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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:02 am

    Da vidimo šta kaže Umna Čifutkinja:


    Before they seize power and establish a world according to their doc­
    trines, totalitarian movements conjure up a lying world of consistency which
    is more adequate to the needs of the human mind than reality itself; in
    which, through sheer i magination, uprooted masses can feel at home and
    are spared the never-ending shocks which real life and real experiences deal
    to human beings and their expectations. The force possessed by totalitarian
    propaganda-before the movements have the power to drop iron curtains
    to prevent anyone's disturbing, by the slightest reality, the gruesome quiet
    of an entirely i maginary world-lies in its ability to shut the masses off
    from the real world. The only signs which the real world still offers to the
    understanding of t he unintegrated and disintegrating masses-whom every
    new stroke of ill luck makes more gullible-are, so to speak, its lacunae,
    the questions it does not care to discuss publicly, or the rumors it does not
    dare to contradict because they hit, although in an exaggerated and de­
    formed way, some sore spot.

    From these sore spots the lies of totalitarian propaganda derive the ele­
    ment of truthfulness and real experience they need to bridge the gulf between
    reality and fiction. Only terror could rely on mere fiction, and even the
    terror-sustained lying fictions of totalitarian regimes have not yet become
    entirely arbitrary, although they are usually cruder, more impudent, and, so
    to speak, more original than those of the movements. ( It takes power, not
    propaganda skill, to circulate a revised history of the Russian Revolution in
    which no man by the name of Trotsky was ever commander-in-chief cf the
    Red Army. ) The lies of the movements, on the other hand, arc much
    subtler. They attach themselves to every aspect of social and political life
    that is hidden from the public eye. They succeed best where the official
    authorities have surrounded themselves with an atmosphere of secrecy. In
    the eyes of the masses, they then acquire the reputation of superior "realism"
    because they touch upon real conditions whose existence is being hidden.
    Revelations of scandals in high society, of corruption of politicians, every
    thing that belongs to yellow journalism, becomes in their hands a weapon
    of more than sensational importance.

    The most efficient fiction of Nazi propaganda was the story of a Jewish
    world conspiracy. Concentration on antisemitic propaganda had been a
    common device of demagogues ever since the end of the nineteenth century,
    and was widespread in the Germany and Austria of the twenties. The more
    consistently a discussion of the Jewish question was avoided by all parties
    and organs of public opinion, the more convinced the mob became that
    Jews were the true representatives of the powers that be, and that the Jew­
    ish issue was the symbol for the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the whole
    system.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:16 am

    Pa onda horog:


    The effectiveness of this kind of propaganda demonstrates one of the chief
    characteristics of modern masses. They do not believe in anything visible,
    in the reality of their own experience ; they do not trust their eyes and ears
    but only their imaginations, which may be caught by anything that is at once
    universal and consistent in itself. What convinces masses are not facts, and
    not even invented facts, but only the consistency of the system of which
    they are presumably part. Repetition, somewhat overrated in importance be­
    cause of the common belief in the masses' inferior capacity to grasp and re­
    member, is important only because it convinces them of consistency in time.

    What the masses refuse to recognize is the fortuitousness that pervades
    reality. They are predisposed to all ideologies because they explain facts as
    mere examples of laws and eliminate coincidences by inventing an all­
    embracing omnipotence which is supposed to be at the root of every acci­
    dent. Totalitarian propaganda thrives on this escape from reality into fiction,
    from coincidence into consistency.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:21 am

    Nešto mi ne da da prekopiram i ostatak pasusa, jebi ga.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:23 am

    Daï Djakman Faré wrote:sorry to bust your bubble i da ti odlazem radovanje za neku iducu priliku, ali nikola je ipak 1 fizicar Topik za prave levičare - Page 2 3579118792
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    MA in philosophy and science. Good enough for me.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:49 am

    Летећи Полип wrote:Da vidimo šta kaže Umna Čifutkinja:


    Before they seize power and establish a world according to their doc­
    trines, totalitarian movements conjure up a lying world of consistency which
    is more adequate to the needs of the human mind than reality itself; in
    which, through sheer i magination, uprooted masses can feel at home and
    are spared the never-ending shocks which real life and real experiences deal
    to human beings and their expectations. The force possessed by totalitarian
    propaganda-before the movements have the power to drop iron curtains
    to prevent anyone's disturbing, by the slightest reality, the gruesome quiet
    of an entirely i maginary world-lies in its ability to shut the masses off
    from the real world. The only signs which the real world still offers to the
    understanding of t he unintegrated and disintegrating masses-whom every
    new stroke of ill luck makes more gullible-are, so to speak, its lacunae,
    the questions it does not care to discuss publicly, or the rumors it does not
    dare to contradict because they hit, although in an exaggerated and de­
    formed way, some sore spot.

