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    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:06 pm

    Kirko Skaddeng wrote:ne sumnjam da će Toma Mona dobiti vakcinu ilegalno, ali ako ja to budem mogao da uradim u aprilu kod privatnika, onda piši propalo, bićemo zdravi i imuni i živećemo u paklu.

    razmislite samo minut o socijalnim implikacijama situacije u kojoj 5% populacije vodi potpuno privilegovan život do nivoa osnovne fiziologije, a ostali se bore da ubede sebe da nema korone ili da nekako dođu do deficitarne vakcine.

    opšta i besplatna vakcinacija je pitanje svih pitanja sledeće godine. ona jednostavno mora biti sprovedena, to nema nikakvu alternativu.

    Ouvaaaj...
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:12 pm

    Btw, ja mislim da ce biti vakcina (ovih drzavnih). Ali mislum da ce ih ubrzo biti i privatno. Cela prica - bice i amrickih i ruskih i kineskih - mi na to mirise.
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    Post by kondo Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:17 pm

    Naravno, trziste at best.

    I da, nigde na planeti vakcina protiv kovida nece biti u funkciji klasnih razlika pa nece ni u Srbiji.


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    Post by bemty Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:14 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:
    Kirko Skaddeng wrote:ne sumnjam da će Toma Mona dobiti vakcinu ilegalno, ali ako ja to budem mogao da uradim u aprilu kod privatnika, onda piši propalo, bićemo zdravi i imuni i živećemo u paklu.

    razmislite samo minut o socijalnim implikacijama situacije u kojoj 5% populacije vodi potpuno privilegovan život do nivoa osnovne fiziologije, a ostali se bore da ubede sebe da nema korone ili da nekako dođu do deficitarne vakcine.

    opšta i besplatna vakcinacija je pitanje svih pitanja sledeće godine. ona jednostavno mora biti sprovedena, to nema nikakvu alternativu.

    Ouvaaaj...

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:25 pm

    паће wrote:Био би штос да се председник или неко званично лице које се често појављује у јавности у име Ковакса, презива Ковач и пише на мађарском.

    Амери би се нашли у добром збуњу.
    kako je tebi dobro...


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    Post by Guest Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:09 pm

    We Had the Vaccine the Whole Time
    By David Wallace-Wells

    You may be surprised to learn that of the trio of long-awaited coronavirus vaccines, the most promising, Moderna’s mRNA-1273, which reported a 94.5 percent efficacy rate on November 16, had been designed by January 13. This was just two days after the genetic sequence had been made public in an act of scientific and humanitarian generosity that resulted in China’s Yong-Zhen Zhang’s being temporarily forced out of his lab. In Massachusetts, the Moderna vaccine design took all of one weekend. It was completed before China had even acknowledged that the disease could be transmitted from human to human, more than a week before the first confirmed coronavirus case in the United States. By the time the first American death was announced a month later, the vaccine had already been manufactured and shipped to the National Institutes of Health for the beginning of its Phase I clinical trial. This is — as the country and the world are rightly celebrating — the fastest timeline of development in the history of vaccines. It also means that for the entire span of the pandemic in this country, which has already killed more than 250,000 Americans, we had the tools we needed to prevent it.

    To be clear, I don’t want to suggest that Moderna should have been allowed to roll out its vaccine in February or even in May, when interim results from its Phase I trial demonstrated its basic safety. “That would be like saying we put a man on the moon and then asking the very same day, ‘What about going to Mars?’ ” says Nicholas Christakis, who directs Yale’s Human Nature Lab and whose new book, Apollo’s Arrow, sketches the way COVID-19 may shape our near-term future. Moderna’s speed was “astonishing,” Christakis says, though the design of other vaccines was nearly as fast: BioNTech with Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, AstraZeneca.

