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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:58 am

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    ŠEF GLAVNE obavještajne službe Ukrajine Kirilo Budanov rekao je u intervjuu za "Voice of America" da su vlasti Srbije odbile Rusiji isporučiti oružje koje su Rusi tražili od njih. Budanov kaže da je Iran jedina zemlja koja zaista isporučuje koliko-toliko ozbiljno oružje Rusiji, prenosi Ukrinform.
    "Bilo je informacija da nešto dolazi iz Sjeverne Koreje, ali nemamo potvrdu za to. Nismo zabilježili slučaj da je neko oružje koje je došlo iz Sjeverne Koreje upotrebljeno. Možda još nismo vidjeli to oružje ili ono ide za neke druge potrebe.
    Rusija pokušava kupiti bilo kakvo oružje bilo gdje jer ima velike probleme. Svi u Rusiji su se nadali da će im Srbija prodati oružje, ali oni su to odbili. U Rusiji postoje određeni pokušaji da se oružje kupuje preko trećih zemalja i da se uvozi oružje
    Sada pokušavaju s Mjanmarom. S vremenom ćemo vidjeti što će iz toga proizaći. Zapravo, u pogledu oružja, Rusija je ograničena Iranom. Do sada", rekao je Budanov za "Voice of America".


    Budanov navodi da Rusija prijeti nuklearnim oružjem, ali da ga nije koristila. On smatra da ga ni neće koristiti. "Mogu li oni koristiti nuklearno oružje? Hipotetski, sve je moguće u životu. Je li to realno? Nije. Rusko vodstvo ipak nije puno takvih idiota kakvima se žele prikazati svijetu.
    "Oni jasno razumiju da nuklearno oružje nije oružje, već sredstvo strateškog odvraćanja. Drugo, upotreba nuklearnog sredstva odvraćanja od bilo koga u svijetu dovela bi do fatalnih posljedica za onoga tko to učini, tko god bio u pitanju", rekao je Budanov.
    Šef ukrajinskih obavještajaca je ranije rekao da je više od 60 posto vojne opreme uklonjeno iz dugotrajnih skladišta u Ukrajini i da nema dovoljno oklopnih vozila.

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    Post by rumbeando Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:19 pm


    91% stanovništva Moldavije ne veruje da je njihova vojska u stanju da brani zemlju.
     
    Most Moldovans are for neutrality on conflict in Ukraine - poll
    Most Moldovan citizens believe Chisinau should stay neutral on the events in Ukraine, according to the Sociopolitical Barometer February 2023 poll carried out by IMAS for Public Media.
    According to the poll results presented in Chisinau on Monday, 73% of the respondents said the best decision for Moldova in this situation is to maintain neutrality, whereas 20% said the country needs to join some military alliance.
    The poll showed that 60% of the respondents are concerned about the possibility of the Ukraine conflict spreading to the territory of the republic and 29% said they do not think the military action will spread to Moldova.
    As for the conflict outcome in Ukraine, 48% of the respondents said the military action should stop as soon as possible, even if that envisages territorial concessions on Kiev's part. Twenty-four percent of the respondents said Ukraine should win, and the same percentage (24%) said they disagree with both statements.
    Ninety-one percent of the respondents said the Moldovan army is incapable of defending the country. At the same time, 62% of the respondents disagree with the increase of the Defense Ministry's budget and 34% said they support this decision. Forty-one percent of the respondents said they believe the number of Moldova's Armed Forces should increase, 37% said it should stay unchanged, and 12% said it should decrease.
    Fifty-five percent of the respondents spoke against Moldova's exit of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) (32% said they are for it), 69% said they are against severing economic ties with Russia (24% said they are for it), and 70% said they are against severing diplomatic relations with Russia (22% said they are for it).
    The poll was conducted on February 6-23. It surveys 1,100 respondents, and the margin of error is three percent.
    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/894353.html
     
    Iz iste ankete:
    If a referendum on Moldova’s accession to the European Union was held next Sunday, 51% of those surveyed would vote in favor, while 35% would vote against. Also, 38% would vote for entry into the Eurasians Economic Union, while 39% would vote against. 32% would vote for Moldova’s union with Romania, while 57% would vote against.
    https://www.ipn.md/en/if-elections-were-held-next-sunday-three-parties-would-enter-parliament-7967_1095471.html

    PDF na engleskom sa celim istraživanjem:
    https://imas.md/pic/archives/43/%5Bimas%5D%20barometrul%20socio-politic_februarie%202023_ENG.pdf
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:33 pm

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    Post by Indy Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:13 pm

    Moglo bi biti deepfake
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    Post by паће Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:25 pm

    Indy wrote:Moglo bi biti deepfake

    И то под туђом заставом...


