Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

    VAKCINA

    Sotir

    Posts : 8696
    Join date : 2016-10-04

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Sotir Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:19 am

    То је већ друга прича, и слажемо се да ће добар део прележалих морати да се вакцинише.
    Али мислим да је сигурно да ће почетком пролећа ситуација бити драматично боља, можда пар десетина дневно.
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:46 am

    Argentinska iskustva s ruskom vakcinom:

    Argentina reported 317 adverse cases in those vaccinated with Sputnik V

    EFE

    The Ministry of Health informed this Friday that 317 adverse events have been reported after the application of 32,013 doses of Sputnik V vaccine, in the first two days of the national vaccination campaign against covid-19 that Argentina started last Tuesday.

    These adverse events have been reported until 23.59 local time last December 30th to the Integrated Health Information System of Argentina (SIISA), according to the first vaccine safety surveillance report published today by the Ministry of Health.

    "44.2% of the reported ESAVIs (adverse events) correspond to people with fever, headache and/or myalgia initiated 6 to 8 hours after the vaccination," he explained.

    These events are related to the Sputnik V vaccine, added the report, which details that within the expected reactions, the following can occur: pain at the injection site, hyperemia, swelling. 

    And that within the systemic reactions, the following can occur: short-lived flu-like syndrome that starts within 24 to 48 hours (characterized by chills, fever, arthralgia, myalgia, asthenia, general malaise, headache) or less frequent gastrointestinal symptoms (nausea, dyspepsia, decreased appetite). 

    "These reactions have an average duration of 24 hours," he explained.

    Argentina began last Tuesday the process of simultaneous vaccination throughout the country, with the batch of 300,000 doses of the Russian vaccine Sputnik V received on Thursday of the previous week, which is applied to health personnel.

    The report published today informed that 18 of the 24 jurisdictions of the country have reported adverse events to SIISA.

    "99.3% of the reported events were mild and moderate, not requiring hospitalization and evolving with full recovery," he added.

    BEGINNING OF THE CAMPAIGN

    With some mistrust due to the lack of public dissemination of scientific information on the Russian vaccine, Sputnik V, Argentina applied the first dose, which should be completed after 21 days with the second component.

    The target population at this stage is health personnel of large urban agglomerations, health personnel of closed intensive care units and laboratory personnel, who handle the virus to make diagnoses.

    Argentina has committed 51 million doses, according to the contracts the country signed with AstraZeneca for 22.4 million doses, with the Russian Investment Fund for 20 million doses of Sputnik V vaccine and through the World Health Organization's COVAX Mechanism for 9 million doses. In addition, the country continues to negotiate to acquire vaccines from Pfizer, Sinovac and Sinopharm laboratories.

    Today the only vaccine available is the first dose of the Russian vaccine. The President, Alberto Fernandez, has said that Russia will deliver the second 300,000 doses in the first days of January, at the end of January 4 million of the first dose and 1 million of the second, and in February the remaining amount to finish vaccinating 10 million people.

    The intention is to continue in a next phase with vaccination of adults over 70 years of age; then adults between 60 and 69 years of age; the armed forces, security and prison services; teachers; and then other strategic populations.
    https://www.lostiempos.com/actualidad/mundo/20210101/argentina-reporto-317-casos-adversos-vacunados-sputnik-v
    (engleski prevod by Deepl)
    boomer crook

    Posts : 37661
    Join date : 2014-10-27

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by boomer crook Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:54 am

    dobro koliko ja razumem ovo su dobre vesti?


    _____
    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
    Anonymous
    Guest

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Guest Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:00 am

    Da. Vakcina je bezbedna. Dosta mute sa dokumentacijom ali to je izgleda do loše metode verifikacije a ne do kvaliteta vakcine.

    Dajte mi Sputnjika u oko.
    plachkica

    Posts : 16552
    Join date : 2014-11-06

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by plachkica Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:38 am

    dva sputnika!