    Could things have moved faster from design to deployment? Given the grim prospects for winter, it is tempting to wonder. Perhaps, in the future, we will. But given existing vaccine infrastructure, probably not. Already, as Baylor’s Peter Hotez pointed out to me, “Operation Warp Speed” meant running clinical trials simultaneously rather than sequentially, manufacturing the vaccine at the same time, and authorizing the vaccine under “emergency use” in December based only on preliminary data that doesn’t track the long-term durability of protection or even measure the vaccine’s effect on transmission (only how much it protects against disease). And as Georgetown virologist Angela Rasmussen told me, the name itself may have needlessly risked the trust of Americans already concerned about the safety of this, or any, vaccine. Indeed, it would have been difficult in May to find a single credentialed epidemiologist, vaccine researcher, or public-health official recommending a rapid vaccine rollout — though, it’s worth noting, as early as July the MIT Technology Review reported that a group of 70 scientists in the orbit of Harvard and MIT, including “celebrity geneticist” George Church, were taking a totally DIY nasal-spray vaccine, never even intended to be tested, and developed by a personal genomics entrepreneur named Preston Estep (also the author of a self-help-slash-life-extension book called The Mindspan Diet). China began administering a vaccine to its military in June. Russia approved its version in August. And while most American scientists worried about the speed of those rollouts, and the risks they implied, our approach to the pandemic here raises questions, too, about the strange, complicated, often contradictory ways we approach matters of risk and uncertainty during a pandemic — and how, perhaps, we might think about doing things differently next time. That a vaccine was available for the entire brutal duration may be, to future generations trying to draw lessons from our death and suffering, the most tragic, and ironic, feature of this plague.

    For all of modern medical history, Christakis writes in Apollo’s Arrow, vaccines and cures for infectious disease have typically arrived, if they arrive, only in the end stage of the disease, once most of the damage had already been done and the death rate had dramatically declined. For measles, for scarlet fever, for tuberculosis, for typhoid, the miracle drugs didn’t bring rampant disease to a sudden end — they shut the door for good on outbreaks that had largely died out already. This phenomenon is called the McKeown hypothesis — that medical interventions tend to play only a small role compared to public-health measures, socioeconomic advances, and the natural dynamics of the disease as it spreads through a population. The new coronavirus vaccines have arrived at what counts as warp speed, but not in time to prevent what CDC director Robert Redfield predicts will be “the most difficult time in the public-health history of this nation,” and do not necessarily represent a reversal of the McKeown hypothesis: The country may still reach herd immunity through natural disease spread, Christakis says, at roughly the same time as the rollout of vaccines is completed. Redfield believes there may be 200,000 more American deaths to come. This would mean what Christakis calls a “once-in-a-century calamity” had unfolded start-to-finish between the time the solution had been found and the time we felt comfortable administering it. A half a million American lives would have been lost in the interim. Around the world, considerably more.

    In weighing other risks and uncertainties, Americans have been much less cautious, and not just in the case of marching maskless into Wal-Marts. On March 28, on what would normally be considered very thin evidentiary ground, the FDA issued an emergency-use authorization for the drug hydroxychloroquine. On May 1, it issued an EUA for remdesevir. On August 23, it issued another for convalescent plasma (the practice of injecting antibodies from the blood of recovered patients into those sick with the disease). These were all speculative authorizations — gambles, without concrete evidence, that existing treatments which scientists and doctors had some reason to suspect might help with the treatment of COVID-19 would be both safe and effective. All of these bets were lost. None of them, in the end, proved effective. Hydroxychloroquine, famously, proved dangerous, too, increasing risk of death in patients receiving it. Just one drug, the steroid dexamethasone, has proven to be a worthwhile treatment for COVID-19 in a randomized control trial — though given too early, it too can be dangerous. And at least some of the threefold decline in COVID-19 fatality rates observed over the spring and summer, the University College of London disease geneticist Francois Balloux told me recently, can be attributed to doctors no longer trying so many experimental treatments and focusing instead on the basic, old-fashioned job of simply keeping patients alive.

