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    Post by Nim Chimpsky Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:26 pm

    Nisu nezavisni kandidati krivi za pobedu trumpa. Da su svi ti glasovi otisli Kamali promenio bi se rezultat samo u Wisconsinu. Republikancima je uspela demotivaciona kampanja za sta su najvise odgovorni mediji koji se tradicionalno percipiraju kao naklonjeni demokratama (vidno je bilo prestrojavanje WaPoa, NYTa i CNNa) a jos vise korisnjakovici koji su tapetarili razne montaze i podmetacine na socijalnim mrezama.
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    Post by beatakeshi Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:28 pm

    Zašto je prebrojavanje (prema wiki) već nekoliko dana zaglavljeno na 95%?
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    Post by Nim Chimpsky Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:30 pm

    Zato sto nisu svi glasovi prebrojani. Najvise zbog izbornih propisa u Californiji, ali i Arizoni i jos nekim drzavama.
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    Post by Sox Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:33 pm

    Eкономска обећања Доналда Трампа: Шта чека Сједињене Државе, а шта остатак света

    https://oko.rts.rs/ekonomija/5086157/ekonomska-obecanja-donalda-trampa-sta-ceka-sjedinjene-drzave-a-sta-ostatak-sveta.html

    Dobar pregled ali imam neka neslaganja:

    1) Rast BDP od 2-3%, koji se navodi kao dobar, narocito u poredjenju sa EU, taj rast BDP je posledica velikog fiskalnog deficita od 6%. Ali gospodin Nikolic kaze da je veliko pitanje koliko to moze da traje. U Evropi je 0-1% jer je u Nemackoj manji fiskalni deficit. Nije jedini razlog ima do znacajno veceg priliva ljudi, imigranti, u Ameriku nego li EU.

    2) Evropljani mogu lagano da udare kontramere Amerikancima. To je neistina.
    Ekonomski je moguce ali politicki nije. Amerikanci mogu da naprave politicki haos u Evropi. Od Iraka 2003, izbori u Francuskoj i Nemackoj su prilicno kontrolisani sa stanovista Amerikanaca.

    3) Kina bi najvise mogla da nastrada. Mozda na recima  ali u odnosima Kine i SAD ne verujem da ce biti velike dramatike sustinski. Mask i velika americka tehnoloska preduzeca imaju velike interese u Kini. Kina je za Ameriku danas vaznija od Evrope.

    4) Amerika moze tek tako da poveca izvoz gasa. Nafta i gas su ograniceni geoloskim osobenostima i rezervama. Bajden nije zbog zastite zivotne sredine ogranicio izvoz tpg-a(tecni prirodni gas-LNG) i nije hteo pred izbore da dozvoli gradnju novih terminala za tpg. Radi se o ceni gasa u Americi. Ako se povecava izvoz dolazi do otvaranja trzista i uskladjivanja cena sa npr. evropskim. Tako se smanjuju cene gasa u Evropi ali se povecavaju u Americi. Amerika trenutno ima visak gasa, Evropa mora da uvozi sve vise ruskog tpg(ludacka politika jer je gasovod jeftiniji), pogledati ulaz ruskog tpg u belgijske, francuske i spanske luke u poslednje 2 godine. I to nije jedini razlog ali jeste bio najvazni.
    Amerika danas el. energiju najvise dobija iz gasnih Termoelektrana(TE). Oko 40% proizvedene el.energije u Americi je iz gasa a oko 20% iz uglja, dva najvaznija izvora.
    Ocekuje se povecanje potrosnje el. energije u buducnosti zbog elektrifikacije prevoza, hladjenja tokom leta i IT infrastrukture. Postoje ogranicene rezerve gasa u Americi. Trenutno Amerika proizvodi oko 1 biliona(triliona)m3 gasa godisnje. Rezerve gasa u Americi se procenjuju na oko 20 biliona m3 trenutno. Dakle samo 20 godina proizvodnje na danasnjem nivou. Bice tu vise rezervi od danasnjih procena, 50-75%,  ali to produzava za 10ak godina mogucnost prozvodnje na danasnjem nivou.
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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:14 pm

    Nim Chimpsky wrote:Nisu nezavisni kandidati krivi za pobedu trumpa. Da su svi ti glasovi otisli Kamali promenio bi se rezultat samo u Wisconsinu. Republikancima je uspela demotivaciona kampanja za sta su najvise odgovorni mediji koji se tradicionalno percipiraju kao naklonjeni demokratama (vidno je bilo prestrojavanje WaPoa, NYTa i CNNa) a jos vise korisnjakovici koji su tapetarili razne montaze i podmetacine na socijalnim mrezama.

