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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:08 am

    Center for Defense Strategies: How likely is large-scale war in Ukraine? (analysis) (kyivindependent.com)

    In short, our conclusions are the following:

    - A full-scale invasion capturing most or all of Ukraine in the near future seems unlikely.
    - There are other threatening scenarios that may materialize.
    - Ukraine must remain calm and actively prepare for the defense of the country in any case.

    At the moment, there are not enough Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders and no fully formed military groups needed to conduct a strategic offensive against Ukraine.

    According to our estimates, supported by many of the indicators below, a large-scale general military operation can’t take place for at least the next two or three weeks.

    As of Jan. 23, we do not observe the required formation of several hundred thousand troops, not only on the border with Ukraine, but also on Russian territory behind the front line.

    Besides, we do not see the creation of strategic reserve units, nor the mobilization of the necessary connections and units on the basis of the centers for mobilization deployment.

    Russian troops move mainly as battalion tactical groups (mechanized, tank and airborne troops) and tactical groups (artillery, multiple launch missile systems).

    Russia hasn’t completed the formation of groups of troops in operational areas. It also hasn’t established and tested its wartime administration system.

    If Russia was conducting preparations for a large-scale invasion, it would have been much more noticeable.

    Therefore, what we currently have is the military threat posed by about 127,000 Russian servicemen along Ukraine’s borders, in the occupied territories of eastern Ukraine, and in Crimea. This number has not increased since April, and is not enough for a full-scale offensive.

    In general, according to experts, all the critical indicators and intelligence indicators that characterize the completion of the Russian army’s preparations for a large-scale offensive strategic operation have not yet emerged.

    To sum up, Russia is currently short of forces and resources to carry out a large-scale operation, and does not demonstrate the necessary concentration of all available combat-ready forces, which requires time and a significant amount of measures and resources.

    In general, a large-scale Russian offensive operation against Ukraine in 2022 seems unlikely according to many indicators, even judging by purely military requirements.

    Firstly, this is evidenced by a lack of the required number of troops for such an operation, which should be in the hundreds of thousands of trained military contractors capable of participating in active hostilities against Ukraine.

    Secondly, there would be a need train and coordinate the newly formed military groups, and ensure a reliable system for managing them.

    Thirdly, there is the need to provide troops with weapons and military equipment, including ammunition, fuel and lubricants. This requires strategic reserves and reliable logistics, including in the occupied territories.

    Fourthly, there is Russia’s questionable ability to hold occupied territories amid national resistance, where the combat experience of many Ukrainians greatly surpasses that of Russian troops who fought in Syria, or in other armed conflicts in recent decades.

    Overall, a large-scale offensive operation with an attempt to hold large occupied territories is a gamble that has no chance of a positive outcome for Russia. It is impossible to calculate the course of such an operation, and when implemented, it will quickly move to an uncontrollable point.

    Given the dynamics, we see the possibility for the following scenarios, which can be implemented separately or concurrently:

    - A Hybrid invasion is the baseline scenario. It is already being implemented, and will be the primary option for any further options.
    This would consist of cyberattacks, which are already taking place, and the forecast is that they will intensify further. These would also be psychological operations, such as active disinformation, mass bomb threats at schools, subway systems, administrative offices, and other facilities, along with the spread of disinformation and other methods.

    Unfortunately, there is a very high probability of such an escalation.

    - In case of an increase of activity, critical infrastructure may be damaged or meddled with – power plants, mobile communications, internet, government communications, transport.
    The key goal of such operations is internal destabilization and demoralization of the population.

    The goal may also be to psychologically exhaust members of law enforcement, military, and the population as a whole due to the constant high threat level and periodic exacerbations. The level of escalation can be quickly increased. This can be both a basic form of hybrid warfare and a preparation for even more active hostilities.

    - A large-scale armed escalation in eastern Ukraine with the official entrance of the Russian armed forces into territories currently under occupation is very real. Attempts to break the Ukrainian lines and a general intensification of hostilities are possible.
    The reason for such an escalation may be a fabricated justification, such as a false-flag operation, which will result in the death of Russian citizens in the Kremlin-occupied territories or a terrorist attack “on behalf” of Ukraine.

    All these are provocations, and Ukraine does not plan any aggressive actions, but it can be blamed for anything convenient. This scenario is actively being discussed as a possibility by the governments of Ukraine’s partners.