    The treatment dilemmas facing physicians and patients in the early stages of a novel pandemic are, of course, not the same as the dilemma of rushing a new vaccine to a still-healthy population — we defer to the judgment of desperate patients, with physicians inclined to try to help them, but not to the desires of vaccine candidates, no matter how desperate. An unsafe vaccine, like the one for polio that killed ten and paralyzed 200 in 1955, could cause medical disaster and public-health backlash — though, as Balloux points out, since none of the new coronavirus vaccines use real viral material, that kind of accident, which affected one in a thousand recipients, would be impossible. (These days, one adverse impact in a million is the rule-of-thumb threshold of acceptability.) An ineffective vaccine could also give false security to those receiving it, thereby helping spread the disease by providing population-scale license to irresponsible behavior (indoor parties, say, or masklessness). But on other matters of population-level guidance, our messaging about risk has been erratic all year, too. In February and March, we were warned against the use of masks, in part on the grounds that a false sense of security would lead to irresponsible behavior — on balance, perhaps the most consequential public-health mistake in the whole horrid pandemic. In April, with schools already shut, we closed playgrounds. In May, beaches — unable or unwilling to live with even the very-close-to-zero risk of socializing outside (often shaming those who gathered there anyway). But in September, we opened bars and restaurants and gyms, inviting pandemic spread even as we knew the seasonality of the disease would make everything much riskier in the fall. The whole time, we also knew that the Moderna vaccine was essentially safe. We were just waiting to know for sure that it worked, too.

    None of the scientists I spoke to for this story were at all surprised by either outcome — all said they expected the vaccines were safe and effective all along. Which has made a number of them wonder whether, in the future, at least, we might find a way to do things differently — without even thinking in terms of trade-offs. Rethinking our approach to vaccine development, they told me, could mean moving faster without moving any more recklessly. A layperson might look at the 2020 timelines and question whether, in the case of an onrushing pandemic, a lengthy Phase III trial — which tests for efficacy — is necessary. But the scientists I spoke to about the way this pandemic may reshape future vaccine development were more focused on how to accelerate or skip Phase I, which tests for safety. More precisely, they thought it would be possible to do all the research, development, preclinical testing, and Phase I trials for new viral pandemics before those new viruses had even emerged — to have those vaccines sitting on the shelf and ready to go when they did. They also thought it was possible to do this for nearly the entire universe of potential future viral pandemics — at least 90 percent of them, one of them told me, and likely more.

    As Hotez explained to me, the major reason this vaccine timeline has shrunk is that much of the research and preclinical animal testing was done in the aftermath of the 2003 SARS pandemic (that is, for instance, how we knew to target the spike protein). This would be the model. Scientists have a very clear sense of which virus families have pandemic potential, and given the resemblance of those viruses, can develop not only vaccines for all of them but also ones that could easily be tweaked to respond to new variants within those families.

    “We do this every year for influenza,” Rasmussen says. “We don’t know which influenza viruses are going to be circulating, so we make our best guess. And then we formulate that into a vaccine using essentially the same technology platform that all the other influenza vaccines are based on.” The whole process takes a few months, and utilizes a “platform” that we already know is basically safe. With enough funding, you could do the same for viral pandemics, and indeed conduct Phase I trials for the entire set of possible future outbreaks before any of them made themselves known to the public. In the case of a pandemic produced by a new strain in these families, you might want to do some limited additional safety testing, but because the most consequential adverse effects take place in the days right after the vaccine is given, that additional diligence could be almost immediate.

    According to Florian Krammer, a vaccine scientist at Mount Sinai, you could do all of this at a cost of about $20 million to $30 million per vaccine and, ideally, would do so for between 50 and 100 different viruses — enough, he says, to functionally cover all the phylogenies that could give rise to pandemic strains in the future. (“It’s extremely unlikely that there is something out there that doesn’t belong to one of the known families, that would have been flying under the radar,” he says. “I wouldn’t be worried about that.”) In total, he estimates, the research and clinical trials necessary to do this would cost between $1 billion and $3 billion. So far this year, the U.S. government has spent more than $4 trillion on pandemic relief. Functionally, it’s a drop in the bucket, though Krammer predicts our attention, and the funding, will move on once this pandemic is behind us, leaving us no more prepared for the next one. When he compares the cost of such a project to the Pentagon’s F-35 — you could build vaccines for five potential pandemics for the cost of a single plane, and vaccines for all of them for roughly the cost of that fighter-jet program as a whole — he isn’t signaling confidence it will happen, but the opposite.

