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    neverovatno. doslovce demsi moraju sa 5 miliona da kupe 50 hiljada.


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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:18 am

    White Latinos
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    A lot of people are confused – and disappointed – by the so-called ‘Latino vote’. Especially by the so-called ‘Latino vote’ in Florida, more than half of which, according to CNN, went to Trump (compared to 35 per cent in 2016). Trump has called Mexicans rapists, ran for office on building a border wall with Mexico, and puts Latino children in cages. Why, you might wonder, would so many Latinos want him in charge?

    If you search for ‘white passing latinos’ on Twitter, you’ll see the phrase being given as both cause and explanation for why some Latinos voted for Trump. The logic seems to be that, while ‘Latinos’ are a non-white racial group, some Latinos can ‘pass’ for white, and this access to whiteness – with all its power and privileges – tempts these Latinos to forgo solidarity with their fellow Latinos, and vote for Trump.

    This is a bad take. ‘Latino’ is not a race. Latino just means from Latin America, and if you go to Latin America, you’ll see it’s full of white people and black people and brown people, like the US. Think about Bolsonaro, and now think of Pelé – they are both ‘Latino’. White Latinos aren’t ‘white-passing’; they’re just white. (‘White passing’ is a term with a very specific US history: it’s when Black people with light enough skin live as white. This is not what white Latinos in the US are doing.)

    Latin America came into being in much the same way as the United States: settler colonialism. Across the Americas and the Carribean, through the 1500s and beyond, white Europeans invaded, settled, killed most of the indigenous population, and forcibly transported more than 10 million enslaved people from Africa to the New World. Just as in the US, race has been at work in Latin America for centuries, in order to enrich the ruling classes. And just as in the US, Latin America is now populated by the descendants of white settlers, enslaved people and indigenous people. There has been more mixing and less segregation in Latin America than the US, but their foundational racial hierarchies remain broadly the same.

    The history of the 20th century matters too, especially when it comes to Florida. During the Cold War, US-backed coups installed rightwing dictatorships across Latin America. These coups relied on, and were administered by, enthusiastic right-wing ‘Latinos’, who hated ‘socialism’ and ‘communists’ as much as their North American backers did. This ruling class is alive and well among Latin Americans at home and in the diaspora: Bolsonaro, for example, frequently and openly praises the Brazilian dictatorship; his son, Eduardo, apparently cried when he saw Biden’s lead in the electoral college.

    The US of course didn’t manage to install rightwing dictatorships everywhere in Latin America during the Cold War, the most notable exception being Cuba. Many Latino voters in Florida are Cuban-Americans: exiles, who fled or were kicked out after the revolution. Unsurprisingly, they tend to be militantly anti-socialist and anti-communist. And for many, rich and white, socialism directly threatens their class interests. This is not to say their experience wasn’t traumatic or their fear isn’t sincerely held – simply that it makes sense right-wing candidates appeal to them, and they can be mobilised by the threat of socialism.

    Latinos are as complex a voting block – and from as complicated a continent – as North Americans. Some Latinos are Guatemalans of indigenous descent without papers or access to the formal economy or education; they might cross the Mexico-US border illegally. Some Latinos are black; they might come on a plane from Brazil with a temporary visa. Some Latinos are rich businessmen who can trace their European ancestry, US citizens whose maids and drivers are black or brown Latinos without papers. These white Latinos are more likely to look Italian than Irish, but at home they are the white oppressors. In some ways, they are the most natural Trump supporters of all.
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2020/november/white-latinos


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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:34 am

    Pa dobro, otkrila je rupu na saksiji. Samo se postavlja pitanje zašto su demokrate ranije toliko dominirale sa svim latinosima, a sad ih ovi beli izdali? I zašto do toga nije došlo na Zapadnoj obali? I btw, ako su ovi beli toliko privilegovani tamo dole, zašto su emigrirali u SAD in the first place?


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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:10 am

    Da parafraziram Žiku iz istoimene dinastije: E, pa, Melanija, ti kad nešto kažeš, ti kažeš malo... al glupo.


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    Републиканска елита је одбро одрадила Трампа што се види на примеру Аризоне. Сада ће да га користе истрошеног да делегитимизују што више избор Бајдена.
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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:51 pm

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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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    Post by Erős Pista Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:54 am

    Odličan JWM.


    What Are Parties For?