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    Post by MNE Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:32 pm

    kad su već radili deepfake mogli su Putina
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:56 pm

    Indy wrote:Moglo bi biti deepfake

    Kažu ovi Belgijanci da verovatno nije, navodno se vidi i neka narukvica koju ovaj inače nosi.

    https://www.7sur7.be/monde/un-general-se-filme-en-train-de-danser-a-moitie-nu-apres-la-destruction-d-un-avion-espion-russe~a25d6ab9/
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:59 pm

    1999: Klinton je napao Srbiju da skrene pažnju sa afere sa Monikom Luindski
    2023: Bajden je napao Donbas da bi Hanter Bajden kontrolisao ukrajinska rudna bogatstva
    Ne moš ti Srbina zajebati.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Notxor Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:30 pm

    Nema jake.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:58 pm

    Ovo su jake misli.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Filipenko Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:56 pm

    MNE wrote:kad su već radili deepfake mogli su Putina


    Zapravo, odabrali su odlicnog lika, rec je o generalu i obavestajnom oficiru ciji se lik bukvalno do pre par godina zapravo nije ni znao, jer se nikada nije pojavljivao u javnosti. A da stvar bude jos gora, na samom pocetku videa se vidi da je snimao sam sebe jer pusta kameru u rad, bar da ga je snimala neka sisata dr Olja za koju bi igrao... Rat u Ukrajini - Page 16 2952840586
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    Post by kondo Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:57 pm

    Indy wrote:
    MNE wrote:covid nije ništa manje misteriozna varijabla

    OK, ovde bih se odjavio iz daljne diskusije na ovu temu. Rat u Ukrajini - Page 16 2304934895


    š'o br'te?


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:34 pm

    Toza nervoza.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Indy Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:29 pm


    š'o br'te?

    Neproduktivno
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    Post by MNE Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:43 pm

    nekad si i na zapadu i u SSSR imao jaku svijest ljudi o posljedicama nuklearne katastrofe, gradila su se skloništa, ABHO se učila i u školama, imao si TV emisije o tome, a danas imaš gomilu idiota koji se pitaju zašto se ne pošalju krstareće na Moskvu jer im se sa TVa servira nadmoćnost zapada i kako Rusija nema oružja i slično
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:03 pm

    Imaš i Solovljeva koji na ruskij televizii od prvog dana spec vojne operacije šalje Sarmate na London, dok gosti u studiju svršavaju na tu genijalnu misao. A imaš i Medvedeva koji jednom nedeljno napomene da će ih Amerika naterati da odbrambeno bace nuklearku na teritoriju države koju su odbrambeno napali.

    Ali ne, ti si video anonimuse koji na tviteru kažu “na Moskvu” i to je sad najveći problem.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by MNE Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:06 pm

    ovaj, upravo si potvrdio moj post da postoji realna opasnost od toga
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:30 am

    Ovaj, ti si se žalio na one koji se pitaju a zašto da se Moskva ne denacifikuje krstarećim raketama. Ne smeta ti kad Rusi predlažu da se London malo Sarmatizuje - iako ova potonja pretnja dolazi od strane Putinovih trbuhozboraca.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:42 am

    poduže, ima svašta

    https://jacobin.com/2023/02/peace-ukraine-war-invasion-one-year-putin-zelensky


    ...
    While the escalatory dynamic of a few months ago carried the immediate risk of a nuclear catastrophe, today the war appears to be evolving into a bloody but static war of attrition, with nuclear escalation still a distinct possibility. Upcoming Russian or Ukrainian offensives may reverse this process, but with both sides stripped of the advantage of surprise and deploying most of their available military resources, a radical shift currently seems doubtful. At immense cost on both sides, Russian troops are gaining ground in Donbas, but slowly enough that fully conquering both Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts will take years and yield little but a bombed-out “lunar landscape.”

