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    Erős Pista

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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:41 pm

    Pa naravno da hoće. Teroristička banda, a ne stranka.


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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:48 pm

    Daï Djakman Faré wrote:muceni obama nije mogo da progura mericka garlanda 9 meseci pre isteka mandata a ovaj ce da progura kroz svog picka a les ruth bader se nece ni ohladiti USA - США - SAD - Page 23 1233199462

    pa tako stoji u tekstu "with the advice and consent of the Senate"



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    Post by Guest Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:51 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:Pa naravno da hoće. Teroristička banda, a ne stranka.

    ako žele da oslabe Vrhovni sud i polupaju zemlju, samo napred. ne postoji ni promil šanse da izrazito plave države prihvate rollback stečenih prava.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:53 pm

    Ne baš da žele, ali im suštinski zapuca, odnosno ne prezaju ni od toga kao moguće posledice. Ono, crna reakcija koja će uništiti svet, a ne jednu državu, ne bi li sačuvala privilegije.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:54 pm

    Naravno, demokrate im sve to serviraju na tacni, kombinacijom metiljavosti, kukavičluka, ideološke konfuzije i starog dobrog oportunizma.


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    Post by Guest Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:58 pm

    Demokrate nude imaginaciju bolje države od juče.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:58 pm

    Znači, ovaj užas koji gledamo bukvalno počinje tim slučajem sa Garlandom, koji je tada izgledao bizarno i van pameti. Obami im je pustio da rade to što rade upravo zato da kao ne bi rušio poverenje u institucije. I onda dolazi Trampara, umire Skalija, povlači se Kenedi, umire RBG, i evo nas gde smo.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:00 pm

    buffalo bill wrote:Demokrate nude imaginaciju bolje države od juče.


    Pa što je najgore, i same sebe su ubedili u tu imaginaciju, i poverovali da je Ustavni sud zaista iznad politike.


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    Post by Guest Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:07 pm

    U toj imaginaciji se delom i krije njihova trenutna opčinjenost tzv institucijama, dekorom i pristojnitijem. Tramp im je tu pomutio pamet.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:16 pm

    buffalo bill wrote:Demokrate nude imaginaciju bolje države od juče.

    Zasto menjati recept koji dobija  USA - США - SAD - Page 23 1861198401
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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:20 pm

    buffalo bill wrote:U toj imaginaciji se delom i krije njihova trenutna opčinjenost tzv institucijama, dekorom i pristojnitijem. Tramp im je tu pomutio pamet.


    Pa da. Mada je republikanski terorizam počeo i pre Trampa. To sa Garlandom je samo jedan primer.


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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:36 pm

    edit: nema veze.



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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:53 pm

    Šule, nemo se sad praviš toša. Da častiš kad postave ovu.


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    Post by ćaća Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:42 am

    What we can learn from Ginsburg’s friendship with my father, Antonin Scalia

    by Eugene Scalia


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    Evenings began with champagne and opera playing in the Ginsburgs’ Watergate apartment; dinner was prepared by Justice Ginsburg’s husband, Marty, who some years served venison or boar from my father’s post-Christmas hunting trip
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    hmmm, I dunno...


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    Post by rumbeando Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:47 am

    паће

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    Post by паће Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:58 am

    buffalo bill wrote:U toj imaginaciji se delom i krije njihova trenutna opčinjenost tzv institucijama, dekorom i pristojnitijem. Tramp im je tu pomutio pamet.

    Као да читам оно Јовићево о одумирању државе методом зафарбавања у ћошак. Не може ово због овог, не може оно због оног, и преостају само суманути потези.


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    Post by boomer crook Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:10 pm

    rumbeando wrote:

    nula tamo, nula vamo
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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:17 pm

    Stop talking!


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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:19 pm

    https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/supreme-court-socialists-ruth-bader-ginsburg-death


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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:30 pm

    If a candidate receives an undisputed majority of the Electoral College votes, he or she is the winner. With the exception of the elections of 1800, 1824, and 1876, this is how our presidents and vice-presidents have been chosen (with an asterisk for Vice Presidents Ford and Rockefeller, who were chosen through the nomination and confirmation process of section 2 of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment—Ford to fill the seat left vacant when Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned in disgrace, and Rockefeller to replace Ford when Ford became president after Richard Nixon resigned facing impeachment).
    But if no candidate receives a majority of the Electoral College votes, then the election for president is thrown into the newly elected Congress—which under the Constitution takes office on January 3 and, under the Electoral Count Act, convenes to count the electoral votes on January 6. The House of Representatives selects the president from among the top three vote-getters for president in the Electoral College. Each of the fifty states, whatever its population, gets one vote, and, under the Twelfth Amendment, “a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.” The Senate selects between the two candidates for vice-president who received the most electoral votes.
    If those processes fail and we get neither a president nor a vice-president (who then serves as president), we turn to the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, passed pursuant to Congress’s authority under section 2 of the Twentieth Amendment. The Speaker of the House of Representatives, if he or she is eligible to be president (which requires being at least thirty-five years old and a “natural-born Citizen” who has lived in the United States for fourteen years), can resign from Congress and “act as President.” If the speaker is ineligible or unwilling, the act then turns to the president pro tem of the Senate, and one after another to the members of the cabinet, in order of the seniority of their departments.
    With me still? Now come the problems. They start, as Douglas points out, with a challenge to democratic legitimacy that inheres in the very structure of the Constitution: the possibility that a candidate will lose the popular vote but nevertheless obtain a majority in the Electoral College. Social scientists have estimated that under current conditions, there is a one-in-three chance that a popular-vote loser will nonetheless win the electoral vote. And for demographic reasons, that chance skews more heavily in favor of Republicans than Democrats. So far in the 2000s, this mismatch has happened in two of the five elections: in 2000, Al Gore got roughly 500,000 more votes than George W. Bush, but Bush garnered 271 electoral votes to Gore’s 266 (with one D.C. elector abstaining in protest); in 2016, Hillary Clinton received 2.87 million more votes than Trump but lost in the Electoral College 304–227 (seven electors—two pledged to Trump and five to Clinton—voted for other candidates). Particularly in a nation as politically polarized as contemporary America, it is a real question how many such elections the people will accept before they demand fundamental change to the way a president is selected.
    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/10/08/our-most-vulnerable-election/


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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:39 pm

    Erős Pista wrote:https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/supreme-court-socialists-ruth-bader-ginsburg-death



    Mora biti ustavnog suda. Neko mora da arbitrira u sporovima o tumačenju zakona. Jebi ga, to je de facto zakonodavna vlast, ali kako onda drugačije?
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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:42 pm

    Ustavnog suda mora biti, ali ne mora da ima ovako široke ingerencije kakve ima danas. Ali suštinski, problem nije u Ustavnom sudu kao takvom, nego u nadama koje su liberali u jednom trenutku počeli da polažu u njega, a na štetu masovne političke mobilizacije.


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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:45 pm

    Nema u tekstu govora o ukidanju Vrhovnog suda, već baš o ovome što si rekao - da to bude telo koje arbitrira u sporovima o tumačenju zakona, a ne da bude veće staraca koje direktno implementira određenu državnu politiku. Druga je stvar, dabome, to što se u Americi standardno koriste taktikom "ova institucija mi trenutno nije korisna, hajdemo je obezvlastiti" bilo da je to elektorski sistem ili Vrhovni sud.
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:36 pm

    Each of the fifty states, whatever its population, gets one vote, and, under the Twelfth Amendment, “a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.”
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    Trampara će skoro sigurno držati većinu država, pojedinačno gledano.
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