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    Post by Filipenko Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:32 pm

    Ma koji crni rat Turske i Izraela, nema od toga nista. Dve demokratije ne ratuju jedna protiv druge.  Блиски исток - Page 9 3826186726
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    Post by MNE Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:32 pm

    RTE

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    Post by plachkica Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:42 pm

    [size=30][size=30]Potreban momentalni prekid vatre i povratak mirovnom procesu između Izraela i Palestine[/size][/size]
    Ogorčeni smo i ožalošćeni aktima nasilja nad svim nedužnim civilima – u Izraelu, Gazi i na Zapadnoj obali. Zahtevamo momentalni prekid nemilosrdne kampanje bombardovanja koju sprovodi Izrael u Gazi i koja je okrutna na svakom nivou. Izrael ima pravo na samoodbranu, ali nema pravo da kolektivno kažnjava opkoljeni i bespomoćni narod i brutalno krši međunarodno humanitarno pravo. Prekid dotoka vode, struje, hrane, lekova i humanitarne pomoći je zločin protiv čovečnosti i otvorena najava genocida.
    Duboko smo poraženi trenutnom situacijom i osećajem nemogućnosti da to sprečimo. Takođe smo razočarani nemogućnošću da se slobodno govori o tome šta je ispravno jer se to odbacuje kao naivno, dok se kao jedino realistično prihvata pozivanje na rat i odmazdu. 
    Zeleno-levi front, kao politička partija koja promoviše društvenu pravdu i vrednuje ljudski život iznad svega, nedvosmisleno osuđuje nepojmljiv teroristički napad Hamasa na izraelske civile 7. oktobra i zahteva hitno oslobađanje talaca koji su tom prilikom oteti. 
    Istovremeno, smatramo da mora doći do momentalnog humanitarnog prekida vatre i opsade pojasa Gaze, u kojima je do sada stradalo više od 5700 ljudi, od čega više od 2300 palestinske dece. 
    Pozivamo Evropsku uniju, kao i ostale velike sile, da ulože sve diplomatske napore da zaustave nasilje, začarani krug krvoprolića i mržnje koji obesmišljavaju bilo kakav mirovni proces čiji bi ishod vodio političkom rešenju u kojem Izraelci i Palestinci žive jedni pored drugih, slobodni i bezbedni. 
    Zlo koje traje u Izraelu i Palestini nije počelo 7. oktobra. Aparthejd koji država Izreal sistematski sprovodi nad okupiranim teritorijama, Zapadnom obalom i Gazom, traje već više od sedam decenija. Hamas je nesumnjivo ogrezao u mržnju koja je delom nastala i iz decenija tlačenja Palestinaca. Cena te mržnje plaća se u nevinim životima, izraelskim i palestinskim.
    Mir dolazi sa rešenjem o dve države, na osnovu granica iz 1967. godine, uz određena prilagođavanja koje je stvorilo vreme, i sa Jerusalimom kao glavnim gradom obe države


    https://zelenolevifront.rs/potreban-momentalni-prekid-vatre-i-povratak-mirovnom-procesu-izmedu-izraela-i-palestine/
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    Post by Улични ходач Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:29 pm

    Храбро од стране Ердогана. само за то курчење на унутрашњем плану да би привукао гласове морао је да пусти Шведску у нато. Као што рекох, снс-спс систем власти. Курчи се а све предаје.
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:15 pm

    ​Ovde ima jedan dobar niz o tome kako je Izrael "naučio" Palestince da im se nenasilni otpor ne isplati.
     
     

    Za čitanje svega odjednom:
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1716497703478210797.html

    Ovo je zaključak:
    In the vast majority of cases of Palestinian non-violent resistance, Israel responds with lethal & disproportionate violence.

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    Post by disident Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:25 pm

    rumbeando wrote:

    Oko 700 civila je Izrael pobio za jednu noc.


