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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:10 am

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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:46 am

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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:25 am

    Još jedna in vitro studija s pravim virusom - bez ikakve zaštite u pogledu dejstva antitela 6 meseci posle vakcinacije kod raznih dvodoznih kombinacija vakcina, kod tri doze osetno slabija zaštita nego protiv delte sa porastom broja uzoraka na nuli kako vreme odmiče.

    To ne znači da nema imuniteta protiv teške bolesti pošto njega ne obezbeđuju antitela, već T i B ćelije.

    Originalni tvitovi Sandre Cizek na nemačkom:
    https://twitter.com/CiesekSandra/status/1468465347519041539
    https://twitter.com/CiesekSandra/status/1468467089790877696
    https://twitter.com/CiesekSandra/status/1468470238438170626
     
    our first data for neutralization of Omicron versus Delta is done: 2x Biontech, 2x Moderna, 1xAZ / 1x Biontech after 6 months 0% neutralization with Omicron, also 3x Biontech 3 months after booster only 25% NT versus 95% with Delta. Up to 37 times the reduction in Delta vs. Omicron
    The monoclonal ABs imdevimab and casirivimab are - as expected - ineffective with Omicron
    The data confirm that developing a vaccine adapted for Omicron makes sense.
    These data cannot say anything about whether you are still protected against a severe course (keyword T-cells).
    Additional information: the experiments were carried out with a virus isolate (infectious virus), not with pseudoviruses.
     
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:08 am



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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:35 am

    Izrazito neoprezna i neodgovorna izjava Šeklera, kome je sve jasno za razliku od najvećih stručnjaka na svetu. Bilo bi dobro da je ovako ali i dalje ne znamo.

    https://rs.n1info.com/vesti/sekler-o-omirkonu-nema-kaslja-curenja-nosa-upale-pluca-lici-na-prehladu/?fbclid=IwAR3WONt4_umT026GO7ch1hqEDjH335_XgRHgdCXAnTBwQQzQwotnzk_mLHU
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:52 am

    +∞

    Iako imete ogorman broj novozaraženih, smrtnost se nije povećala i smatra se da je tri puta manja a možda i više. Kao kada imate izbore pa imate prve izborne podatke na malom uzorku, ovo jasno govori u kom pravcu idu trendovi, zaključio je Šekler.

    ...kod većinski preležalih i daleko mlađih nego na početku prošlog talasa u državi u kojoj je trenutno leto. Možda da ipak za dalekosežnije zaključke sačekamo preliminarne podatke o smrtnosti od omikrona po godištima, statusu preležavanja i vakcinalnom statusu i onda ih uporedimo s deltom kako bismo zaključili kuda će nas odvesti ovaj talas.

    Ključna stvar koja će odrediti hoće li omikron napraviti haos ili ne su ishodi kod nepreležalih koji nisu vakcinisani. Ako oni ne budu daleko blaži nego za deltu, sigurno će biti katastrofe u nekim zemljama.

    Čekaćemo par nedelja da se pojave prvi podaci o odnosu smrtnosti od omikrona kod nevakcinicanih i nepreležalih u odnosu na vakcinisane odnosno preležale odnosno preležale koji su uz to i vakcinisani. Mislim da će se pokazati ipak da i ovde vakcine smanjuju rizik nekoliko puta.
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:02 am

    Cousin Billy wrote:Izrazito neoprezna i neodgovorna izjava Šeklera

    Kad smo kod uljuljkivanja i uljuljkanosti populacije, Aleksija tamo:

    juce pomenem na poslu da nas moguce ceka novi talas pre kraja godine, i to krajnje odmereno, bez ikakve elaboracije. svi skoce na mene da mi objasne da je ovo zavrseno, da je virus oslabljen i da ne mracim.

    kako i ne bi, to je preovladjujuci stav nasih medija, a i strucnjaka bogami.

    ovaj talas cemo docekati jos manje spremni nego prethodne. iako je delovalo nemoguce.
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    Post by kondo Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:03 pm

    ja došo da vas pozovem da se raziđete posle šeklerove izjave, kad ono...


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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:06 pm

    Mogu samo ponovo da okačim ovo:

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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:40 pm

    slikovito, ali netačno

    ako je jednom našao razloge da pređe na evil side and they have cookies, nema više povratka nazad

    realno je mogao samo jednom da odvali 180
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:15 pm


    Fajzer i Biontek kažu da 3 doze neutrališu, 2 i dalje verovatno štite od teških oblika bolesti.
     