    Basic norms exist for political parties; Republicans don’t meet them.

    Jan-Werner Müller

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    For obvious reasons, much of the commentary surrounding the 2020 election has focused on Trump and his surprisingly large number of voters. Only occasionally have we been reminded that institutions—from the Electoral College to state legislatures—are responsible for the fact that, unlike so many other democracies, a speedy counting of the popular vote (elsewhere simply known as “the vote”) is not enough to decide the outcome. Yet one institution supposedly connects state and society and has received too little attention in recent years: the political party. Just what are parties for, and what are the consequences of parties failing to fulfill their proper functions in a democracy?

    The Republican Party declined to issue a proper program at its convention this past summer, instead simply pledging total loyalty to Trump.

    U.S. political parties are very peculiar creatures. In one sense they are soft, even ethereal, as they have no official and committed memberships in the way parties elsewhere do; they are open to all kinds of comers (such as reality TV stars). But in another sense, they are very hard institutions: they effectively merge with the state in setting the rules for political competition (making sure that newcomers have few ways of breaking into the game). Perhaps even more paradoxically, high levels of political polarization in the United States co-exist with hollowed-out parties, which lack robust internal decision-making structures and often have only the most diffuse of programs.

    Nevertheless, some normative expectations of parties apply globally. One of the most basic is autonomy. Parties should not be front organizations for something else—such as an oligarch’s business interests. At least in the beginning, Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia was effectively a combination of a soccer fan club and a propaganda TV channel in the service of the Cavaliere (who entered politics not least to gain immunity from prosecution for tax fraud). From this perspective, it was alarming that the Republican Party declined to issue a proper program at its convention this past summer, instead simply pledging total loyalty to Trump along the lines of “whatever he wants, we want.”

    This points to another function of parties. Ideally, parties produce policy ideas and turn them into a coherent program. However, U.S. political parties have effectively ceased to engage in this kind of work; at best they outsource it to think tanks or, as in Trump’s case, abandon it altogether. (Trump was infamously incapable of articulating any concrete goals for a possible second term; eventually the GOP came to the rescue, tweeting that priorities would be a permanent manned presence on the moon as well as a manned mission to Mars, things most Americans may not exactly have put first during the COVID-19 pandemic).

    Some democratic theorists argue forcefully that a proper party must articulate a vision of the common good against the background of particular partisan principles; otherwise we are dealing with factions, not parties. Yet this is asking both too much and too little at the same time. It is not difficult to dress up even narrow interests in the abstract language of the common good. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with trying to represent particular groups (think of farmers’ parties), as long as a party has positions on a range of issues and is not a mere interest group whose support is up for sale in coalition agreements.

    Parties that are internally authoritarian will also have authoritarian tendencies in government. The Republican party lacks the autonomy that might grant it legitimacy.

    Policy positions are never automatically produced by a shared partisan commitment; they need to be developed and debated. That ideally occurs within a party with proper democratic structures. Oscar Wilde quipped that the problem with socialism was that it took too many evenings. Sceptics of intra-party democracy suggest that political amateurs who pontificate on big issues do not just suck the air out of the room; such hobbyists also often happen to be people who are relatively well-off with little at stake and minor interest in the boring day-to-day work needed to gain actual power. Still, intra-party democracy habituates people to the notion—indispensable in a democracy—that the other side might possibly be right. After all, one can be reasonably sure that even in hard-fought debates the broader partisan principles are shared. Citizens with long-term partisan commitments, and a history of loyalty to them, can be credible critics of party leadership. There is a reason why parties that are internally authoritarian—for example, no real dissent to the thin-skinned, vengeful Trump has been allowed among Republicans—will also have authoritarian tendencies in government. That is why some constitutions require pluralism inside parties.

    True, Republicans may well abandon Trump now that he has served his purpose as what Steve Bannon once called a “blunt instrument.” Under Trump, the Republican party managed to push through tax cuts, 83 percent of which benefited the top one percent, and might still manage to destroy the Affordable Care Act. Other, less unpredictable politicians might better serve the agenda of plutocratic populism, which is to say: highly conservative regulatory and tax policies combined with relentless culture war in defense of white, Christian America. The lesson for Republicans might be that years of loyalty to a cruel and corrupt president bent on undermining the basics of democracy carries no real penalty. After all, the right did well enough down-ballot this week.