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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:03 pm

    MNE wrote:RTE


    Fejk, nijedan medij ne prenosi da je to rekao, počevši od TRT Worlda. Nazvao je Hamas ratnicima koji brane svoju zemlju i svoj narod, rekao da se Izrael ponaša kao teroristička organizacija i optužio Zapad za licemerje, ali to rekao nije.


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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:14 pm

    NYT stavlja veliki upitnik nad izraelsku verziju istine o bombardovanju bolnice.



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    Post by MNE Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:29 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
    MNE wrote:RTE


    Fejk, nijedan medij ne prenosi da je to rekao, počevši od TRT Worlda. Nazvao je Hamas ratnicima koji brane svoju zemlju i svoj narod, rekao da se Izrael ponaša kao teroristička organizacija i optužio Zapad za licemerje, ali to rekao nije.
    https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/o-erntogan-perna-stin-teliki-fasi-tou-schediou-gia-ti-gaza-i-chamas-den-einai-tromokratiki-organosi-alla-patriotiki-organosi-apeleftheroton-schediazei-tin-itta-tou-israil/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    In a world full of the living dead, we will continue to speak the truth and implement political and even military measures if necessary. We will do everything we can. We will not compromise."
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:30 pm

    Nije tako rekao kako je gore preneseno, evo detaljno.

    Türkiye to do whatever necessary diplomatically and militarily in Gaza: Erdogan

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in his speech at the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) group meeting, devoted a wide space to the Israel-Hamas conflict. He reacted harshly against Israel and the Western countries supporting it. He also said that Türkiye would provide political and military support to end the attacks as soon as possible.

    Türkiye is always ready to support diplomatically and, if necessary, militarily to end the Israeli attacks on Gaza as soon as possible, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at the AK Party group meeting.

    "In a world full of the dead who remain alive, we will continue to shout the truth and take political and, if necessary, military measures. We will do whatever we can. We will not compromise our stance as a requirement of our faith. We will not resort to steps that will not benefit Palestine. We are the Republic of Türkiye with thousands of years of state wisdom behind us," Erdogan said.

    "The perpetrators behind the massacre in Gaza are those who give unlimited support to Israel. I appeal to those who encourage them. As long as civilians die in Gaza, the planes and ships sent to our region will not bring peace," he added.

    'ISRAEL MUST HEED CALL FOR PEACE'
    Erdogan said that Israel should listen to the world's call for peace. He also stated that Israel does not want peace to come to the region.

    "Israel does not want peace to come to the region. The dark shadow of war should never be missing over the Eastern Mediterranean. We object to this. We reject this order of exploitation. Al-Aqsa Mosque is the common place of worship of Muslims, Christians, and Jews," Turkish President emphasized.

    'CEASEFIRE MUST BE DECLARED'
    The Turkish president noted the need for a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel as soon as possible.

    "Both the Israeli attacks and the missile launches against Israel must stop. This incident must be ended quickly. You are putting children in cages, what is this. A humanitarian corridor must be established immediately. Entry and exit must be allowed for the wounded," Erdogan highlighted.

    'TÜRKİYE READY TO BE GUARANTOR OF PALESTINE'
    Erdogan stated that Türkiye's guarantor role in Palestine is the most effective method to resolve the crisis in the region.

    "We are ready to be the guarantor of the Palestinian side with our political and military presence. We propose a Palestinian-Israeli peace conference. Both sides need practical steps, especially our guarantor proposal," he added.

    INDEPENDENT STATE OF PALESTINE MUST BE ESTABLISHED'
    Erdogan said that an independent Palestinian state must be established in order to achieve peace in the region. Otherwise, he reminded again that this situation would have a negative impact on other countries.

    ‘HAMAS NOT TERRORIST ORGANISATION'
    Referring to Israel's attacks on the Palestinian people, the Turkish President emphasized that almost half of those who lost their lives in the attacks on Gaza were children.

    "You will not find a state or an army in the world that continues this inhuman act of setting the streets on fire just to kill children. The West sees Hamas as a terrorist organization. Hamas is not a terrorist organization, it is a liberation group of mujahideen trying to protect their land,” he added.