    PFIZER AND BIONTECH PROVIDE UPDATE ON OMICRON VARIANT
    Wednesday, December 08, 2021 - 06:54am

    - Preliminary laboratory studies demonstrate that three doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine neutralize the Omicron variant (B.1.1.529 lineage) while two doses show significantly reduced neutralization titers
    - Data indicate that a third dose of BNT162b2 increases the neutralizing antibody titers by 25-fold compared to two doses against the Omicron variant; titers after the booster dose are comparable to titers observed after two doses against the wild-type virus which are associated with high levels of protection
    - As 80% of epitopes in the spike protein recognized by CD8+ T cells are not affected by the mutations in the Omicron variant, two doses may still induce protection against severe disease
    - The companies continue to advance the development of a variant-specific vaccine for Omicron and expect to have it available by March in the event that an adaption is needed to further increase the level and duration of protection – with no change expected to the companies’ four billion dose capacity for 2022

    NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced results from an initial laboratory study demonstrating that serum antibodies induced by the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (BNT162b2) neutralize the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant after three doses. Sera obtained from vaccinees one month after receiving the booster vaccination (third dose of BNT162b2 vaccine) neutralized the Omicron variant to levels that are comparable to thoseobserved for the wild-type SARS-CoV-2 spike protein after two doses.
    This press release features multimedia. View the full release here: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211208005542/en/
    Sera from individuals who received two doses of the current COVID-19 vaccine did exhibit, on average, more than a 25-fold reduction in neutralization titers against the Omicron variant compared to wild-type, indicating that two doses of BNT162b2 may not be sufficient to protect against infection with the Omicron variant. However, as the vast majority of epitopes targeted by vaccine-induced T cells are not affected by the mutations in Omicron, the companies believe that vaccinated individuals may still be protected against severe forms of the disease and are closely monitoring real world effectiveness against Omicron, globally.
    A more robust protection may be achieved by a third dose as data from additional studies of the companies indicate that a booster with the current COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech increases the antibody titers by 25-fold. According to the companies’ preliminary data, a third dose provides a similar level of neutralizing antibodies to Omicron as is observed after two doses against wild-type and other variants that emerged before Omicron. These antibody levels are associated with high efficacy against both the wild-type virus and these variants. A third dose also strongly increases CD8+ T cell levels against multiple spike protein epitopes which are considered to correlate with the protection against severe disease. Compared to the wild-type virus, the vast majority of these epitopes remain unchanged in the Omicron spike variant.
    “Although two doses of the vaccine may still offer protection against severe disease caused by the Omicron strain, it’s clear from these preliminary data that protection is improved with a third dose of our vaccine,” said Albert Bourla, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pfizer. “Ensuring as many people as possible are fully vaccinated with the first two dose series and a booster remains the best course of action to prevent the spread of COVID-19.”
    “Our preliminary, first dataset indicate that a third dose could still offer a sufficient level of protection from disease of any severity caused by the Omicron variant,” said Ugur Sahin, M.D., CEO and Co-Founder of BioNTech. “Broad vaccination and booster campaigns around the world could help us to better protect people everywhere and to get through the winter season. We continue to work on an adapted vaccine which, we believe, will help to induce a high level of protection against Omicron-induced COVID-19 disease as well as a prolonged protection compared to the current vaccine.”
    While these results are preliminary, the companies will continue to collect more laboratory data and evaluate real-world effectiveness to assess and confirm protection against Omicron and inform the most effective path forward. On November 25, the companies started to develop an Omicron-specific COVID-19 vaccine. The development will continue as planned in the event that a vaccine adaption is needed to increase the level and duration of protection against Omicron. First batches of the Omicron-based vaccine can be produced and are planned to be ready for deliveries within 100 days, pending regulatory approval. Pfizer and BioNTech have tested other variant-specific vaccines as well, which have produced very strong neutralization titers and a tolerable safety profile. Based on this experience the companies have high confidence that if needed they can deliver an Omicron-based vaccine in March 2022. The companies have also previously initiated clinical trials with variant-specific vaccines (Alpha, Beta, Delta & Alpha/Delta Mix) and data from these studies will be submitted to regulatory agencies around the world to help accelerate the process of adapting the vaccine and gaining regulatory authorization or approval of an Omicron-specific vaccine, if needed. The companies have previously announced that they expect to produce four billion doses of BNT162b2 in 2022, and this capacity is not expected to change if an adapted vaccine is required.
    About the Pfizer-BioNTech Laboratory Studies
    To evaluate the effectiveness of BNT162b2 against the Omicron variant, Pfizer and BioNTech immediately tested a panel of human immune sera obtained from the blood of individuals that received two or three 30-µg doses of the current Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, using a pseudovirus neutralization test (pVNT The sera were collected from subjects 3 weeks after receiving the second dose or one month after receiving the third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. Each serum was tested simultaneously for its neutralizing antibody titer against the wild-type SARS-Cov-2 spike protein, and the Omicron spike variant. The third dose significantly increased the neutralizing antibody titers against the Omicron strain spike by 25-fold. Neutralization against the Omicron variant after three doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was comparable to the neutralization against the wild-type strain observed in sera from individuals who received two doses of the companies’ COVID-19 vaccine: The geometric mean titer (GMT) of neutralizing antibody against the Omicron variant measured in the samples was 154 (after three doses), compared to 398 against the Delta variant (after three doses) and 155 against the ancestral strain (after two doses). Data on the persistence of neutralizing titers over time after a booster dose of BNT162b2 against the Omicron variant will be collected.
    The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, which is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology, was developed by both BioNTech and Pfizer. BioNTech is the Marketing Authorization Holder in the United States, the European Union, the United Kingdom, Canada and other countries and the holder of emergency use authorizations or equivalents in the United States (jointly with Pfizer) and other countries. Submissions to pursue regulatory approvals in those countries where emergency use authorizations or equivalent were initially granted are planned.
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-provide-update-omicron-variant
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:39 pm