    In any case, the structural problems persist: even a Pencified party faces an ideological vacuum, and it will remain dependent on unaccountable (and often untraceable) Super-PACS and large donors. This throws the party’s autonomy into question. While there are primaries in which the finer points of QAnon might be hashed out, real structures of democratic debate and programmatic development are lacking. Some of these problems apply to Democrats as well, who have a great deal of soul-searching to do after a disappointing election night—a process that cannot be
    Intra-party democracy habituates people to the notion—indispensable in a democracy—that the other side might possibly be right.
    cut short with casually blaming “cancel culture” or the “woke left,” or echoing other right-wing talking points masquerading as empirical explanations. Structures allowing different parts of the party to debate, instead of random caucus discussions every few years, would help.

    As with so many other aspects of U.S. political life, the situation is polarized, but not symmetrical. What Jedediah Purdy has called “the rancid right” is much further from what a proper party should be than the Democratic party. U.S. democracy as a whole is suffering the consequences.

    http://bostonreview.net/politics/jan-werner-m%C3%BCller-what-are-parties


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:24 pm

    ontheotherhand wrote:

    To je osoba koja je mandat za sastav vlade dala Čerčilu
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:27 pm

    Misli imao sam i ja do jako skoro 1 nadrealan osećaj kad mi je baba pričala kako je išla da vidi kralja Aleksandra. Onda se okrenem i na kalendaru piše 2017. godina... Jbg, radosti života od 100 godina.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:34 pm

    Meni su skroz do jaja ti ljudi. U detinjstvu trčali za fijakerima, a pred smrt trolovali preko fejsbuka. I sve ono što je išlo između.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:50 pm

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:00 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:Odličan JWM.


    What Are Parties For?

    Basic norms exist for political parties; Republicans don’t meet them.

    Jan-Werner Müller

    Wikimedia

    For obvious reasons, much of the commentary surrounding the 2020 election has focused on Trump and his surprisingly large number of voters. Only occasionally have we been reminded that institutions—from the Electoral College to state legislatures—are responsible for the fact that, unlike so many other democracies, a speedy counting of the popular vote (elsewhere simply known as “the vote”) is not enough to decide the outcome. Yet one institution supposedly connects state and society and has received too little attention in recent years: the political party. Just what are parties for, and what are the consequences of parties failing to fulfill their proper functions in a democracy?

    The Republican Party declined to issue a proper program at its convention this past summer, instead simply pledging total loyalty to Trump.

    U.S. political parties are very peculiar creatures. In one sense they are soft, even ethereal, as they have no official and committed memberships in the way parties elsewhere do; they are open to all kinds of comers (such as reality TV stars). But in another sense, they are very hard institutions: they effectively merge with the state in setting the rules for political competition (making sure that newcomers have few ways of breaking into the game). Perhaps even more paradoxically, high levels of political polarization in the United States co-exist with hollowed-out parties, which lack robust internal decision-making structures and often have only the most diffuse of programs.

    Nevertheless, some normative expectations of parties apply globally. One of the most basic is autonomy. Parties should not be front organizations for something else—such as an oligarch’s business interests. At least in the beginning, Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia was effectively a combination of a soccer fan club and a propaganda TV channel in the service of the Cavaliere (who entered politics not least to gain immunity from prosecution for tax fraud). From this perspective, it was alarming that the Republican Party declined to issue a proper program at its convention this past summer, instead simply pledging total loyalty to Trump along the lines of “whatever he wants, we want.”

    This points to another function of parties. Ideally, parties produce policy ideas and turn them into a coherent program. However, U.S. political parties have effectively ceased to engage in this kind of work; at best they outsource it to think tanks or, as in Trump’s case, abandon it altogether. (Trump was infamously incapable of articulating any concrete goals for a possible second term; eventually the GOP came to the rescue, tweeting that priorities would be a permanent manned presence on the moon as well as a manned mission to Mars, things most Americans may not exactly have put first during the COVID-19 pandemic).

    Some democratic theorists argue forcefully that a proper party must articulate a vision of the common good against the background of particular partisan principles; otherwise we are dealing with factions, not parties. Yet this is asking both too much and too little at the same time. It is not difficult to dress up even narrow interests in the abstract language of the common good. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with trying to represent particular groups (think of farmers’ parties), as long as a party has positions on a range of issues and is not a mere interest group whose support is up for sale in coalition agreements.