    - A significant aggravation of the security situation in the Azov and Black Sea region, involving the blocking of the Kerch Strait and Ukraine’s sea routes, is also likely. This will hinder the country’s economic activity.
    These scenarios, which have been mentioned for the past two years, may include the occupation of Zmiyniy Island in the Black Sea, close to the Romanian border, or, for example, a group landing (or a demonstration of readiness to land) on the Black Sea coast to distract from or assist with other scenarios.

    - Carrying out terrorist attacks in Ukraine, primarily on critical infrastructure objects.
    Such a scenario could be carried out on several sites at the same time to spread panic among the population and distract the authorities.

    - Using Belarusian territory for the deployment of Russian troops, possibly on a permanent basis.

    Given the current movement of troops under the pretext of joint exercises, such a scenario is very likely. Troops stationed in Belarus can carry out various provocations and actions against Ukraine. The use of Russian troops stationed in Moldova’s occupied Transnistria region is also probable.

    Potentially possible missile or air strikes on military or critical infrastructure as part of preparations for a limited ground invasion and provoking a response from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, or as stand-alone measures to create panic among the population.
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:40 am

    Ukrajinci su stavili Milanovića na svoju zločestu listu (Mirotvorac), a Rusi : He cannot be called an ideological ally of Russian conservatives (for example, like all social democrats in Europe, he carries a “burden” like supporting gay marriages), but as far as skepticism towards America and unwillingness to quarrel with Russia is concerned, his approach is quite promising and does not meet mass resistance in Croatia. For Milanovic in the new, "anti-Atlantic" edition, it was not pensioners who actively voted for Zeman, but the largest cities in Croatia and young people. That is, his party and views on foreign policy have a future. And this gives a timid hope that Washington's plan to finally squeeze out Russian influence from the Balkans will not be fully implemented.
    Kolindu su nazvali 'spectacular blonde' Rat u Ukrajini - Page 8 1233199462



    https://www.dw.com/hr/tko-bi-mogao-popuniti-rusku-prazninu-u-isporuci-plina/a-60529514


    Nijemci se još ne moraju smrzavati, opskrba električnom energijom nije ograničena - jer su skladišta plina koji isporučuju tvrtke iz Norveške i Nizozemske i dalje popunjena gotovo do pola. No, ako bi Rusija, u slučaju eskalacije ukrajinskog sukoba, potpuno zatvorila dovod plina, onda bi se Europa a posebno Njemačka, suočile s ozbiljnim problemom. Rusija je s udjelom od 55 posto daleko najveći dobavljač plina u Njemačkoj, a slijede Norveška (30 posto) i Nizozemska (13 posto). To jasno pokazuje njemačku ovisnost o ruskom plinu.
    Tko bi mogao popuniti prazninu u hitnom slučaju? Norveška je već odbila. Iako, kako je rekao, ne može govoriti u ime energetskih kompanija, norveški premijer Jonas Gahr Støre je tijekom nedavne posjete Njemačkoj industrijskoj i trgovačkoj komori (DIHK) u Berlinu, izjavio: „Koliko ja znam, proizvodnja se trenutno odvija punim kapacitetom. Ako ne bude isporuka iz Rusije, mi ne možemo popuniti prazninu".
    Leonhard Birnbaum, šef energetskog diva e.on je u intervjuu za "Handelsblatt" rekao kako "SAD ne mogu kompenzirati prirodni plin iz Rusije svojim tekućim plinom LNG". U međuvremenu, Europska komisija pokušava smiriti situaciju: sustav za opskrbu EU-a plinom može se nositi s velikom potražnjom i prekidima dotoka u većini dijelova Europe, rekao je glasnogovornik EK. Međutim, morao je priznati da bi Europi moglo zatrebati "više uvoza" plina. Njemački ministar gospodarstva Robert Habeck smatra da je moguće dodatno povećati novostvorene kapacitete EU-a za proizvodnju tečnog plina.
    Kapaciteti u Nizozemskoj, Poljskoj i Italiji trenutno su iskorišteni samo 30 posto. "Kada bi se povećali na 100 posto, bilo bi moguće zadovoljiti ​​veliki dio potreba putem uvoza ukapljenog plina iz EU-a", rekao je za "Spiegel" ovaj političar Zelenih. Ali, pitanje cijene još nije uzeto u obzir. Energetska stručnjakinja Claudia Wellenreuther s hamburškog Instituta za međunarodnu ekonomiju (HWWI) ne vjeruje da će to uopće biti potrebno. Unatoč napetoj situaciji, ne predviđa probleme u opskrbi prirodnim plinom. "Ne samo da Njemačka ovisi o ruskom plinu, nego i Rusija ovisi o prihodima, dobivenih prodajom plina", rekla je ona za njemačku novinsku agenciju dpa. Slično na to gleda i direktorica Instituta za istočnu Europu Zois Gwendolyn Sasse. Prema mišljenju ove stručnjakinje, Rusija bi zaustavljanjem isporuka plina presjekla granu na kojoj sjedi, jer je Moskvi hitno potreban novac od prodaje plina.