    ♏

    Posts : 4836
    Join date : 2016-06-09
    Location : gotta have those beans

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by ♏ Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:35 am

    Sedam promila od manje od jedan odsto teških neželjenih reakcija... to su okej brojevi, da.
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:10 am

    Erős Pista

    Posts : 82754
    Join date : 2012-06-10

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Erős Pista Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:12 am

    WTF


    _____
    "Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."

    Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
    паће

    Posts : 41643
    Join date : 2012-02-12
    Location : wife privilege

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by паће Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:13 am

    Свашта. Шта је следеће, пенкало штампач да ради на мастило од другог произвођача?


    _____
       electric pencil sharpener is useless, electric pencils don't need to be sharpened at all
       И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:13 am

    The vaccine should be administered in 2 doses, a minimum of 28 days apart.
    Operationally, it is recommended that the second dose of both vaccines should be routinely scheduled between four and 12 weeks after the first dose. This will allow more people to benefit from the protection provided from the first dose during the roll out phase. Longer term protection will then be provided by the second dose.
    If an interval longer than the recommended interval is left between doses, the second dose should still be given (preferably using the same vaccine as was given for the first dose if possible).
    ...
    Therefore, every effort should be made to determine which vaccine the individual received and to complete with the same vaccine.
    For individuals who started the schedule and who attend for vaccination at a site where the same vaccine is not available, or if the first product received is unknown, it is reasonable to offer one dose of the locally available product to complete the schedule. This option is preferred if the individual is likely to be at immediate high risk or is considered unlikely to attend again. In these circumstances, as both the vaccines are based on the spike protein, it is likely the second dose will help to boost the response to the first dose.
    For this reason, until additional information becomes available, further doses would not then be required.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948757/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v4.pdf
    Nektivni Ugnelj

    Posts : 52540
    Join date : 2017-11-16

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:17 am

    Dobro ako kombinuju tipa AZ i SputnikV (sro sumnjam), ali kako ako je ta druga doza od vakcine potpuno drugog tipa, jel to moze?
    Sotir

    Posts : 8696
    Join date : 2016-10-04

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Sotir Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:25 am

    У Аргентини наводе да су две особе на 32 хиљаде вакцинисаних имале тежу реакцију, не наводе детаље.
    Лошије од Фајзера, али и даље добар резултат.
    Свега 1% је имало реакцију, што је одлично.

    Друга доза наводно изазива јачу реакцију.
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:48 am

    rumbeando wrote:Arkadija tamo:
    Kod nas u ustanovu je stgao dopis iz ministarstva da se izjasnimo o vakcinaciji Fajzerovom vakcinom. Rok do sutra. Jbt, kod mene ima 900 ljudi koji rade po smenama. Nema trika da se izjasni više od 100 ljudi. Pri tome, spisak za izjašnjavanje je kod mene u kancelariji, pa sam izložena teroru budala i idiotskih pitanja. Divim se sebi što sam upela da sačuvam zen stabilnost.

    Kod mene od 900 zaposlenih izjasnilo se 80.

    Neki neće Fajzerovu, ali nema smislenog odgovora zašto. Neki hoće, ali ne odmah, neki neće jer je to zavera. Da se ne lažemo, rok za izjašnjavanje je bio prektatak, a ove se radi u smenama, tako da mnogi nisu ni bili u ova 2 dana na poslu.

    Nastavak:
    Dat je ekstremno kratak rok za izjašnjavanje, kod mene ljudi rade u smenama. mnogi nisu bili na poslu. Pošto smo u četvrtak poslali traženi izveštaj, još je ljudi dolazilo, tako da se do kraja mog radnog vremena prijavilo nešto preko 100 ljudi. Onda smo se dogovorili da im pošaljemo još jedan izveštaj u utorak ili sredu, a po mojoj proceni tada će biti oko 200 potpisa. Mnogi su dolazili i pitali, da li mogu da se izjasne za neku drugu vakcinu, najčešće SputnjikV, tako da će sigurno biti i više zainteresovanih kada u opticaju bude više vrsta vakcina.
    bela maca

    Posts : 11340
    Join date : 2014-10-28

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by bela maca Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:58 am

    ovo si već šerovao


    _____
    most of us probably not getting better
    but not getting better together
    rumbeando

    Posts : 13817
    Join date : 2016-02-01

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:55 am

    Nastavak je današnji. Ljudi hoće Sputnjik, napunili su im glavu da je to tradicionalna vakcina iako koristi nereplikujući vektor (nikad nijedna odobrena vakcina to nije koristila), a ne deaktivirani (koriste ga kineske) ili oslabljeni virus.
    Erős Pista

    Posts : 82754
    Join date : 2012-06-10

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Erős Pista Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:50 pm

    I predsednikov otac odbija da primi bilo koju vakcinu osim ruske.