    Western tank shipments to Ukraine won’t be fully deployed for months and are unlikely to fundamentally alter this stalemate. For both Putin and Zelensky, this turn in the nature of the fighting is unwelcome. On one hand, long wars of aggression that fail to achieve real victories may rebound against their initiator, though the political cost can take years to become apparent. On the other, if Ukraine is to win the war rather than merely not lose it — and according to Zelensky, that would require recapturing Crimea and the Donbas — it will have to redouble the superhuman exertions of 2022 against an enemy who has had time to entrench and consolidate, amidst an accelerating socioeconomic downward spiral. Meanwhile, all over the post-Soviet space, the war is revealing unpredictable new contradictions and widening familiar old ones.

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    Below the geopolitical level, Putin believes he is waging war on behalf of “ethnic Russians” in Ukraine. Traditional distinctions between Russian ethnicity (russkii) and citizenship (rossiiskii) have faded away on both sides, but it is clear that Russian decision-makers imagined a more or less cohesive group of supporters roughly coterminous with 2010 Yanukovych voters. These are the people whose “genocide” they claim to be preventing, whose right to learn and use the Russian language they defend as imperiled, the victims of Lenin’s allegedly illicit fabrication of a Ukrainian state — and potential collaborators in any favorable political transformation Russia may want to engineer.

    For this community, Putin’s solicitude has become an apocalyptic disaster. To the extent that they exist as a coherent group at all, Russian speakers have been the war’s greatest victims. The overwhelming majority of the fighting, and the attendant destruction of homes and refugee displacement, has taken place in historically Russian-speaking regions. Western Ukraine — the region with the shortest history of Russian control and the least sympathetic to Russian culture — has suffered less, though it is far from unscathed.

    As a result, Ukraine’s political geography, especially the famous east-west split, is rapidly homogenizing. Twelve years ago, most eastern and southern Ukrainians saw the future of Ukraine as a sovereign and geopolitically independent state with close economic and cultural ties to Russia as well as Europe, which would retain some degree of official recognition for the Russian language and maintain its traditional ambivalence toward the Soviet legacy. The series of escalations that began after the Maidan uprising in 2013–14 has left little space for this position, which has come to seem tantamount to Putinism.

    In the wartime context, the political parties representing it, such as For Life, the second-place finisher in the 2019 parliamentary elections, have all been banned, even when they opposed the invasion. Putin’s failed attempt to impose a pro-Russian choice on Ukrainians has instead produced the opposite effect. There is no longer any organized opposition to a cultural agenda that promotes the removal of the Russian language from government and education, the repudiation of the Soviet Union, and the celebration of right-wing national heroes like Stepan Bandera and the Nazi captain and pogromist Roman Shukhevych. Ukrainian society has consolidated around a vision of its identity created in the unrussified west of the country, though its exact contours are still being determined.

    Still, Russian speakers in Ukraine at least retain some agency within the formal political system. In Russian-occupied Ukrainian territories, they have none at all. Since 2014, referenda carried out effectively at gunpoint have authorized far-reaching political changes, with barely any semblance even of the pseudodemocratic system in Russia itself. From Donetsk to Melitopol, any attempt to protest or modify the terms of Russian control is met with police surveillance, repression, abduction, and torture.

    The results are evident. Moscow has long since sidelined or eliminated the local activist core that provided the initial impetus for the LPR and DPR, replacing them with corrupt but subservient functionaries. Donetsk’s current leader, Denis Pushilin (locally nicknamed “Penis Dushilin” from the Russian for “strangler”), is far more interested in demonstrating his usefulness to superiors in Moscow than advocating for his own compatriots. By conservative estimates, some twenty thousand Russian troops had been killed in action by late 2022, while the DPR and LPR together lost about five thousand. This means that Donetsk and Luhansk have a per capita casualty rate ten times higher than Russia as a whole. Approximately one out of every three hundred male DPR residents has been killed in action, a figure that begins to approach the rate of Iranian casualties in the Iran-Iraq War, which lasted eight years.
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    Though they are hardly the Nazi drug addicts depicted in Putin’s tirades, the president and his party, Servant of the People, represent the right wing of the European neoliberal consensus; their affiliation with the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe in the European Parliament signals their affinities with Emmanuel Macron and other European rightists.

    Zelensky’s party has pushed through laws that have effectively destroyed the right to collective bargaining as well as other labor protections in Ukraine. It has also implemented pension law reforms billed as “decommunizing” the social welfare system but in fact amounting to radical cutbacks. Both plans were drafted well before the Russian invasion, but the wartime state of emergency has greatly aided the party’s ability to implement its agenda — whose anti-labor animus has even run afoul of the normally moderate International Labour Organization. Instead of labor rights and social welfare, Zelensky and his advisors promote “smartphone courts” (a joint venture with Amazon) and other public-private partnerships. In effect, they see postwar Ukraine as a gigantic special economic zone on the fringes of Europe, where weak labor protections and lack of tariff barriers will incentivize investment from European multinationals.