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    Post by beatakeshi Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:42 pm

    Partija koja je dva puta izgubila od nečega što se zove Donald Tramp zaslužuje samo prezir i nipodaštavanje.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:57 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:
    Nim Chimpsky wrote:Nisu nezavisni kandidati krivi za pobedu trumpa. Da su svi ti glasovi otisli Kamali promenio bi se rezultat samo u Wisconsinu. Republikancima je uspela demotivaciona kampanja za sta su najvise odgovorni mediji koji se tradicionalno percipiraju kao naklonjeni demokratama (vidno je bilo prestrojavanje WaPoa, NYTa i CNNa) a jos vise korisnjakovici koji su tapetarili razne montaze i podmetacine na socijalnim mrezama.

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    Post by Del Cap Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:37 pm

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:51 pm

    boomer crook wrote:trampari je ukrajina nista a bliski istok i kina sve. mojih 5 evrocenti: probace da se dogovori sa putinom, odvoji rusiju od kine, izoluje iran, napravi bantustane od palestinaca i pritiska kinu na svakom koraku. rat sa iranom je izgledan u naredne 4 godine ako se dogovori sa pjutinom oko ukrajine.

    Rusiju možda i odvoji od Kine i Irana, ali Putina tesko
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    Post by beatakeshi Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:52 pm

    Kukavno velikosrpstvo...
    Ali s obzirom da je Elon M. iz Šipova (rekao onaj Nestorovićev majmun Siniša Ljepojević) mislim da je stadi fizibilna.
    Et plakati
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    Post by паће Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:20 pm

    beatakeshi wrote:
    Et plakati

    ...али не и цмиздрити, то заборавите.


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    Post by ficfiric Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:38 pm

    Ali kako sve rade sablonski, bukvalno sve. Ranije su pumpali Putinov rejting preko svake mere da bi onda kacili Vucica za Putina. Sada isti sablon primenjuju na Trampu. Opet ce biti tekstovi kako se lik Trampa ukazao na nebu, kako ljudi ne zovu hitnu pomoc kad dodje Trampov zet, itd


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    Post by Del Cap Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:19 pm

    što menjati taktiku koja radi posao...


    elem:

    Trump taps Stephen Miller for top White House policy job

    by Brett Samuels - 11/11/24 11:50 AM ET

    Stephen Miller, who served as a top adviser during the first Trump administration, will return to the White House in January to serve in a top policy job, multiple officials confirmed Monday.

    President-elect Trump has chosen Miller to serve as deputy chief of staff for policy. Miller is expected to take on a leading role implementing Trump’s immigration agenda, which includes plans for mass deportations of immigrants without legal status.

    “This is another fantastic pick by the president,” Vice President-elect JD Vance posted on the social platform X.

    The Trump transition team did not respond to a request for comment. CNN first reported on Trump’s plans to appoint Miller to the role.

    Miller was the architect of some of Trump’s first-term immigration policies, including family separation and an order to ban travel into the U.S. from several majority-Muslim countries.


    He will work alongside Susie Wiles, whom Trump last week named as his chief of staff.

    During the Biden administration, Miller led America First Legal, an organization that launched dozens of lawsuits against Democratic policies.

    Miller became a more regular presence on the campaign trail closer to Election Day, speaking at Trump rallies about the need to deport immigrants in the country illegally and crack down on the number of migrants coming into the country.

    Much of Trump’s Day 1 agenda is likely to be focused on cracking down on immigration. Late Sunday, he announced former Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan would serve as “border czar” in the new administration.

    In addition to carrying out mass deportations, Trump has vowed to sign an executive order “on Day 1” to stop federal agencies from giving automatic U.S. citizenship to the children of immigrants in the country illegally. Such an effort to end birthright citizenship would face certain legal challenges.

    The president-elect will also likely resume construction of a wall along the southern border, something the Biden administration halted, and Trump could also look to reimpose policies such as the “Remain in Mexico” program, which forced potential asylum-seekers to stay in Mexico to wait out the results of their cases in U.S. immigration court.

    Miller is perhaps the figure from the first Trump administration most associated with his hard-line immigration policies.
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    Post by Old Dry Keith Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:28 pm

    a ko će da im radi?


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    Post by паће Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:31 pm

    One Eyed Bob wrote:a ko će da im radi?

    Најмиће неке имигранте, Црнотравце.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:33 pm

    Isto oni ali za još manje pare
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:50 pm

    U prihvatnom centru za deportaciju. Koji će biti u rukama privatnika.