    Piše da su testirali mesec dana od treće, čisto sumnjam da nisu testirali i uzorke onih koji su buster primili ranije (pre 2 ili 3 meseca) pa došli do nepovoljnijih rezultata koje ne bi hteli da objave.

    I uglavnom, uvek ću pre verovati nezavisnim ispitivanjima nego onima koje obavljaju sami proizvođači, a onda saopštavaju samo one rezultate koji im odgovaraju.
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    Post by MNE Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:36 pm

    neutrališu kitu, eno su se na onoj žurci u eng pozaražavali 75% njih svi busterizovani
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:44 pm

    75%? Gde si to video?
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    Post by MNE Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:52 pm

    14 od 18, OK nisu svi bili busterizovani to sam izgleda pogrešno pročitao juče prekjuče

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    Post by MNE Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:29 pm

    MNE wrote:13.74
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    13.09% prosjek, pad za skoro 10%
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    11.23% prosjek, pad za 15%
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:43 pm

    SCG u kontra-ritmu
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:08 am

    Promena situacije u bolnicama u Gautengu (pokrajina koje je žarište širenja omikrona od samog početka i u kojoj se nalaze Johanezburg i Pretorija) za 10 dana (8.12 vs 28.11) :

    Trenutni broj hospitalizovanih: 1990 vs 747 (rast 166%)
    Na kiseoniku: 280 vs 117 (rast 139%)
    Na intenzivnoj: 179 vs 57 (rast 214%)
    Na respiratoru: 58 vs 23 (rast 152%)

    Umrlo u tih 10 dana: 124

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    Post by rumbeando Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:43 am

    Vaccine passports and work from home - New Covid rules in England to fight Omicron
    England will be moving to 'Plan B' in a bid to tackle the rising number of Covid-19 cases as the Omircon variant continues to spread throughout the UK.

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    Post by rumbeando Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:01 am

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    More than 40 people in the U.S. have been found to be infected with the omicron variant so far, and more than three-quarters of them had been vaccinated, the chief of the CDC said Wednesday. But she said nearly all of them were only mildly ill. (...)
    She said “the disease is mild” in almost all of the cases seen so far, with reported symptoms mainly cough, congestion and fatigue. One person was hospitalized, but no deaths have been reported, CDC officials said.
    https://apnews.com/article/ap-interview-coronavirus-omicron-rochelle-walensky-83c6607d1809a922ae0f892e22a5377f
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:06 am

    Omikron je dosad potvrđen u 56 zemalja, u još dve postoje sumnjivi slučajevi.

    https://newsnodes.com/omicron_tracker
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:05 pm

    U Britaniji je omikron 6.12. po svoj prilici bio na 6 posto uzoraka, to znači da je danas već na preko 10 posto.

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