Filozofski fragmenti
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Wittgenstein’s Handles
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super.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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"We don't need a big brain, we need big and strong connections between brains. We need something to keep us together." - Brian Eno
( http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-have-our-brains-started-to-shrink/ )
( http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-have-our-brains-started-to-shrink/ )
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[size=38]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Extended_Mind[/size]Indy wrote:[size=38]"We don't need a big brain, we need big and strong connections between brains. We need something to keep us together." - Brian Eno[/size]
[size=38]( [/size][size=38]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-have-our-brains-started-to-shrink/ )[/size]
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http://www.emersoncentral.com/manreform.htmSee this wide society of laboring men and women. We allow ourselves to be served by them, we live apart from them, and meet them without a salute in the streets. We do not greet their talents, nor rejoice in their good fortune, nor foster their hopes, nor in the assembly of the people vote for what is dear to them. Thus we enact the part of the selfish noble and king from the foundation of the world. See, this tree always bears one fruit. In every household, the peace of a pair is poisoned by the malice, slyness, indolence, and alienation of domestics. Let any two matrons meet, and observe how soon their conversation turns on the troubles from their "_help_," as our phrase is. In every knot of laborers, the rich man does not feel himself among his friends, — and at the polls he finds them arrayed in a mass in distinct opposition to him. We complain that the politics of masses of the people are controlled by designing men, and led in opposition to manifest justice and the common weal, and to their own interest. But the people do not wish to be represented or ruled by the ignorant and base. They only vote for these, because they were asked with the voice and semblance of kindness.
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WM, imaš ovaj Platonov odlomak pri ruci?
https://vasudeva.forumburundi.com/t748p175-djb-nrdule#128726
https://vasudeva.forumburundi.com/t748p175-djb-nrdule#128726
To ti je primer onog zanatlije iz Platonovih dijaloga na koji si me onomad podsetio.
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"The Fallacy of the Artisans"
Socrates found that men who did know things that he did not know -- various artisans [craftsmen] -- and who "to that extent were wiser than I was", also on that basis -- i.e. on the basis that they knew some things -- imagined that they also knew things that they did not know. And so Socrates asked himself "whether I would rather be as I was -- neither wise with their wisdom nor foolish with their foolishness [i.e. their presumption that they know what they don't know] -- or to possess both qualities [i.e. both wisdom and foolishness] as they did", and he answered that "it was best for me to be as I was". (ibid. 22d-e)
All tradesmen and professionals are prey to the foolishness of the artisans Socrates questioned -- i.e. of presuming that, because they know one thing, they also know other things that they do not know. That is "The Fallacy of the Artisans", and why philosophy seeks and requires humility (or, self-knowledge).
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That is I imagine an allusion to Plato's Apology 21d. But there may be a clearer statement apropos in Xenophon, followed below by two statements in the Socratic tradition.Query: failure of self-knowledge in the Apology.
He did not identify ignorance with madness, but not to know oneself and to presume one knows what one doesn't know, he put next to madness. (Xenophon, Memories of Socrates iii, 9, 6, tr. Marchant)
He only errs who thinks he knows what he does not know. (Augustine)
The difficulty in philosophy is to say no more than you know. (Wittgenstein, The Blue Book [1969] p. 45)
Odbrana Sokratova 22 d
http://www.sjsu.edu/people/james.lindahl/courses/Phil70A/s3/apology.pdfAt last I went to the artisans; I was conscious that I knew nothing at all, as I may say, and I was sure that they knew many fine things; and here I was not mistaken, for they did know many things of which I was ignorant, and in this they certainly were wiser than I was. But I observed that even the good artisans fell into the same error as the poets;, because they were good workmen they thought that they also knew all sorts of high matters, and this defect in them overshadowed their wisdom; and therefore I asked myself on behalf of the oracle, whether I would like to be as I was, neither having their knowledge nor their ignorance, or like them in both; and I made answer to myself and to the oracle that I was better off as I was.
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Thanks!
Kojim redom je najbolje čitati Ničea, po netu vidim da to nije hronološki? I koja izdanja i prevodi su najbolji/najverniji ako se čita na engleskom? Kakva su na sprskom u poređenju sa Kaufmann i Hollingdale prevodima?
Kojim redom je najbolje čitati Ničea, po netu vidim da to nije hronološki? I koja izdanja i prevodi su najbolji/najverniji ako se čita na engleskom? Kakva su na sprskom u poređenju sa Kaufmann i Hollingdale prevodima?
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Nisa puno čitao Ničea na srpskom, pa zaista ne znam. Ono što jesam, mislim da su prevodi korektni.
Što se tiče redosleda, na volju ti, teško da možeš mnogo pogrešiti, nije pitanju Kant, pa da mora sve po redu. Uobičajen put je preko Zaratustre, jer mu je to najliterarnije delo. Moj je put bio malo drugačiji, pa sam počeo sa Genealogijom morala, koja je verovatno jedna od njegovih teorijski najstrožijih knjiga. Odakle god da počneš, sumnjam da ćeš pogrešiti. Zavisi šta te najviše interesuje.
Pošto znam da voliš Šopenhaura, onda bi ti možda bilo zanimljivo da počneš sa ovim. To ima i hronološkog smisla, jer je u pitanju rani Niče, koji tek razvija sopstveni glas (tekst je o tome kako mu je Šopenhauer u tome pomogao, mada se vrlo malo bavi Šopenhauerom kao takvim).