    From these sore spots the lies of totalitarian propaganda derive the ele­
    ment of truthfulness and real experience they need to bridge the gulf between
    reality and fiction. Only terror could rely on mere fiction, and even the
    terror-sustained lying fictions of totalitarian regimes have not yet become
    entirely arbitrary, although they are usually cruder, more impudent, and, so
    to speak, more original than those of the movements. ( It takes power, not
    propaganda skill, to circulate a revised history of the Russian Revolution in
    which no man by the name of Trotsky was ever commander-in-chief cf the
    Red Army. ) The lies of the movements, on the other hand, arc much
    subtler. They attach themselves to every aspect of social and political life
    that is hidden from the public eye. They succeed best where the official
    authorities have surrounded themselves with an atmosphere of secrecy. In
    the eyes of the masses, they then acquire the reputation of superior "realism"
    because they touch upon real conditions whose existence is being hidden.
    Revelations of scandals in high society, of corruption of politicians, every
    thing that belongs to yellow journalism, becomes in their hands a weapon
    of more than sensational importance.

    The most efficient fiction of Nazi propaganda was the story of a Jewish
    world conspiracy. Concentration on antisemitic propaganda had been a
    common device of demagogues ever since the end of the nineteenth century,
    and was widespread in the Germany and Austria of the twenties. The more
    consistently a discussion of the Jewish question was avoided by all parties
    and organs of public opinion, the more convinced the mob became that
    Jews were the true representatives of the powers that be, and that the Jew­
    ish issue was the symbol for the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the whole
    system.
    E, ovako piše pravi filozof. Zagrada, pa u njoj 3 rečenice. Ko napiše članak/rad pitko i jasno, da mu umre keva.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:50 am

    Летећи Полип wrote:Nešto mi ne da da prekopiram i ostatak pasusa, jebi ga.
    Nemoj, ne treba.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:24 am

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    Daï Djakman Faré wrote:sorry to bust your bubble i da ti odlazem radovanje za neku iducu priliku, ali nikola je ipak 1 fizicar Topik za prave levičare - Page 2 3579118792
    Nije ovaj?
    https://www.ecsj2017.com/profile/nikola-zdravkovic

    MA in philosophy and science. Good enough for me.
    e jeste to je taj. sorry bio sam ubedjen da je fizicar.


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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:15 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:Sve je to super, samo gde je ta veza između tzv desnih teorija zavere i krupnog kapitala? Konkretno smo je utvrdili u vezi duvanske i industrije fosilnih goriva, što i nije nešto naročito teško. Ko finansira teoriju o globalnom kabalu pedofila, o Srbima narodu najstarijem, kemtrejlsima i slično? Koji su tu neoliberalni interesi u pitanju?


    Mislim, krenuli smo od kulina bana, dotakli se svega živog, osim onoga što smo na početku deklarisali kao temu. Loš je tekst, jer očajnički pokušava da ugura suparnički rogue narativ u sistemsku priču. A to ne ide jebi ga.
    Tekst govori kako se diskreditirala i podrivala znanost, koji su uzroci tome, međutim, došlo je i do paralelnih procesa, znači 'autohtone' teorije koje nemaju veze s interesima ali su prozvod iste metodologije, maltene tlo je plodno, one stihijski nikle.