    _____
    "Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."

    Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
    boomer crook

    Posts : 37661
    Join date : 2014-10-27

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by boomer crook Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:58 pm

    gresna mi dusa mislim da je ovo za mucenog andjelka maskirovka.


    _____
    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
    Daï Djakman Faré

    Posts : 8349
    Join date : 2014-10-28
    Location : imamate of futa djallon

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:02 pm

    rumbeando wrote:


    _____
    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
    kapetanm

    Posts : 5854
    Join date : 2012-02-10

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by kapetanm Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:06 pm

    Meni je daj sta das
    avatar
    Korisnik
    Korisnik

    Posts : 4670
    Join date : 2015-02-17

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by ontheotherhand Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:45 pm

    Kratak pregled vakcina by Derek Lowe.

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/30/vaccine-roundup-late-december

    That situation in the UK appears to be one of the biggest factors driving the approval and rollout, and I see their point: this vaccine is indeed better than nothing, one shot for more people is likely to be better than two-shots-for-some, and it looks like they’re going to need all the help they can get. But “better than nothing” is a rough place to be. So what do we know about the efficacy of a single shot of the Oxford/AZ vaccine, and about the effect of waiting for a second one?

    All I can say is that attempts to answer those questions land you immediately in a confusing mess. It’s a mess made worse by AstraZeneca, whose CEO has made statements about the vaccine’s efficacy that are not (so far) backed up by actual numbers. If you’d like me to name a major drug company that’s going to come out of this pandemic looking worse, it’s them. Anyway, as you’ll recall, initially there was a hint that a lower first dose followed by a standard second dose might be more protective overall (although I don’t think the evidence for that is very strong at all, considering the statistical spread in the data). But now there’s a report that increased efficacy might be driven by an even longer wait between the two doses. I don’t find that evidence very compelling, either (we’re getting into some pretty small subgroups by this point, and that is always a dangerous area to draw conclusions from). And if you’re going to leave people walking around with a half dose at first, or a full dose but with a longer wait for the second one, it makes the question above even more crucial: how protective is one dose?
    Anonymous
    Guest

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Guest Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:19 pm

    ne znam čemu ovo, zvekneš vakcinu, ako nema štete super in onda vataš antitela, ako nema davaj sledeću

    nezadovoljan je što nema dovoljno podataka, pazi kurca u slamnatom šeširu
    kondo

    Posts : 28265
    Join date : 2015-03-20

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by kondo Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:43 pm

    taj ko da je naš odavde


    _____
    #FreeFacu

    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú

    Posts : 7675
    Join date : 2020-03-05

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:25 pm

    Sotir wrote:У Аргентини наводе да су две особе на 32 хиљаде вакцинисаних имале тежу реакцију, не наводе детаље.
    Лошије од Фајзера, али и даље добар резултат.
    Свега 1% је имало реакцију, што је одлично.

    Друга доза наводно изазива јачу реакцију.
    Si siguran? Kod tih dvodelnih vakciona je obično problem sa tom prvom, booster vakcinom.


    _____
    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
    Sotir

    Posts : 8696
    Join date : 2016-10-04

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Sotir Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:01 pm

    Негде скоро прочитао.
    Иначе су различите вакцине, није једна иста два пута.
    bemty

    Posts : 3849
    Join date : 2014-11-12

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by bemty Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:28 pm

    booster je naziv za drugu vakcinu, odnosno naredne vakcine. boostne ti imunitet koji si stekao s prvom


    _____
    Warning: may contain irony.

    VAKCINA - Page 33 Empty Re: VAKCINA

    Post by Sponsored content

      Similar topics

      -

      Current date/time is Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:22 pm