    There is no longer any credible parliamentary opposition to this agenda, in part because every party on Ukraine’s political left has been banned based on largely unproven claims of collaboration with Russia. Zelensky was able to secure overwhelming majorities for his reforms because deputies from these parties remain in parliament, now especially vulnerable to political pressure. It is true that these parties were in fact pro-Russian and their politics were often incoherent. For instance, the leader of the Socialist Party from 2017 to 2019 began as a regional boss in the neo-Nazi and anti-Russian Right Sector organization, but now lives outside of Moscow and has called on Putin to nuke Ukraine.

    The vision of society they represented was, at best, socially conservative and nostalgic rather than progressive or left-wing in any meaningful sense. In the Ukrainian context, however, the firm linkage between pro-Russian (or pro-peace) views and welfarist politics has meant that when the Russian invasion discredited the former, the latter lost out, too. The banned parties were the main electoral force defending welfare state institutions inherited from the Soviet era, and their disappearance has facilitated far-reaching neoliberal restructuring.
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    Despite the excision of LGBTQ people from the media and the concentration of economic assets in the hands of state-linked power elites, Russia is no more a civilizational alternative to neoliberal Western capitalism than Poland, which has comparable levels of religiosity and social conservatism. On issues like abortion, Russia has more liberal legislation and public opinion than most US states. The minority of Russians who are most invested in an anti-liberal civilizational vision — for instance, some segments of the far right and the red-brown followers of the late Eduard Limonov — are continually subjected to police repression by the Russian state, which fears any political activism not channeled through top-down institutions.

    As for the rest of the population, there may be plenty of YouTube interviews where people on the street dutifully recite the propaganda clichés they hear on television, but for most Russians the important conflicts in their lives take place at home and in the workplace rather than in the assembly halls of world governing bodies. Russia’s capitalist economic order and escalating climate of political repression has only served to encourage this tendency to turn toward private life and leave public affairs to those who monopolize them. This is why opinion polls about support for the war are misleading, and comparisons to Stalin’s role in World War II and invocations of “totalitarianism” are even more baseless. Stalinism was rooted in its ability to mobilize enormous masses of the population, while Putinism demobilizes them. As a result, even after a year of war, Putin has failed to convince his people that victory in the conflict is a matter of life and death. He would have had to be a different kind of ruler.

    This has forced the state to tread carefully in calibrating wartime demands to the expectations of its population. Until January, thousands were being prosecuted for referring to the “special military operation” as a war. Though this may still be illegal, Putin has now started using the word himself. While Russia’s partial mobilization in the fall seemed at first to represent a watershed moment, the situation has largely reverted to the mean — except for the emigration of hundreds of thousands of people, many of them educated professionals, who are forming yet another generation of Russian exiles who may never return to their homeland.

    Those Russians who remain are watching fewer political talk shows, and no flood of volunteers for the front has appeared at recruiting stations. Civil-society support for the troops mostly amounts to donation campaigns. The situation is reminiscent of the United States after the Iraq invasion, but with much weightier emotional consequences, owing to the heavier casualty toll and the rupture of long-standing social and familial ties. Literal or metaphorical escapism is one solution, psychiatry another. Spending on antidepressants grew massively in 2022. Those who actively oppose the war remain as much of a minority as active supporters, however, and police crackdowns mean that they are either already exceptionally skilled at evading arrest or are politically unorganized. Someone who throws a Molotov cocktail at a recruiting station may be a neo-Nazi, an anarchist, or simply a random, fed-up pensioner.

    For elites, everything is different. Those of Putinism’s beneficiaries who have expressed anything short of full-throated support for the war have become alarmingly accident-prone. After safely offshoring their wealth, others have renounced all ties to the regime and attempted to integrate into new societies in Europe or Israel, cleansed of the moral stain of Russianness. As in the reign of Peter the Great or the Stalinist Great Terror, places among the elite left vacant one way or another seldom remain so for long. For every aspiring minister or oligarch, the war offers an opportunity to climb a treacherous career ladder.
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    In the long run, the war will end only after both societies have become too exhausted to fight any further, when immediate peace and reconstruction become more urgent than the more exalted ideological ambitions of the combatants. If Ukraine does manage to recover its lost territories, it will have to develop a more inclusive vision of its nationhood that offers collaborators forgiveness and reconciliation rather than punishment — a way to win back its citizens and not just the land they happen to live on.