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    Post by Del Cap Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:58 pm

    Trump picks ally Lee Zeldin as environment chief and vows to roll back rules

    President-elect says ex-New York congressman will ‘ensure fair and swift deregulatory decisions’ as EPA administrator
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    Donald Trump has picked Lee Zeldin, a former New York congressman, to lead the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), vowing the appointment will “ensure fair and swift deregulatory decisions” by the regulator.

    Trump, who oversaw the rollback of more than 100 environmental rules when he last was US president, said that Zeldin was a “true fighter for America First policies” and that “he will ensure fair and swift deregulatory decisions that will be enacted in a way to unleash the power of American businesses, while at the same time maintaining the highest environmental standards, including the cleanest air and water on the planet”.

    Zeldin, a Republican who was in the House of Representatives until last year as a member for a New York district that covers part of Long Island, said the nomination was an “honor” and that he was looking forward to cutting red tape as the EPA administrator.

    “We will restore US energy dominance, revitalize our auto industry to bring back American jobs, and make the US the global leader of AI,” Zeldin wrote on X. “We will do so while protecting access to clean air and water.”


    Zeldin, 44, is considered a close Trump ally and ran in a surprisingly close race for New York governor in 2022, before being pipped by Kathy Hochul, a Democrat. During the campaign, Zeldin attacked Hochul’s “far-left climate agenda” and assailed Democrats for allegedly forcing people to drive electric cars.

    The EPA nominee, who will have to be confirmed by the US Senate, has rarely spoken out on environmental or climate issues, although he said in 2014 he was “not sold yet on the whole argument that we have as serious a problem as other people are” with global heating, and added in 2018 that he did not support the Paris climate agreement, which Trump is again expected to withdraw the US from.

    Zeldin, who has a score of just 14% from the League of Conservation Voters on his votes on environmental issues in his 15 years in Congress, is expected to oversee an overhaul of the EPA that will rival anything seen since its foundation in 1970.

    An exodus of staff is expected from the agency, with employees already raising fears they will be subject to political interference and that their work to protect Americans from toxic chemicals and planet-heating emissions from cars, trucks and power plants will be torn up.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:22 am

    Veselje
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:27 am

    Ali super je ovo. Ne vise - e ajde sad vi smanjite ovo ili ono. Sad je - a hocete da mi smanjimo nesto? Ok, mozda razmislimo o tome. Sta ste vi spremni da date za to?
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:57 am

    plachkica wrote:

    I ovog lika za NSA

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-national-security-adviser-mike-wlatz-0c81d044c9ffe18dfd745202e8351b9c

    Nijedan od njih dvojice nije ništa blizu izolacionizmu
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:19 am

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    Does Donald J. Trump have an ideology, and what it is? The first part of the question is redundant: every individual has an ideology and if we believe that they do not have it, it is because it might represent an amalgam of pieces collected from various ideological frameworks that are rearranged, and thus hard to put a name on. But that does not mean that there is no ideology. The second part is a million-dollar question because if we could piece together Donald J, Trump’s ideology, we would be able to forecast, or guess (the element of volatility is high), how his rule over the next four years might look like.
    The reason why most people are unable to make a coherent argument about Trump’s ideology is because they are either blinded by hatred or adulation, or because they cannot bring what they observe in him into an ideological framework, with a name attached to it, and to which they are accustomed.
    Before I try to answer the question, let me dismiss two, in my opinion, entirely wrong epithets attached to Trump: fascist and populist. If fascist is used as a term of abuse, this is okay and we can use it freely. Nobody cares. But as a term in a rational discussion of Trump’s beliefs it is wrong. Fascism as an ideology implies (i) exclusivist nationalism, (ii) glorification of the leader, (iii) emphasis on the power of the state as opposed to private individuals and the private sector, (iv) rejection of the multi-party system, (v) corporatist rule, (vi) replacement of the class structure of society with unitary nationalism, and (vii) quasi religious adulation of the Party, the state and the leader. I do not need to discuss each of these elements individually to show that they have almost no relationship to what Trump believes or what he wants to impose.
    Likewise, the term “populist” has of late become a term of abuse, and despite some (in my opinion rather unsuccessful) attempts to define it better, it really stands for the leaders who win elections but do so on a platform that “we” do like. Then, the term becomes meaningless.
    What are the constituent parts of Trump’s ideology as we might have glimpsed during the previous four years of his rule?
    Mercantilism. Mercantilism is an old and hallowed doctrine that regards economic activity, and especially trade in goods and services between the states as a zero-sum game. Historically it went together with a world where wealth was gold and silver. If you take the amount of gold and silver to be limited, then clearly the state and its leader who possesses more gold and silver (regardless of all other goods) is more powerful.  The world has evolved since the 17th century but many people still believe in the mercantilist doctrine. Moreover, if one believes that trade is just a war by other means and that the main rival or antagonist of the United States is China mercantilist policy towards China becomes a very natural response. When Trump initiated such policies against China in 2017 they were not a part of the mainstream discourse, but have since moved to the center. Biden’s administration followed them and expanded them significantly. We can expect that Trump will double-down on them. But mercantilists are, and Trump will be, transactional: if China agrees to sell less and buy more, he will be content. Unlike Biden, Trump will not try to undermine or overthrow the Chinese regime. Thus, unlike what many people believe, I think that Trump is good for China (that is, given the alternatives).
    Profit-making. Like all Republicans, Trump believes in the private sector. Private sector in his view is unreasonably hampered by regulations, rules, taxes. He was a capitalist who never paid taxes which, in his view, simply shows that he was a good entrepreneur. But for others, lesser capitalists, regulations should be simplified or gotten rid of, and taxation should be reduced. Consistent with that view is the belief that taxes on capital should be lower than taxes on labor. Entrepreneurs and capitalists are job-creators, others are, in Ayn Rand’s words, ”moochers”. There is nothing new there in Trump. It is the same doctrine that was held from Reagan onwards, including by Bill Clinton. Trump may be just more vocal and open about low taxes on capital, but he would do the same thing that Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr. did. And that liberal icon Greenspan deeply believed.
    Anti-immigrant “nationalism”. This a really difficult part. The term “nationalist” only awkwardly applies to American politicians because people are used to “exclusive” (not inclusive) European and Asian nationalisms. When we speak of (say) Japanese nationalism, we mean that such Japanese would like to expel ethnically non-Japanese either from decision-making or presence in the country, or both. The same is true for Serbian, Estonian, French or Castellan nationalisms. The American nationalism, by its very nature, cannot be ethnic or blood-related because of enormous heterogeneity of people who compose the United States. Commentators have thus invented a new term, “white nationalism”. It is a bizarre term because it combines color of the skin with ethnic (blood) relations.  In reality, I think that the defining feature of Trump’s “nationalism” is neither ethnic nor racial, but simply the dislike of new migrants. It is in essence not different from anti-migrant policies applied today in the heart of the socio-democratic world, in Nordic and North Western European countries where the right-wing parties in Sweden, the Netherlands, Finland, and Denmark believe (in the famous expression of the Dutch right-wing leader Geert Wilders) that their countries are “full” and cannot accept more immigrants. Trump’s view is only unusual because the US is not, objectively by any criteria, a full country: the number of people per square kilometer in the United States is 38 while it is 520 in the Netherlands.
    A nation for itself. When one combines mercantilism with migrant dislike, one gets close to what US foreign policy under Trump will look like. It will be the policy of nationalist anti-imperialism. I have to unpack these terms. This combination is uncommon, especially for big powers: if they are big, nationalist and mercantilist, it is almost intuitively understood that they have to be imperialistic. Trump however defies this nostrum. He goes back to the Founders’ foreign policy that abhorred “foreign entanglements”. The United States, in their and in his view, is a powerful and rich nation, looking after its interests, but it is not an “indispensable nation” in the way that Madeleine Albright defined it. It is not the role of the United States to right every wrong in the world (in the optimistic or self-serving view of this doctrine) nor to waste its money on people and causes which have nothing to do with its interests (in the realist view of the same doctrine).
    Why Trump dislikes imperialism that has become common currency for both US parties since 1945 is hard to say but I think that instinctively he tends to espouse values of the Founding Fathers and people like the Republican antagonist to Woodrow Wilson, William Taft who believed in US economic strength and saw no need to convert that strength into a hegemonic political rule over the world.
    This does not mean that Trump will give up US hegemony (NATO will not be disbanded), because, as Thucydides wrote: “it is not any longer possible for you to give up this empire, though there may be some people who in a mood of sudden panic and in a spirit of political apathy actually think that this would be a fine and noble thing to do. Your empire is now like a tyranny: it may have been wrong to take it; it is certainly dangerous to let it go”. But in the light of Trump’s mercantilist principles, he would make US allies pay much more for it. Like in Pericles’ Athens, the protection will no longer come for free. One should not forget that the beautiful Acropolis that we all admire was built with gold stolen from the allies.   


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