    Drugim rečima, jednom kada se antinaučna bašta podrobno zalije, ne izviru samo planirani plodovi: antivakcionalni pokret, teorija zavere o 5G mreži i HAARP-u su najverovatnije „autentične“, samoorganizovane pojave, ali matrica njihovog nastanka i širenja u stopu prati antinaučna, desničarska uputstva koja je napisala duvanska, a do savršenstva razvila naftna industrija. Čak i onda kada ne povuku same obarač, one su pripremile i napunile pištolj, dale motiv i uperile prstom: eno ih krivci, države, regulacija, UN, oni su ti koji napadaju vaše slobode.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:28 pm

    Razumem, ali HAARP, 5G, Antivax teorije zavere u svojoj suštini nisu uperene protiv nauke, odnosno neke naučne istine. One su uperene protiv zlonamernih elita koje koriste visoku tehnologiju da bi dominirale nad stanovništvom. To je nešto sasvim drugo.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:23 am

    Sve si pogresio. Svi ti protesti su zapravo protesti protiv nauke. Ne postoji ni jedan naucnik, publikovani naucnik, koji ce da kaze da su antivakseri u pravu ili da je 5G stetan.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:23 am

    Kada kažeš da je 5G štetan, ti ne negiraš nauku, nego savesnu upotrebu nauke. Isto važi i za vakcine. Dakle, ne negiraju se naučne činjenice, već benevolentnost elita.


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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:40 am

    izvršili akviziciju i zadnjih nedelja imam predavanja 5G svaki drugi dan, iako je verovatnoća da ću se stvarno zanimati tom temom skoro nula

    kažu kina do kraja ove godine planira da ima 1.300.000 antena, za sada su negde između 600 i 700 hiljada

    voziš pustinjom, noć, ispred tebe se pale svetla, iza tebe se gase, saobraćajne nesreće će biti vest, ako se dese, sve živo pametno itd itd

    a mi snimamo seriju o mileševiću i čedi
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:56 am

    Pa to. Evropa diže bazne stanice u vazduh “jer je 5G štetan, jer elite”, a Kina punom parom ulaže u 5G infrastrukturu.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by ontheotherhand Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:38 am

    treba ukinuti automobile pa neće biti saobraćajnih nesreća
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:57 am

    ne treba
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    Post by паће Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:22 pm

    Talason wrote:ne treba

    Возаче...

    Јер, ако 30% несрећа узрокују пијани возачи, онда 70% узрокују трезни.
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    Post by ontheotherhand Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:39 pm

    Talason wrote:ne treba

    naravno, treba stalno uvećavati proizvodnju i popuniti svaki slobodni kvadratni metar prostora njima. sve ostalo je protiv progresa i modernosti i tehnologije!
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:43 pm

    ni to ne treba

    ja ne koristim auto, osim kada ne moram, ne vidim u čemu je tu problem
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    Post by ontheotherhand Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:52 pm

    osim kada moraš
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:57 pm

    naravno, a ti trošiš struju i još koješta da bi bio ovde, a ne moraš
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:01 pm

    Jesmo cancelovali AOC, jel neko popratio?
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    Post by паће Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:08 pm

    Bleeding Blitva wrote:Jesmo cancelovali AOC, jel neko popratio?

    It kind of  fucks itself to us live...
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    Post by ontheotherhand Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:09 pm

    Ima već diskusija dole na temi, kad već kažeš da ne vidš šta je problem. Automobili su fundamentalno promenili strukturu gradova i prostor-vreme, ne može prosto da se kaže nemoj da koristiš ako nećeš jer utiče i na ne-vozače, a i to što nekad moraš da koristiš je problem sam po sebi
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:13 pm

    ne znam šta to znači dole na temi, ali automobili nisu promenili ništa

    ja imam jedan u garaži u selu, kako sam ga ostavio pre 5 godina, tako stoji, bar da je okrečio
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    Post by ontheotherhand Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:08 pm

    kako nisu? Tehnološki izumi menjaju društvo na način koji primorava ljude da ih koriste ili da, ako ih ne koriste, trpe posledice njihovog uticaja.

    Prostor predviđen za automobile (putevi, parking, pumpe, garaže) zauzima ogroman prostor koji može da se koristi za nešto drugo.

    Zagađenje od proizvodnje svega u vezi njih. Nafta, guma, čelik, aluminijum, staklo, boje, plastika, i sad elementi za baterije.

    Ograničavanje slobode kretanja. Ne možeš više da ideš kuda hoćeš, ketanjem ti upravljaju rute i propisi za motorizovani transport  Od pojave motorizovanog transporta, struktura gradova se promenila tako da većina stanovništva više ne može da ide peške na posao, u školu, kupovinu ili na rekreaciju, njihov transport sada mora biti automobilski, ili moraju da koriste javni prevoz koji je opet pod uticajem kola.

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