    "I shook the hand of this man called Benjamin Netanyahu once in my life. Of course, they abused our good intentions. We had a project to go to Israel, we canceled it. They abused our good intentions,” Erdogan said and noted that their planned visit to Israel was canceled.

    "We propose to organize an 'International Palestine-Israel Peace Conference' in which all effective actors in the region will take part,” he said.
    https://www.turkiyenewspaper.com/politics/16898

    Euronews je javio da su poslanici tokom govora vikali "Dole Izrael" i "Alahu akbar."


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    Post by MNE Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:34 pm

    pa nije ali u prenesenom značenju jeste, šta ti to misliš da bi mogao da uradi militarily u Gazi a da nije napad na Izrael, da napadne Hamas?
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:44 pm

    Blinken navodno tražio od Katara da utiša Al Džaziru, koja je tamošnji državni kanal.

    US Secretary of State Tony Blinken asked Qatar’s prime minister to tone down the state-owned Al Jazeera’s rhetoric about the Gaza war, the Axios news site reports.

    The request to “turn down the volume on Al Jazeera’s coverage because it is full of anti-Israel incitement” suggests that the US fears the Qatari network’s coverage of the war is inflaming tensions in the region.

    The request was one of several Blinken made as part of a broader plea for Qatar to change its public posture toward Hamas, Axios says.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/blinken-reportedly-told-qatari-pm-to-turn-down-volume-of-anti-israel-incitement-on-al-jazeera/
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    Post by boomer crook Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:03 pm

    bibi se veceras obraca naciji u 8:45 koliko sam shvatio. kakav vucicevski momenat.


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    Post by паће Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:09 pm

    MNE wrote:pa nije ali u prenesenom značenju jeste, šta ti to misliš da bi mogao da uradi militarily u Gazi a da nije napad na Izrael, da napadne Hamas?

    Да направи линију раздвајања?


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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:18 pm

    ​WSJ piše da Ameri očekuju napade na svoje vojne objekte po regionu i da su Izraelci pristali da odlože invaziju dok se oni ne obezbede protivraketnim štitovima.
     
    Israel has agreed, for now, to a request from the U.S. to get its air defenses in place to protect U.S. troops in the region ahead of an expected ground invasion of Gaza, according to U.S. officials and people familiar with the Israeli planning.
    The Pentagon is scrambling to deploy nearly a dozen air-defense systems to the region, including for U.S. troops serving in Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, to protect them from missiles and rockets. U.S. officials have so far persuaded the Israelis to hold off until those pieces can be placed, as early as later this week.
    Israel is also taking into account in its planning the effort to supply humanitarian aid to civilians inside Gaza, as well as diplomatic efforts to free more of the hostages held by Hamas, officials said.
    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-palestinians-news/card/israel-agrees-to-delay-invasion-of-gaza-so-u-s-can-rush-missile-defenses-to-region-wFU3kduhruPhm6e8OM7b

    Netanjahu najavio invaziju sa ciljem uništenja Hamasa i oslobađanja talaca.




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    Post by Janko Suvar Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:21 pm

    OSINTdefender
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    The U.S. Operations Base at Abu Hajar Airport in Northeastern Syria has reportedly just come under Rocket Attack.


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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:49 pm

    Bajden opet pozvao na uspostavljanje dugoročnog mira primenom rešenja s dve države i rad Izraelaca, Palestinaca, regionalnih igrača i globalnih lidera na tome, rekao da je Izrael dužan da se ponaša u skladu s pravilima ratovanja, naglasio da Hamas ne predstavlja ogromnu većinu Palestinaca u Gazi, kritikovao napade koje sprovode izraelski doseljenici na Zapadnoj obali i izrazio nadu da će se normalizacija odnosa između Saudijaca i Izraela nastaviti.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-25/biden-calls-for-two-state-solution-following-israel-hamas-war#xj4y7vzkg
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:14 pm

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    Članak iz 2019:
    Israeli aircraft spraying herbicide beside the buffer zone along the Gaza strip is directly affecting the livelihoods of Palestinians in violation of international standards, a new report claims.

