas zaskripala ova, na prvi pogled sasvim usputna, primedba:
Mislim, nije da me previse iznenadjuje od Stevice (koji nas je onomad ubedjivao da islamofobija "ne postoji"), ali vidim da se i u siroj raspravi o filmu (PPP je tipican primer) uzima kao podrazumevajuca i samoocigledna istina da je Izrael pravi primer za kulturu secanja o Holokaustu - i mereno tim arsinom, kako SFRJ, tako i danasnja Srbija "zaostaju". Ova fascinacija Izraelom je so late 80's/early ninties. Kao da se u medjuvremenu nista nije desilo i nista nije otkrilo i problematizovalo. 20 godina je proslo od kad je prvi put izasla Finkelstinova "Holocaust Industry", kad ce vesti o tome da stignu do Srbije?
O politici oko filma „Dara iz Jasenovca“ manje više je sve rečeno, pre svega zato što su političke pozicije većine aktera savršeno transparentne.
Kao neko ko ima članove porodice koji su ubijeni u ustaškim logorima, čiji je deda bio u nemačkom logoru i čija je baka spasavala rodbinu od sigurne smrti, u sred rata, izlažući se ogromnoj opasnosti, tema Jasenovca mi predstavlja izuzetno bolno mesto. Bolno mesto nije samo zbog porodične istorije. Boli i serija sukcesivno loših odluka i načina na koji su se države i društva na ovim prostorima odnosile prema ovom genocidu, dozvolivši da se, umesto istorijske nauke, logorima i žrtvama bave nacionalisti u svojim petparačkim prepucavanjima i prebrojavanjima kostiju. Deo odgovornosti svakako pada i na SFRJ, što se „radi mira u kući“ nije, poput Izraela, čeono suočila sa ovim problemom.
Mislim, nije da me previse iznenadjuje od Stevice (koji nas je onomad ubedjivao da islamofobija "ne postoji"), ali vidim da se i u siroj raspravi o filmu (PPP je tipican primer) uzima kao podrazumevajuca i samoocigledna istina da je Izrael pravi primer za kulturu secanja o Holokaustu - i mereno tim arsinom, kako SFRJ, tako i danasnja Srbija "zaostaju". Ova fascinacija Izraelom je so late 80's/early ninties. Kao da se u medjuvremenu nista nije desilo i nista nije otkrilo i problematizovalo. 20 godina je proslo od kad je prvi put izasla Finkelstinova "Holocaust Industry", kad ce vesti o tome da stignu do Srbije?
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Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije