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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:46 am

    Inace, Biki vise uopste ni ne pokusava da sakrije koliko uziva u nacionalnoj slavi. Svasta je do sada imala, ali nacionalnu popularnost i stardom na msm, nije. E pa sad ih ima - intervju na Prvoj, ekskluzivna reportaza za Story, a to je tek pocetak, cek da izadje iz katantina pa da zaredja po tv stanicama....


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    Post by rumbeando Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:48 am

    Belorusija, Tadžikistan, Burundi i Nikaragva jedine su četiri države na svetu u kojima se trenutno igra fudbal.
    https://www.danas.rs/sport/vladimir-novakovic-pripreme-za-prenos-meceva-tadzikistanske-lige-nisu-nimalo-lake/
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:53 am

    Virus - Page 20 RDIGLhT
    https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/ (na linku je dostupna animacija, ovo je samo zadnji slajd)
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:52 am

    Darija Kisić Tepavčević 10.4.
    Укупан број особа које се могу сматрати излеченим, дакле имале су два негативна теста, је више од 200. Не знам тачно у број, али наш колективни имунитет постепено расте”, рекла је Кисић на прес конференцији.
    https://covid19.rs/%d0%ba%d0%b8%d1%81%d0%b8%d1%9b-%d0%b2%d0%b8%d1%88%d0%b5-%d0%be%d0%b4-200-%d1%99%d1%83%d0%b4%d0%b8-%d0%b8%d0%b7%d0%bb%d0%b5%d1%87%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%be-%d0%be%d0%b4-%d0%b2%d0%b8%d1%80%d1%83%d1%81%d0%b0/

    Podaci za taj dan (uklonjeni sa covid19.rs):
    Zaraženih 3105, umrlih 71, hospitalizovano 2107, na respiratoru 136.
    https://www.danas.rs/drustvo/u-srbiji-jos-238-obolelih-i-pet-preminulih-ukupno-3-105-zarazenih-i-71-umrli/

    Dakle, smrtnost među zatvorenim slučajevima u Srbiji je prekjuče (pošto nema novijih podataka o osobama koje su ozdravile) bila 26% ili nešto malo ispod.
    Da testiranje ne kasni više dana, svakako bi bila manja, ali je utisak definitivno da imamo veoma mali broj onih koji su ozdravili.
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    Post by Sotir Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:22 am

    rumbeando wrote:Darija Kisić Tepavčević 10.4.
    Укупан број особа које се могу сматрати излеченим, дакле имале су два негативна теста, је више од 200. Не знам тачно у број, али наш колективни имунитет постепено расте”, рекла је Кисић на прес конференцији.
    "постепено расте са више од 200 излечених". Какав дебил треба да будеш да би изјавио да "постепено расте" нешто чему треба неколико деценија да би се остварило тим темпом?

    И друго наша стратегија очигледно није да се прави колективни имунитет већ сузбија епидемија до појаве вакцине.
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    Post by ficfiric Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:30 am

    Ako izbrises prvu recenicu, onda zvuci ok

    "Не знам тачно у број, али наш колективни имунитет постепено расте"

    Bog zna koliko hiljada je vec preguralo bolest.


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    Post by Sotir Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:38 am

    Не, и даље нема смисла.
    Да узмемо оптимистично да је већ прележало 4к људи (а није), и да за групни имунитет треба 50% (4 милиона), овим темпом треба још хиљаду пута оволико. Неће моћи.