Što se tiče redosleda, na volju ti, teško da možeš mnogo pogrešiti, nije pitanju Kant, pa da mora sve po redu. Uobičajen put je preko Zaratustre, jer mu je to najliterarnije delo. Moj je put bio malo drugačiji, pa sam počeo sa Genealogijom morala, koja je verovatno jedna od njegovih teorijski najstrožijih knjiga. Odakle god da počneš, sumnjam da ćeš pogrešiti. Zavisi šta te najviše interesuje.
Pošto znam da voliš Šopenhaura, onda bi ti možda bilo zanimljivo da počneš sa ovim. To ima i hronološkog smisla, jer je u pitanju rani Niče, koji tek razvija sopstveni glas (tekst je o tome kako mu je Šopenhauer u tome pomogao, mada se vrlo malo bavi Šopenhauerom kao takvim).
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Zaratustru će bolje razumeti preko Geneologije morala.
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Svakako, samo što se Zaratustra može čitati sa manje filozofskog predznjanja, kao književnost, pa otud i njegova popularnost.
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Sve zavisi šta hoćeš da dobiješ od Ničea. Možeš kako ti gore preporučuju, možeš odmah da udariš na Zoru i Volju za Moć, a ako slušaš 1 mene idi odmah na kratkog Antihrišćanina, kod nas pogrešno prevedenog kao Antihrist ( ) pa onda idi na ostalo.
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To ja na spisak? Staljinisti, vulgarno i rigidno redukovali Marksa.
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Да не заборавимо да је Хајнлајн измислио водени кревет.
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cousin for roasting the rakija
И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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Može li se solipsizmu naprosto reći „ne“?
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Nadam se da ne smaram, a i da smaram, stavljaću s vremena na vreme tekstove koji mi se svidjaju.
Jebem ti ne znam kako staviti PDF.
Izguglajte-Lajbnicova ontologija pomirenja Prole.
Jebem ti ne znam kako staviti PDF.
Izguglajte-Lajbnicova ontologija pomirenja Prole.
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badju o trampu i sandersu
http://mariborchan.si/video/alain-badiou/reflections-on-the-recent-election/
http://mariborchan.si/video/alain-badiou/reflections-on-the-recent-election/
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Ah, unlimited(tm) misao stize!
(Salim se... i svidja mi se poslednji pasus, ostalo cu da citam posle. Uvek pocnem od poslednjeg pasusa.)
(Salim se... i svidja mi se poslednji pasus, ostalo cu da citam posle. Uvek pocnem od poslednjeg pasusa.)
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i ja. inace ja mislim da svaka misao ima svoje limite. nisam mislio nista lose glede comskog. on je jednostavno suvise 'prosvetiteljski' za ovo doba 'endarkmenta'
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Pa, to je kao da si rekao da je caj od kamilice u doba masovnih prehlada.
(Ali, pretpostavljam da ti to sve gledas mnogo ozbiljnije i filozofskije. Ja samo hocu da cujem nesto sto potvrdjuje ono sto i inace mislim, a da pritom zvuci razborito. To me nekako tesi. Svakako od njega ne ocekujem da cujem bilo sta novo. Sta ce mi novo, ko ce to da procesira.)
EDIT. I ovo je upravo tako!
(Ali, pretpostavljam da ti to sve gledas mnogo ozbiljnije i filozofskije. Ja samo hocu da cujem nesto sto potvrdjuje ono sto i inace mislim, a da pritom zvuci razborito. To me nekako tesi. Svakako od njega ne ocekujem da cujem bilo sta novo. Sta ce mi novo, ko ce to da procesira.)
EDIT. I ovo je upravo tako!
...progressively, all the political oligarchy, all the political class, becomes the same group, at the level of the world itself. A group of people which is only abstractly divided: Republicans and Democrats, Socialists and Liberals, Left and Right, and so on. All that sort of division today is purely abstract and not real, because all that lies in the same economic and political background. This political oligarchy today in the Western world, is progressively losing control of the capitalist machinery — that is the reality. Across crises, false solutions, all classical political governments create, on a big scale, in their people, frustration, misunderstanding, anger, and obscure revolt. All that against what is the unique way proposed by all members of the political class today, with some differences, but some small differences. The exercise of politics today is the exercise of very small differences inside the same global way. But all that has many effects on people in general; effects of disorientation, total absence of orientation or direction of life, no strategic vision of the future of humanity, and in that sort of situation a big part of the people search in obscurity on the side of false novelties, irrational visions, and return to dead traditions, and so on. So, in front of political oligarchy, we have the apparition of new sort of activists, new supports of violent and vulgar demagogy, and these guys are much more on the side of gangsters and mafia than on the side of educated politicians. And so the choice here has been the choice between that sort of guy and the rest of the educated politicians, and the result has been the legal choice of the new form of political vulgarity and something subjectively violent in the political proposition.
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So, in front of political oligarchy, we have the apparition of new sort of activists, new supports of violent and vulgar demagogy, and these guys are much more on the side of gangsters and mafia than on the side of educated politicians. And so the choice here has been the choice between that sort of guy and the rest of the educated politicians, and the result has been the legal choice of the new form of political vulgarity and something subjectively violent in the political proposition.
Toeto.
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mora da se radi, filozofiranje nicemu ne vodi
pogotovo sto je leva misao u vecem kanalu od leve politike. misim ovo sto pisu badju i zizek, to su u najboljem slucaju banalnosti
pogotovo sto je leva misao u vecem kanalu od leve politike. misim ovo sto pisu badju i zizek, to su u najboljem slucaju banalnosti
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