    Krammer spent the early months of the pandemic focused on serological testing — it was his lab that gave New York City its first clear picture of just how far the pandemic had spread through the five boroughs in the spring— but recently, he has turned his attention to how to accelerate the timeline of vaccine delivery. In a just-published paper in Cell, he suggests it isn’t just that Phase I clinical work and the larger, longer Phase II safety trials which could be done preemptively, entirely before the arrival of new pandemics. Some Phase III efficacy testing, he says, could be done then, as well — especially for existing rather than novel strains. “To look for immunogenicity”—whether scientists can provoke the right immune response — “you don’t even have to develop the vaccine,” he says. “You can make antigens in the research center and just test it — that’s pretty inexpensive.” And if a Phase III trial were deemed necessary, it could start just weeks after the disease was identified and conclude in as soon as ten weeks.

    If we do all that, he says, the entire timeline could be compressed to as few as three months.
    The production and distribution of a vaccine adds considerable cost, bureaucracy, and even some chaos, as we’re likely about to see. But three months from the design of the Moderna vaccine was April 13. The second and third surges, the return to school and the long-dreaded fall, 225,000 more deaths and 50 million more infections — all of that still lay ahead. Shave another month off somehow and you’re at March 13, the day the very first person in New York City died.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html
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    Post by паће Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:02 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    паће wrote:Био би штос да се председник или неко званично лице које се често појављује у јавности у име Ковакса, презива Ковач и пише на мађарском.

    Амери би се нашли у добром збуњу.
    kako je tebi dobro...

    Има и та пензија неких предности, није да није.

    С друге стране, навикао сам на изолацију, од 2002. живим као дигитални пустињак, и ако досад нисам научио да ту изолацију некако попуним, зајеби посо.

    Прц је што мора с времена на време и да се изађе, кад ја тамо а оно рл.

    Spoiler:
    С друге стране, ако једном и ја кренем скроз озбиљно, хватајте места у чамцима.


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    Post by MNE Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:57 am

    hah

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    Post by lalinea Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:33 am

    Temporal context je kriv za dosta antivaxxerskih dramljenja. Npr to sto se MMR daje otprilike u isto vreme kada obicno krecu da se ispoljavaju prvi simptomi autizma. Iako izmedju vakcine i autizma nidje veze, to je dovoljno ljudima poput npr Jelene Karleuse da imaju svoja 'ubedjenja'.

    Ovo sto je on rekao nije nista strasno (mislim da je mozda hteo bas da naglasi da se ne treba zaletati sa zakljuccima i nepoverenjem u vakcinu ako se desi temporal context, nego detaljno ispitati) mada je moglo biti bolje sroceno, da ne plasi narod nepotrebno.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:47 am

    prvi koji ce primati tu vakcinu imaju sigurno pol poziciju kod kosca. mislim to su stariji ljudi uglavnom. verovatno ce biti tzv. temporal contexta.


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    Post by bela maca Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:56 am

    idemo


    Covid-19 vaccine: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

    A 90-year-old woman has become the first person to be given a Covid jab as part of the mass vaccination programme being rolled out across the UK.

    Margaret Keenan, who turns 91 next week, said it was the "best early birthday present".

    She was given the injection at 06:31 GMT - the first of 800,000 doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine that will be given in the coming weeks.

    Up to four million more are expected by the end of the month.

    Hubs in the UK will vaccinate over-80s and some health and care staff - the programme aims to protect the most vulnerable and return life to normal.