    Још битније је да је стратегија сузбијање болести док се не појави вакцина, какав имунитет крда.
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    Post by Guest Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:15 pm

    Umro Kosmajac od korone
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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:18 pm

    Jbt, zivot pise reviju92


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    Post by ficfiric Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:19 pm

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    Post by kapetanm Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:20 pm

    A taman počeo da zida kod mene u kraju
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    Post by Guest Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:22 pm

    Decenijama izbegavaš vruće olovo i presudi ti upala pluća. Glup antiklimaks, Skorseze se dosta srozao.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:22 pm

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    Post by ficfiric Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:25 pm

    DjD >>> Kosmajac



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    Post by Sotir Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:32 pm

    Halászlé wrote:Decenijama izbegavaš vruće olovo i presudi ti upala pluća. Glup antiklimaks, Skorseze se dosta srozao.
    Скроз је у Кум фазону, као кад Кум умре у башти кад се играо са унуком.
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    Post by Sotir Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:34 pm

    Иначе врло битан део, код нас те ни паре не могу спасити.
    Мислио сам да вештачка плућа могу да одрже док прође кризан период.
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:43 pm

    Broj umrlih u Italiji u prvih 12 sedmica ove godine (crveno) u poređenju sa petogodišnjim prosekom za prvih 12 sedmica (2015-2019):
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    Ukupan broj umrlih od 1. do 28. marta po najpogođenijim provincijama u poređenju sa petogodišnjim prosekom
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    Ukupan broj umrlih od 1. do 28. marta po starosnim grupama u poređenju sa petogodišnjim prosekom:
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    Sve slike su iz ovog niza tvitova:
    https://twitter.com/diabolicus23/status/1248754949879730176

    Rast broja umrlih zbog bilo kog uzroka u martu u pojedinim provincijama u poređenju sa martom 2019:
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:05 pm

    Rumbi, šta veliš za BoJu i ICU generalno? Šta sam ja reko!
    Moj zaključak je da kad bi slali pacijente na ICU prije nego što postanu kritični, procenti bi bili bolji.


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    Post by rumbeando Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:19 pm

    SCIENCE

    Coronavirus infection may cause lasting damage throughout the body, doctors fear


    By MELISSA HEALY
    STAFF WRITER
    APRIL 10, 20203:03 PM

    For a world grappling with the new coronavirus, it’s becoming increasingly clear that even when the pandemic is over, it won’t really be over.

    Now doctors are beginning to worry that for patients who have survived COVID-19, the same may be true.

    For the sickest patients, infection with the new coronavirus is proving to be a full-body assault, causing damage well beyond the lungs. And even after patients who become severely ill have recovered and cleared the virus, physicians have begun seeing evidence of the infection’s lingering effects.

    In a study posted this week, scientists in China examined the blood test results of 34 COVID-19 patients over the course of their hospitalization. In those who survived mild and severe disease alike, the researchers found that many of the biological measures had “failed to return to normal.”

    Chief among the worrisome test results were readings that suggested these apparently recovered patients continued to have impaired liver function. That was the case even after two tests for the live virus had come back negative and the patients were cleared to be discharged.

    At the same time, as cardiologists are contending with the immediate effects of COVID-19 on the heart, they’re asking how much of the damage could be long-lasting. In an early study of COVID-19 patients in China, heart failure was seen in nearly 12% of those who survived, including in some who had shown no signs of respiratory distress.

    When lungs do a poor job of delivering oxygen to the body, the heart can come under severe stress and may emerge weaker. That’s concerning enough in an illness that typically causes breathing problems. But when even those without respiratory distress sustain injury to the heart, doctors have to wonder whether they have underestimated COVID-19’s ability to wreak lasting havoc.

    “COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disorder,” said Dr. Harlan Krumholtz, a cardiologist at Yale University. “It can affect the heart, the liver, the kidneys, the brain, the endocrine system and the blood system.”

    There are no long-term survivors of this wholly new disease: Even its first victims in China are little more than three months removed from their ordeal. And physicians have been too busy treating the acutely ill to closely monitor the progress of the roughly 370,000 people worldwide known to have recovered from COVID-19.

    Still, doctors are worried that in its wake, some organs whose function has been knocked off kilter will not recover quickly, or completely. That could leave patients more vulnerable for months or years to come.

    “I think there will be long-term sequelae,” said Yale cardiologist Dr. Joseph Brennan
    , using the medical term for a disease’s downstream effects.

    “I don’t know that for real,” he cautioned. “But this disease is so overwhelming” that some of the recovered are likely to face ongoing health concerns, he said.