    If it does not regain them, it will have to learn to redefine itself to accommodate their loss. Putin is likely too old to change his mind about the threat of Euro-Atlantic expansion and the future of Russian great-power nationalism, but his successors, whether they are his venal and bloodthirsty henchmen or the avatars of a hypothetical future wave of mass anti-Putin politicization, will have to accept the diminution of Russia’s standing even in its own former empire. This outcome will not be a draw but a defeat: the failure of Putin’s effort to resist the growth of US power by means of militarized great-power nationalism. Russia’s loss will not change the fact that its principal victims are millions of innocent Ukrainians. This is why war is so bad — for everyone, so far, except Lockheed Martin, Yevgeny Prigozhin, and the ghost of Roman Shukhevych.
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    Post by Jack Palance Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:42 am

    Notxor wrote:Realno.
    Hirošimanagasaki je junik kejs, a sve posle bi bilo povraćanje na junik kejs, pa je zato sad odvraćanje.
    Realno tada je Japan napao SAD, a i sa SSSR je bio u ratu, te se zato Staljin nije bunio protiv atomke. 
    Rusiju sada nije napao niko. Ona je agresor.


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    Post by Notxor Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:06 am

    Sve tačno, nego kad završi ovo u Ukrajini da li NATO prvo oslobađa Tibet ili severni Kipar?


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:15 am

    Notxor wrote:Sve tačno, nego kad završi ovo u Ukrajini da li NATO prvo oslobađa Tibet ili severni Kipar?

    A da prvo sačekamo da završi rat u Ukrajini? Za sad ni Kipar ni Tibet nisu napadnuti niti NATO priprema i istovremeno opovrgava pokretanje SVO na Tibetu i Kipru. Mada možemo i o tome, možemo i o poljskom uletu u Ukrajinu, o ukrajinsko/rumunskom uletu u Pridnjestrvolje jer sve to samo što nije. A tek zli kapitalizam šta radi svijetu, a tek jadna Rusija koja postojano kano klisurine stoji ispred tog zla, deset topika da otvorimo i drvimo dok slova ne počnu da padaju sa ekrana.


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    Post by Zus Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:16 am

    Notxor wrote:Sve tačno, nego kad završi ovo u Ukrajini da li NATO prvo oslobađa Tibet ili severni Kipar?

    Severnu Koreju, to bar nije sporno
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    Post by kondo Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:40 am

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Notxor wrote:Sve tačno, nego kad završi ovo u Ukrajini da li NATO prvo oslobađa Tibet ili severni Kipar?

    A da prvo sačekamo da završi rat u Ukrajini? Za sad ni Kipar ni Tibet nisu napadnuti niti NATO priprema i istovremeno opovrgava pokretanje SVO na Tibetu i Kipru. 

    Kako misliš da Tibet i Kipar nisu napadnuti?


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    Post by Notxor Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:45 am

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Notxor wrote:Sve tačno, nego kad završi ovo u Ukrajini da li NATO prvo oslobađa Tibet ili severni Kipar?

    A da prvo sačekamo da završi rat u Ukrajini? Za sad ni Kipar ni Tibet nisu napadnuti niti NATO priprema i istovremeno opovrgava pokretanje SVO na Tibetu i Kipru. Mada možemo i o tome, možemo i o poljskom uletu u Ukrajinu, o ukrajinsko/rumunskom uletu u Pridnjestrvolje jer sve to samo što nije. A tek zli kapitalizam šta radi svijetu, a tek jadna Rusija koja postojano kano klisurine stoji ispred tog zla, deset topika da otvorimo i drvimo dok slova ne počnu da padaju sa ekrana.

    Ovo što ti nabrajaš kao primere se nije desilo. Kineska vojska jeste na Tibetu, kao i turska na pola Kipra, pa ne vidim da se neko sekira zbog toga.
    "Sutra" kad Srbija uđe u NATO kralju Danilu Vučiću može da padne na pamet da interveniše na Kosovu, a ja bih da se to svakako izbegne, najbolje nekim primerom... oslobađanjem severnog Kipra?


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