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    Post by lalinea Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:00 am

    boomer crook wrote:prvi koji ce primati tu vakcinu imaju sigurno pol poziciju kod kosca. mislim to su stariji ljudi uglavnom. verovatno ce biti tzv. temporal contexta.
    Da, to sam i ja pomislila. Videcemo kako ce se pobornici "i onako bi umrli" stava pokazati u toj situaciji VAKCINA - Page 5 1399639816


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:05 am

    Ako napunis 90 i primis vakcinu, velika je verovatnoca da ces umreti narednih godina. Pa se ti posle vakcinisi...
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:12 am

    SinovčevaTM vakcina navodno vrlo efikasna, ali po parcijalnim rezultatima studije koja je obuhvatila svega 1600 učesnika.

    Sinovac vaccine shows up to 97 per cent efficacy in early trials, Bio Farma says

    Jakarta: Indonesia's state-owned pharmaceutical company Bio Farma said on Tuesday that interim data on trials it was conducting on vaccines produced by the Chinese company Sinovac showed up to 97 per cent efficacy.

    "Our clinical trial team found, within one month, that the interim data shows up to 97 per cent for its efficacy," said Iwan Setiawan, a spokesman for Bio Farma, at a news conference.

    He did not elaborate whether the interim result was from a late-stage clinical trial, but another Bio Farma spokesman told Reuters later that the company is still gathering data on efficacy from ongoing Phase 3 trial.

    Sinovac had said earlier that 97 per cent of healthy adults receiving lower dosage participating in its Phase 1-2 trial showed antibody-related immune response after taking its COVID-19 vaccine CoronaVac.

    A Sinovac spokesman said on Tuesday the company had not received efficacy readings from Phase 3 clinical trials.

    Brazil's Butantan Institute biomedical center, which is running a Phase 3 trial of CoronaVac in the country, said last week that Sinovac was expected to publish efficacy results from its vaccine trials by December 15.

    Bio Farma did not provide data on how many participants got infected during the trial that involves 1600 people.

    Iwan said Bio Farma would wait for full results and it expected Indonesia's food and drug agency to issue emergency use authorization in late January before mass vaccination could start.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-showing-up-to-97-per-cent-efficacy-in-early-trials-20201208-p56lsn.html
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    Post by паће Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:28 am

    То, синовац, биће нешто од тебе!

    Некако ми се свиђа што ова трка ка вакцини у ствари и није трка, не саплићу једни друге, има места за све, што је важније да сви стигну на циљ него ко је био први и ко је боље изгледао на екрану.

    Да се тако сложе око још неколико ствари, па да џумле накривимо капе.


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    Post by rumbeando Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:52 pm

    Erzsébet Biszak wrote:A 90-year-old woman has become the first person to be given a Covid jab as part of the mass vaccination programme being rolled out across the UK.

    Margaret Keenan, who turns 91 next week, said it was the "best early birthday present".

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    Post by rumbeando Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:12 pm

    Srbija 5%.

