Virus

plachkica wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:Sta 500 kreveta? Ako nastavi sa 5-6k svakog dana to ce im potrajati nedelju dana. 

Poostrice mere sugurno ako ostanu ove cifre. Onise nadaju da nece ostati.

ali sad bi, po prirodi bolesti trebalo da krenu i masovna oporavljanja.
sa ovim će izgurati do svetog nikole, frka će biti za novu godinu i božič.

Marius Lăcătuș wrote:rešiće ovu paranoju ove 2 bolnice, prvo i osnovno javljaju se ljudi na konkurs i s obzirom na depersonalizovane terapije koje se sastoje od sumanutog krkanja antibioticima (za virusnu infekciju!)  i suplementima, uz povremene kreativne ispade u vidu kortikosteroida za sprecavanje progresije ka edemu pluća - njima treba par radiologa, par pulmologa i medicinske sestre/tehničari. ono što apsolutno ne znamo je da li lekovi za bakterijske infekcije aplicirani na virusna oboljenja uopšte rade nešto ili je cist placebo pa upale prolaze zbog mirovanja, suplemenata koji dizu otpornost i slicnih stvari. pisacemo o ovome jednog dana, ako je tako kako impliciram, neće trebati nikakav trust mozgova za ove bolnice. "bolnice".

Marius Lăcătuș wrote:da, prihvatam da je placeno preterana rec ali si i ti potvrdio da AB ne lece osnovnu bolest, sto je moja osnovana sumnja sve vreme.

Erős Pista wrote:Maradonu su..


Ubili!

boomer crook wrote:nista, gurace do zadnjeg slobodnog kreveta i onda krenuti da zakljucavaju ko ludi.

Sotir wrote:

boomer crook wrote:nista, gurace do zadnjeg slobodnog kreveta i onda krenuti da zakljucavaju ko ludi.

Нема више слободних кревета. Људе са сатурацијом испод 90% данима већ не хоспитализују.
А 500 кревета је тренутно дневна потреба.

Ово је катастрофа, имаћемо следеће недеље преко 200 преминулих дневно, од чега се већина могла избећи.

Летећи Полип wrote:

Erős Pista wrote:Maradonu su..


Ubili!

Kad smo već kod toga, zanimljivo je kako se nigde ne lansiraju slične teorije vezane za pomor crkvenog vrha. To bi se nekako očekivalo ako se krene od premise da korona ne postoji.

Covid lung damage 'identified' in study


Covid-19 could be causing lung abnormalities still detectable more than three months after patients are infected, researchers suggest.

A study of 10 patients at Oxford University used a novel scanning technique to identify damage not picked up by conventional scans.

It uses a gas called Xenon during MRI scans to create images of lung damage.

Lung experts said a test that could spot long-term damage would make a huge difference to Covid patients.

The Xenon technique sees patients inhale the gas during a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan.

Prof Fergus Gleeson, who is leading the work, tried out his scanning technique on 10 patients aged between 19 and 69.

Eight of them had persistent shortness of breath and tiredness three months after being ill with coronavirus, even though none of them had been admitted to intensive care or required ventilation, and conventional scans had found no problems in their lungs.

The scans showed signs of lung damage - by highlighting areas where air is not flowing easily into the blood - in the eight who reported breathlessness.

The results have prompted Prof Gleeson to plan a trial of up to 100 people to see if the same is true of people who had not been admitted to hospital and had not suffered from such serious symptoms. He is planning to work with GPs to scan people who have tested positive for Covid-19 across a range of age groups.

Moving the goalposts

The aim is to discover whether lung damage occurs and if so whether it is permanent, or resolves over time.

He said: "I was expecting some form of lung damage, but not to the degree that we have seen."

The risk of severe illness and death increases markedly for the over 60s. But if the trial discovers that the lung damage occurs across a wider age group and even in those not requiring admission to hospital "it would move the goalposts," according to Prof Gleeson.

He believes the lung damage identified by the Xenon scans may be one of the factors behind long Covid, where people feel unwell for several months after infection.

The scanning technique was developed by a research group at the University of Sheffield led by Prof James Wild who said it offered a "unique" way of showing lung damage caused by Covid-19 infection and its after-effects.

"In other fibrotic lung diseases we have shown the methods to be very sensitive to this impairment and we hope the work can help understand Covid-19 lung disease."

Dr Shelley Hayles is a GP based in Oxford involved in helping set up the trial. She believes that up to 10% of those who have had Covid-19 might have some form of lung damage which is leading to prolonged symptoms.

"We're now at more than one and a quarter million who have been infected - and 10% of that is a lot of people," she said.

"When medical staff tell patients that they don't know what's wrong with them and they don't know how to sort the symptoms out, it's very stressful.

"With most patients, even if the news isn't great, they want the diagnosis."

'I'd rather know'

That is true of Tim Clayden, who spent his 60th birthday at the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford with Covid symptoms that were so severe he believed that he would die. Fortunately he recovered but remains weary to this day. Tim was frustrated not knowing why he wasn't recovering to full health.

He said that he was simultaneously concerned and relieved when he received one of Prof Gleeson's scans which showed that his lungs were damaged.

"It does help knowing that there is an issue with your lungs," he says.

"I now know what it is. I know the origin of it. What I don't know, because no one does, is whether it is permanent or if it will pass. But I'd rather know than not know."

Dr Samantha Walker, director of research and innovation at Asthma UK and the British Lung Foundation, said: "This is an interesting investigation and it's important that post-Covid lung damage is looked into further and on a larger scale so we can better understand the longer term damage caused.

"If further investigation shows that lung damage occurs, it could enable the development of a test that can measure lung damage caused by Covid-19 which would make a huge difference to many people with 'long covid' respiratory issues and also allow specific treatments to be developed."

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/lifestyle/health/covid-lung-damage-identified-in-study/ar-BB1bvxIb?ocid=msedgntp

Mór Thököly wrote:S tim sto ako nisu u sistemu onda statistika nista. Nema coveka nema problema. Imali smo nekoliko nedelja fore u odnosu na ostatak Evrope (kako, samo bog zna, verovatno zbog jula), ali naravno to smo iskoristili ni za sta.

Marius Lăcătuș wrote: sumanutog krkanja antibioticima (za virusnu infekciju!) 

plavaivy wrote:

Marius Lăcătuș wrote: sumanutog krkanja antibioticima (za virusnu infekciju!) 

pa valjda je sama upala pluca bakterijska komplikacija tj.  virus kao takav je ne izaziva

Amazing what happens when a nation (well apart from a few jerks) bands together to sacrifice short term pain for the greater good.

— Voltron (@_falkorthegreat) December 1, 2020

World economies are gonna be stuffed regardless. We're going to get rolling (in most states its almost full BAU already) quicker than a lot of other nations. Stimulus packages have gone to the people so we don't sink. Infrastructure projects are soon to commence to employ more.

— Voltron (@_falkorthegreat) December 1, 2020

Its a global pandemic, the likes of which haven't been seen for 100 years. There was always going to be a cost. The hope is to get through it as best as possible, which at this stage we have done. The same can't be said for many other nations.

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