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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:49 am

    Bleeding Blitva wrote:Ukrajinci su stavili Milanovića na svoju zločestu listu (Mirotvorac), a Rusi : He cannot be called an ideological ally of Russian conservatives (for example, like all social democrats in Europe, he carries a “burden” like supporting gay marriages), but as far as skepticism towards America and unwillingness to quarrel with Russia is concerned, his approach is quite promising and does not meet mass resistance in Croatia. For Milanovic in the new, "anti-Atlantic" edition, it was not pensioners who actively voted for Zeman, but the largest cities in Croatia and young people. That is, his party and views on foreign policy have a future. And this gives a timid hope that Washington's plan to finally squeeze out Russian influence from the Balkans will not be fully implemented.
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    https://www.dw.com/hr/tko-bi-mogao-popuniti-rusku-prazninu-u-isporuci-plina/a-60529514


    Nijemci se još ne moraju smrzavati, opskrba električnom energijom nije ograničena - jer su skladišta plina koji isporučuju tvrtke iz Norveške i Nizozemske i dalje popunjena gotovo do pola. No, ako bi Rusija, u slučaju eskalacije ukrajinskog sukoba, potpuno zatvorila dovod plina, onda bi se Europa a posebno Njemačka, suočile s ozbiljnim problemom. Rusija je s udjelom od 55 posto daleko najveći dobavljač plina u Njemačkoj, a slijede Norveška (30 posto) i Nizozemska (13 posto). To jasno pokazuje njemačku ovisnost o ruskom plinu.
    Tko bi mogao popuniti prazninu u hitnom slučaju? Norveška je već odbila. Iako, kako je rekao, ne može govoriti u ime energetskih kompanija, norveški premijer Jonas Gahr Støre je tijekom nedavne posjete Njemačkoj industrijskoj i trgovačkoj komori (DIHK) u Berlinu, izjavio: „Koliko ja znam, proizvodnja se trenutno odvija punim kapacitetom. Ako ne bude isporuka iz Rusije, mi ne možemo popuniti prazninu".
    Leonhard Birnbaum, šef energetskog diva e.on je u intervjuu za "Handelsblatt" rekao kako "SAD ne mogu kompenzirati prirodni plin iz Rusije svojim tekućim plinom LNG". U međuvremenu, Europska komisija pokušava smiriti situaciju: sustav za opskrbu EU-a plinom može se nositi s velikom potražnjom i prekidima dotoka u većini dijelova Europe, rekao je glasnogovornik EK. Međutim, morao je priznati da bi Europi moglo zatrebati "više uvoza" plina. Njemački ministar gospodarstva Robert Habeck smatra da je moguće dodatno povećati novostvorene kapacitete EU-a za proizvodnju tečnog plina.
    Kapaciteti u Nizozemskoj, Poljskoj i Italiji trenutno su iskorišteni samo 30 posto. "Kada bi se povećali na 100 posto, bilo bi moguće zadovoljiti ​​veliki dio potreba putem uvoza ukapljenog plina iz EU-a", rekao je za "Spiegel" ovaj političar Zelenih. Ali, pitanje cijene još nije uzeto u obzir. Energetska stručnjakinja Claudia Wellenreuther s hamburškog Instituta za međunarodnu ekonomiju (HWWI) ne vjeruje da će to uopće biti potrebno. Unatoč napetoj situaciji, ne predviđa probleme u opskrbi prirodnim plinom. "Ne samo da Njemačka ovisi o ruskom plinu, nego i Rusija ovisi o prihodima, dobivenih prodajom plina", rekla je ona za njemačku novinsku agenciju dpa. Slično na to gleda i direktorica Instituta za istočnu Europu Zois Gwendolyn Sasse. Prema mišljenju ove stručnjakinje, Rusija bi zaustavljanjem isporuka plina presjekla granu na kojoj sjedi, jer je Moskvi hitno potreban novac od prodaje plina.