    The study tracked the drift of the herbicides on to the Gazan side and concluded it was killing agricultural crops and causing “unpredictable and uncontrollable damage”, according to the report’s main researcher.

    The report also concluded the spray is reaching more than 300 metres (980ft) into Gaza.

    The work was undertaken by Forensic Architecture, a research agency based at Goldsmiths, University of London, which spent 16 months investigating the potential effects of the spraying.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/19/israeli-spraying-of-herbicide-near-gaza-harming-palestinian-crops
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    Post by Del Cap Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:19 pm

    Cena ratovanja

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    Post by Улични ходач Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:19 pm

    Janko Suvar wrote:OSINTdefender
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    The U.S. Operations Base at Abu Hajar Airport in Northeastern Syria has reportedly just come under Rocket Attack.

    То је редовно стање, само се слабије извештава. Американци су под сталним нападима тамо. Не знам шта ће бити са њима ако се разбукти, мислим да следи брза евакуација. Они одговарају нападима на сиријске мете преко Израела. У ствари, Израел први удари по Сирији, после тога следи напад на Амере.
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:29 pm

    Odgledajte klip, tvitove možete zanemariti.

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    Post by rumbeando Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:02 am

    Samo da vam dam jedan primer. Bio sam u [izraelskim] vojnim sudovima na Zapadnoj obali, onima gde Palestince osuđuju u reda veličine 99% slučajeva. Ako dvoje dece bace kamen na izraelskog vojnika, jedno jevrejsko i jedno palestinsko, pravne posledice te iste radnje su različite u zavisnosti od nacije. Ljudi mogu sami da zaključe koja bi reč to najbolje opisivala.

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    Post by rumbeando Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:44 am

    Emitovano na BBC [World] News danas u 10:
    Voditeljka Liz Duset: Humanitarna misija UNRWA [UN-ova agencija za pomoć palestinskim izbeglicama na Bliskom istoku] već nekoliko dana upozorava da je goriva [u Pojasu Gaze] očajno malo i da ćete možda biti primorani u ovoj poziciji da drastično smanjite ono što možete da uradite. Šta vidite sada kao glavni prioritet sa ograničenim gorivom koje imate.

    Portparolka UNRWA Tamara Alrifaj: Sve je prioritet, jer mi moramo da razmatramo da li da isključimo inkubatore za prevremeno rođene bebe u bolnicama, da li da prestanemo da snabdevamo pekare gorivom [za generatore pošto nema struje] znajući da oko milion ljudi dnevno dobija samo jedno parče hleba, da prestanemo da pumpamo čistu vodu kroz naša postrojenja za desalinizaciju, što je jedini način da ljudi piju vodu koja nije kontaminirana. Ovo je presek stanja u kome smo se našli kao humanitarni radnici, i zaista je mučno što moramo da odlučujemo o ovome. (...)

    Voditeljka Liz Duset: Osim goriva, šta je sa hranom, vodom, lekovima? To je odobreno. UN su kritikovale činjenicu da ih jednostavno nema dovoljno, ali da li se situacija poboljšava?

    Portparolka UNRWA Tamara Alrifaj: Ne poboljšava se, uslovi logističke nesigurnosti su veoma, veoma složeni. Dakle, da vam dam primer, bilo je potrebno 2 nedelje šatl diplomatije i intenzivnih političkih pregovora na najvišem nivou da bi ukupno 74 kamiona ušla [u Pojas Gaze] u poslednja 4 dana. Poređenja radi, pre ove trenutne krize Gaza je dnevno dobijala 500 kamiona hrane i drugih zaliha. 70% stanovnika Gaze se već ranije oslanjalo na humanitarnu pomoć u hrani. Zamislite sada njihovu situaciju sa milion njih raseljenih, njih 600.000 u UNRWA skloništima gde imaju pristup samo onome što mi možemo da im obezbedimo, a to je ponekad 1 komad hleba dnevno. 74 kamiona za 4 dana je veoma, veoma daleko od onoga što je potrebno stanovnicima Gaze.

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