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

    Country/Region No. of inoculations (thousands) Inoculations as % of population
    Canada 153,901 410.1%
    U.K. 196,884 294.7%
    Australia 68,693 269.2%
    Austria 16,451 185.7%
    Belgium 21,274 185.7%
    Bulgaria 12,908 185.7%
    Croatia 7,554 185.7%
    Cyprus 1,627 185.7%
    Czech Republic 19,777 185.7%
    Denmark 10,782 185.7%
    Estonia 2,461 185.7%
    Finland 10,247 185.7%
    France 120,376 185.7%
    Germany 154,306 185.7%
    Greece 19,917 185.7%
    Hungary 18,149 185.7%
    Ireland 9,192 185.7%
    Italy 112,090 185.7%
    Latvia 3,565 185.7%
    Lithuania 5,168 185.7%
    Luxembourg 1,140 185.7%
    Malta 917 185.7%
    Netherlands 31,999 185.7%
    Poland 70,517 185.7%
    Portugal 19,083 185.7%
    Romania 36,036 185.7%
    Slovakia 10,121 185.7%
    Slovenia 3,840 185.7%
    Spain 86,326 185.7%
    Sweden 19,179 185.7%
    Chile 26,621 139.3%
    U.S. 455,000 138.5%
    Japan 151,392 120.0%
    Mexico 152,087 119.2%
    Uzbekistan 36,685 110.3%
    Nepal 26,441 92.9%
    India 1,169,278 85.5%
    Switzerland 6,833 80.0%
    Dominican Republic 7,370 71.1%
    Brazil 133,645 63.6%
    Costa Rica 3,161 62.3%
    Egypt 60,656 61.1%
    Panama 2,465 58.4%
    Russia 80,000 54.5%
    Indonesia 133,521 50.0%
    Ecuador 8,451 48.9%
    Argentina 21,481 47.8%
    El Salvador 2,477 38.4%
    Peru 12,537 37.8%
    Bahrain 533 35.9%
    Jordan 3,615 35.9%
    U.A.E. 3,858 35.9%
    Turkey 25,000 30.1%
    Pakistan 54,371 26.6%
    Malaysia 8,050 24.7%
    Antigua and Barbuda 22 22.9%
    Bahamas 87 22.9%
    Barbados 66 22.9%
    Belize 93 22.9%
    Bolivia 2,642 22.9%
    Colombia 11,524 22.9%
    Dominica 16 22.9%
    Grenada 25 22.9%
    Guatemala 4,029 22.9%
    Guyana 180 22.9%
    Haiti 2,577 22.9%
    Honduras 2,235 22.9%
    Jamaica 624 22.9%
    Nicaragua 1,493 22.9%
    Paraguay 1,636 22.9%
    Saint Kitts and Nevis 13 22.9%
    St. Lucia 41 22.9%
    St. Vincent and the Grenadines 25 22.9%
    Suriname 137 22.9%
    Trinidad and Tobago 319 22.9%
    Uruguay 805 22.9%
    Venezuela 6,364 22.9%
    New Zealand 999 20.3%
    Aruba 20 17.8%
    China 170,921 12.2%
    Kazakhstan 2,000 10.7%
    DR Congo 9,916 10.1%
    Philippines 6,685 6.2%
    Afghanistan 1,885 5.1%
    Albania 145 5.1%
    Algeria 2,200 5.1%
    Angola 1,526 5.1%
    Armenia 150 5.1%
    Azerbaijan 506 5.1%
    Bangladesh 8,439 5.1%
    Benin 598 5.1%
    Bhutan 38 5.1%
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 167 5.1%
    Botswana 120 5.1%
    Brunei 23 5.1%
    Burkina Faso 1,030 5.1%
    Burundi 584 5.1%
    Cambodia 836 5.1%
    Cameroon 1,292 5.1%
    Cape Verde 28 5.1%
    Central African Republic 240 5.1%
    Chad 808 5.1%
    Comoros 44 5.1%
    Djibouti 55 5.1%
    Eritrea 177 5.1%
    Eswatini 56 5.1%
    Ethiopia 4,893 5.1%
    Fiji 45 5.1%
    Gambia 119 5.1%
    Georgia 189 5.1%
    Ghana 1,528 5.1%
    Guinea 690 5.1%
    Guinea-Bissau 90 5.1%
    Iceland 18 5.1%
    Iran 4,218 5.1%
    Iraq 1,981 5.1%
    Israel 458 5.1%
    Ivory Coast 1,331 5.1%
    Kenya 2,411 5.1%
    Kiribati 6 5.1%
    Kuwait 241 5.1%
    Kyrgyzstan 324 5.1%
    Laos 363 5.1%
    Lebanon 347 5.1%
    Lesotho 104 5.1%
    Liberia 232 5.1%
    Libya 333 5.1%
    Madagascar 1,362 5.1%
    Malawi 1,028 5.1%
    Maldives 19 5.1%
    Mali 967 5.1%
    Marshall Islands 3 5.1%
    Mauritania 206 5.1%
    Mauritius 64 5.1%
    Micronesia 5 5.1%
    Moldova 136 5.1%
    Mongolia 167 5.1%
    Montenegro 32 5.1%
    Morocco 1,803 5.1%
    Mozambique 1,578 5.1%
    Myanmar 2,676 5.1%
    Namibia 125 5.1%
    Nauru 1 5.1%
    Niger 1,181 5.1%
    Nigeria 10,180 5.1%
    North Macedonia 105 5.1%
    Norway 271 5.1%
    Oman 212 5.1%
    Palau 1 5.1%
    Papua New Guinea 436 5.1%
    Qatar 142 5.1%
    Rwanda 628 5.1%
    Sao Tome and Principe 11 5.1%
    Saudi Arabia 1,726 5.1%
    Senegal 826 5.1%
    Serbia 353 5.1%
    Sierra Leone 396 5.1%
    Singapore 289 5.1%
    Solomon Islands 32 5.1%
    South Korea 2,619 5.1%
    South Sudan 678 5.1%
    Sri Lanka 1,104 5.1%
    Sudan 2,189 5.1%
    Tajikistan 471 5.1%
    Tanzania 2,853 5.1%
    Timor-Leste 65 5.1%
    Togo 410 5.1%
    Tunisia 597 5.1%
    Uganda 2,017 5.1%
    Ukraine 2,114 5.1%
    Vanuatu 15 5.1%
    Vietnam 4,886 5.1%
    Yemen 1,603 5.1%
    Zambia 928 5.1%
    Zimbabwe 755 5.1%
    Tonga 5 5.1%
    Tuvalu 1 5.1%
    West Bank and Gaza 252 5.1%
    Samoa 10 5.1%
    Kosovo 91 5.1%
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    Post by bemty Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:54 pm