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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:12 pm

    Šta će Rusima u JIE Srbi kad imaju Hrvate i Italijane da razbijaju jedno jedinstvo? Rat u Ukrajini - Page 8 2304934895



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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:21 pm

    Umesto drugog tvita trebalo je ovo:




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    U priopćenju ukrajinskog ministarstva vanjskih poslova navodi se kako Milanovićeve izjave vrijeđaju sjećanje na Ukrajince i strance koji su dali svoje živote za budućnost Europe. Izrazili su duboko razočaranje primjedbama predsjednika Hrvatske o članstvu Ukrajine u NATO-u i neadekvatnoj pomoći toj zemlji "u pozadini ruske agresije".

    "To je posebno u neskladu s univerzalnim vrijednostima i s obzirom na gorko iskustvo rata koje je prošao hrvatski narod", kažu.

    "Hrvatski predsjednik pokazao je prijezir i nezahvalnost prema pomoći koju su Ukrajina i Ukrajinci pružili Hrvatskoj tijekom njezine borbe za neovisnost, ali i prošlih godina tijekom borbe protiv razornih požara.

    No, uvjereni smo da je ta nezahvalnost osobna karakteristika i da se neće proširiti na hrvatski narod s kojim dijelimo prijateljstvo i međusobno poštovanje", stoji u priopćenju.

    "Izjave Zorana Milanovića ponavljaju ruske propagandne narative, ne odgovaraju dosljednom službenom stajalištu Hrvatske u podršci suverenitetu i teritorijalnoj cjelovitosti Ukrajine, nanose štetu bilateralnim odnosima i potkopavaju jedinstvo EU i NATO-a suočenih s aktualnim sigurnosnim prijetnjama u Europi.

    Ministarstvo vanjskih poslova Ukrajine traži javno odricanje od ovih uvredljivih izjava predsjednika Hrvatske te da se one ne ponavljaju. Veleposlanik Ukrajine također će poslati odgovarajuću notu u Zagreb", ističu.
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:23 pm

    Del Cap wrote:
    U priopćenju ukrajinskog ministarstva vanjskih poslova navodi se kako Milanovićeve izjave vrijeđaju sjećanje na Ukrajince i strance koji su dali svoje živote za budućnost Europe. Izrazili su duboko razočaranje primjedbama predsjednika Hrvatske o članstvu Ukrajine u NATO-u i neadekvatnoj pomoći toj zemlji "u pozadini ruske agresije".

    "To je posebno u neskladu s univerzalnim vrijednostima i s obzirom na gorko iskustvo rata koje je prošao hrvatski narod", kažu.

    "Hrvatski predsjednik pokazao je prijezir i nezahvalnost prema pomoći koju su Ukrajina i Ukrajinci pružili Hrvatskoj tijekom njezine borbe za neovisnost, ali i prošlih godina tijekom borbe protiv razornih požara.

    No, uvjereni smo da je ta nezahvalnost osobna karakteristika i da se neće proširiti na hrvatski narod s kojim dijelimo prijateljstvo i međusobno poštovanje", stoji u priopćenju.

    "Izjave Zorana Milanovića ponavljaju ruske propagandne narative, ne odgovaraju dosljednom službenom stajalištu Hrvatske u podršci suverenitetu i teritorijalnoj cjelovitosti Ukrajine, nanose štetu bilateralnim odnosima i potkopavaju jedinstvo EU i NATO-a suočenih s aktualnim sigurnosnim prijetnjama u Europi.

    Ministarstvo vanjskih poslova Ukrajine traži javno odricanje od ovih uvredljivih izjava predsjednika Hrvatske te da se one ne ponavljaju. Veleposlanik Ukrajine također će poslati odgovarajuću notu u Zagreb", ističu.
    E, a taj napad kremljofilije mu došao nakon posjete Krašu, pa je Plenović zaključio da je Milanović pretjerao sa šećerom i bombonima Rat u Ukrajini - Page 8 1233199462

    Neznam što će biti s energetskom politikom, negdi pišu da će ovo samo ubrzati zelenu tranziciju, ali izgleda da će se nastaviti s državnim intervencionizmom iz kovid-ere sad u energetsko-kriznu eru kroz subvencije i možda poreznu politiku ili kontrolu cijena, nemam pojma.


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    Post by disident Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:33 pm

    Mene zanima jel krenuo bataljon domacih nato kmetina na branik zapadne civilizacije?


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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:45 pm

    Tekst je zaključan, mrzi me da pravim nalog Rat u Ukrajini - Page 8 1143415371

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    Post by Janko Suvar Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:49 pm

    Посол США в РФ Джон Салливан в среду вечером привез в МИД письменный ответ Вашингтона на требования Москвы о гарантиях безопасности.