    Parties that are internally authoritarian will also have authoritarian tendencies in government. The Republican party lacks the autonomy that might grant it legitimacy.

    Policy positions are never automatically produced by a shared partisan commitment; they need to be developed and debated. That ideally occurs within a party with proper democratic structures. Oscar Wilde quipped that the problem with socialism was that it took too many evenings. Sceptics of intra-party democracy suggest that political amateurs who pontificate on big issues do not just suck the air out of the room; such hobbyists also often happen to be people who are relatively well-off with little at stake and minor interest in the boring day-to-day work needed to gain actual power. Still, intra-party democracy habituates people to the notion—indispensable in a democracy—that the other side might possibly be right. After all, one can be reasonably sure that even in hard-fought debates the broader partisan principles are shared. Citizens with long-term partisan commitments, and a history of loyalty to them, can be credible critics of party leadership. There is a reason why parties that are internally authoritarian—for example, no real dissent to the thin-skinned, vengeful Trump has been allowed among Republicans—will also have authoritarian tendencies in government. That is why some constitutions require pluralism inside parties.

    True, Republicans may well abandon Trump now that he has served his purpose as what Steve Bannon once called a “blunt instrument.” Under Trump, the Republican party managed to push through tax cuts, 83 percent of which benefited the top one percent, and might still manage to destroy the Affordable Care Act. Other, less unpredictable politicians might better serve the agenda of plutocratic populism, which is to say: highly conservative regulatory and tax policies combined with relentless culture war in defense of white, Christian America. The lesson for Republicans might be that years of loyalty to a cruel and corrupt president bent on undermining the basics of democracy carries no real penalty. After all, the right did well enough down-ballot this week.

    In any case, the structural problems persist: even a Pencified party faces an ideological vacuum, and it will remain dependent on unaccountable (and often untraceable) Super-PACS and large donors. This throws the party’s autonomy into question. While there are primaries in which the finer points of QAnon might be hashed out, real structures of democratic debate and programmatic development are lacking. Some of these problems apply to Democrats as well, who have a great deal of soul-searching to do after a disappointing election night—a process that cannot be
    Intra-party democracy habituates people to the notion—indispensable in a democracy—that the other side might possibly be right.
    cut short with casually blaming “cancel culture” or the “woke left,” or echoing other right-wing talking points masquerading as empirical explanations. Structures allowing different parts of the party to debate, instead of random caucus discussions every few years, would help.

    As with so many other aspects of U.S. political life, the situation is polarized, but not symmetrical. What Jedediah Purdy has called “the rancid right” is much further from what a proper party should be than the Democratic party. U.S. democracy as a whole is suffering the consequences.

    http://bostonreview.net/politics/jan-werner-m%C3%BCller-what-are-parties

    Nisu oni bez debte i pluralizma. Jedino sto se one odigravaju tamo gde retko ko vidi, a i to sto se prica bilo bi nezgodno da javnost vidi. U javnosti - najbolje se razumemo kada cutimo. Btw, strasno je (za US) sto se dobar deo teksta moze primeniti i na Srbiju tj SRN
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:03 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Misli imao sam i ja do jako skoro 1 nadrealan osećaj kad mi je baba pričala kako je išla da vidi kralja Aleksandra. Onda se okrenem i na kalendaru piše 2017. godina... Jbg, radosti života od 100 godina.
    A jel ti pricala kako je videla Drazu na belom konju? E rodjaci to je dogadjaj, kralja je svako mogao da vidi...


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:04 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Nisu oni bez debte i pluralizma. Jedino sto se one odigravaju tamo gde retko ko vidi, a i to sto se prica bilo bi nezgodno da javnost vidi. U javnosti - najbolje se razumemo kada cutimo. Btw, strasno je (za US) sto se dobar deo teksta moze primeniti i na Srbiju tj SRN
    Sta je to SRN?


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:05 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    Mór Thököly wrote:Misli imao sam i ja do jako skoro 1 nadrealan osećaj kad mi je baba pričala kako je išla da vidi kralja Aleksandra. Onda se okrenem i na kalendaru piše 2017. godina... Jbg, radosti života od 100 godina.
    A jel ti pricala kako je videla Drazu na belom konju? E rodjaci to je dogadjaj, kralja je svako mogao da vidi...

    Ma kakvog Dražu, videla je Pećančeve i recimo da su joj se vrlo malo dopali.

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