    uuu, posle moze da krene preprodaja


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    Post by rumbeando Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:18 pm

    Tako je.

    The European Commission has secured close to 2 billion doses of different coronavirus vaccines in development.

    That includes 200 million doses and possibly another 100 million from Pfizer/BioNTech. It’s also ordered 300 million doses of a Sanofi/GSK vaccine; 200 million and the possibility of purchasing another 200 million from Johnson & Johnson; an initial 300 million and possibly another 100 million of AstraZeneca/University of Oxford’s candidate; and 225 million and possibly another 180 million vaccines from CureVac.

    A deal that could be completed in the coming weeks would provide the EU with 80 million doses of Moderna’s vaccine, with the possibility to buy another 80 million.

    If all of these vaccines are shown to be safe and effective and all these orders go through, this would be over 1.2 billion shots guaranteed and just shy of 2 billion possible — for the roughly 448 million people in the EU. That said, many of these vaccines require two shots per person.

    All of these deals also include the ability for EU countries to sell or donate the vaccines to other countries.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-vaccines-in-europe/
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    Post by kondo Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:46 pm

    znači, spasiće nas lajoš mesaroš laci


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:15 pm

    bemty wrote:uuu, posle moze da krene preprodaja

    Kako misliš "posle"
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    Post by kondo Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:42 pm

    hmmmmm


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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:45 pm

    troluju ih


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    Post by MNE Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:40 pm

    lalinea wrote:
    boomer crook wrote:prvi koji ce primati tu vakcinu imaju sigurno pol poziciju kod kosca. mislim to su stariji ljudi uglavnom. verovatno ce biti tzv. temporal contexta.
    Da, to sam i ja pomislila. Videcemo kako ce se pobornici "i onako bi umrli" stava pokazati u toj situaciji VAKCINA - Page 5 1399639816
    pa zato sam i okacio, ako osoba od 90 god. dobije koronu i umre za mjesec dana onda je sigurno umral od korone, a ako joj daju vakcinu pa umre za mjesec onda mora detaljno to da se ispita

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