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    Post by disident Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:54 pm

    Janko Suvar wrote:Посол США в РФ Джон Салливан в среду вечером привез в МИД письменный ответ Вашингтона на требования Москвы о гарантиях безопасности.
    Tacno sam ocekivao da ce to biti tema obracanja americkog drzavnog sekretara


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    Post by disident Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:11 pm

    Veselo


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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:29 pm

    Jeste, baš se realno iščekivalo da će učine plezir Moskvi i odvrnu izmaštani vremeplov na 1997.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:50 pm

    - Ne!
    - Jel moze to napismeno?
    - Moze. [Vadi račun i hemijsku iz džepa i piše "Ne"]


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:51 pm

    Mislim, gluposti
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    Post by disident Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:51 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:- Ne!
    - Jel moze to napismeno?
    - Moze. [Vadi račun i hemijsku iz džepap i piše "Ne"]
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:28 am

    Ceo niz

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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:31 am

    Germany on Wednesday announced it's offering 5,000 helmets to Ukraine amid fears a Russian invasion is around the corner, in a move that was denounced by Kyiv's mayor as a "joke."

    "I received a letter from the Ukrainian embassy, requesting support with military equipment, helmets to be precise," Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht told reporters, per Reuters. "We will supply Ukraine with 5,000 helmets as a clear signal: We are at your side."

    But Vitali Klitschko, the mayor of the Ukrainian capital and a former professional boxer, said the offer left him "speechless."

    "The behaviour of the German government leaves me speechless. The defence ministry apparently hasn't realized that we are confronted with perfectly equipped Russian forces that can start another invasion of Ukraine at any time," he told the German tabloid Bild, as reported by Reuters.

    "What kind of support will Germany send next? Pillows?" Klitschko said.
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    Post by kondo Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:31 am

    gde ce NATO na ovu silu



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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:01 am

    Del Cap wrote:Ceo niz


    Ja mislim da to nije glup potez.
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:02 am

    Del Cap wrote:Germany on Wednesday announced it's offering 5,000 helmets to Ukraine amid fears a Russian invasion is around the corner, in a move that was denounced by Kyiv's mayor as a "joke."

    "I received a letter from the Ukrainian embassy, requesting support with military equipment, helmets to be precise," Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht told reporters, per Reuters. "We will supply Ukraine with 5,000 helmets as a clear signal: We are at your side."

    But Vitali Klitschko, the mayor of the Ukrainian capital and a former professional boxer, said the offer left him "speechless."

    "The behaviour of the German government leaves me speechless. The defence ministry apparently hasn't realized that we are confronted with perfectly equipped Russian forces that can start another invasion of Ukraine at any time," he told the German tabloid Bild, as reported by Reuters.

    "What kind of support will Germany send next? Pillows?" Klitschko said.

    Ovo liči na onu onu foru Radio Jerevana kad je u Poljskoj poplava, pa Rusi šalju voz koji nosi pomoć - pa u jednom vagonu kapice za plivanje, u drugom priručnici "Kako da naučim da plivam", i sve tako.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:05 am

    Pa da. Slede dzepni kuvari "Sta sve mozete pripremiti u kacigi dok ste u prirodi"
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:50 am

    As tension ratcheted up over Russia’s military buildup on its neighbour’s eastern border, state department spokesperson Ned Price said on Wednesday night that the Biden administration was “working with Germany” to ensure it could withstand the loss of the pipeline.

    “I want to be very clear: if Russia invades Ukraine one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward,” Price told National Public Radio. “I’m not going to get into the specifics. We will work with Germany to ensure it does not move forward.”

    Emily Haber, Germany’s ambassador to Washington, appeared to endorse a hardening of the position in comments on Thursday. She noted on Twitter that “the US and Germany jointly declared last summer: if Russia uses energy as a weapon or if there is another violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty, Russia will have to pay a high price.”

    The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, and the foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, also made this clear. “Nothing will be off the table, including Nord Stream 2,” Haber said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/27/nord-stream-2-gas-pipeline-wont-open-if-russia-invades-ukraine-says-us
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:43 pm

    Ovo o Zoki me razgalilo.
    That is, his party and views on foreign policy have a future.
    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 8 1233199462 Rusi stari šereti. Na stranu ovo o stranci, appeasement u Evropi ima ogroman potencijal, bit će mira za naše doba kolko voliš.
    Gleđe plina, zar ga Rusi neće prodavati Kini i Indiji u slučaju? Dočim bi nadoknada ruskog plina iz drugih izvora za Evropu bila pogubno skupa?


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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:05 pm

    biden ima genijalni plan da isporucuje tecni gas tankerima 

    na ovu zimu i skupocu, lol


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