    Another question that could take years to answer is whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 may lie dormant in the body for years and spring back later in different form.

    It wouldn’t be the first virus to behave that way. After a chicken pox infection, for instance, the herpes virus that causes the illness hides quietly for decades and often emerges as the painful affliction shingles. The virus that causes hepatitis B can sow the seeds of liver cancer years later. And in the months after the West African Ebola epidemic subsided in 2016, the virus responsible for that illness was found to have taken up residence in the vitreous fluid of some of its victims’ eyes, causing blindness or vision impairment in 40% of those affected.

    Given SARS-CoV-2’s affinity for lung tissue, doctors quickly suspected that some recovered COVID-19 patients would sustain lasting damage to their lungs. In infections involving the coronavirus that cause severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), about one-third of recovered patients had lung impairment after three years, but those symptoms had largely cleared 15 years later. And researchers found that one-third of patients who suffered Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) had scarring of the lungs — fibrosis — that was probably permanent.

    In a mid-March review of a dozen COVID-19 patients discharged from a hospital in Hong Kong, two or three were described as having difficulty with activities they had done in the past.

    Dr. Owen Tsang Tak-yin, director of infectious diseases at Princess Margaret Hospital in Hong Kong, told reporters that some patients “might have around a drop of 20 to 30% in lung function” after their recovery.

    Citing the history of lasting lung damage in SARS and MERS patients, a team led by UCLA radiologist Melina Hosseiny is recommending that patients who have recovered from COVID-19 get follow-up lung scans “to evaluate long-term or permanent lung damage including fibrosis.”

    As doctors try to assess organ damage after COVID-19 recovery, there’s a key complication: Patients with disorders that affect the heart, liver, blood and lungs face a higher risk of becoming very sick with COVID-19 in the first place. That makes it difficult to distinguish COVID-19 after-effects from the problems that made patients vulnerable to begin with — especially so early in the game.

    Right now, “we’re all in the middle of it,” said Dr. Kim Williams, a cardiovascular disease specialist at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago. “We have much more information about what happens acutely, and we’re trying to manage that.”

    What they do know is that when COVID-19 patients show symptoms of infection, the function of many organs is knocked off course. And when one organ begins to fail, others often follow.

    Add to that chaos the force of inflammation, which flares in those with severe COVID-19. The result can do damage throughout the body, prying plaques and clots from the walls of blood vessels and causing strokes, heart attacks and venous embolisms.

    Krumholtz, who organized a meeting of cardiologists to discuss COVID-19 this week, said the infection can cause damage to the heart and the sac that encases it. Some patients develop heart failure and/or arrhythmias during the disease’s acute phase.

    Heart failure weakens the organ, though it can regain much of its strength with medications and lifestyle changes. Still, former COVID-19 patients can become lifelong cardiology patients.


    Muddying this picture is another potential after-effect: blood abnormalities that make clots of all sorts more likely to form.

    In a case report published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine, Chinese doctors described a patient with severe COVID-19, clots evident in several parts of his body, and immune proteins called antiphospholipid antibodies.

    A hallmark of an autoimmune disease called antiphospholipid syndrome, these antibodies sometimes occur as a passing response to an infection. But sometimes they linger, causing dangerous blood clots in the legs, kidneys, lungs and brain. In pregnant women, antiphospholipid syndrome also can result in miscarriage and stillbirth.

    Brennan said that in a new disease like COVID-19, the signposts that usually guide physicians in assessing a patient’s long-term prognosis are just not there yet. “Coagulopathy,” for instance, “usually rights itself,” he said.

    “But this isn’t usual.”

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-10/coronavirus-infection-can-do-lasting-damage-to-the-heart-liver
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    Post by disident Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:27 pm

    E moje naivčne, Kosmajac sada karta šaha i jede sladoled tortu sa Arkanom na Kipru


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    Post by beatakeshi Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:28 pm

    Znači kokain ne leči koronu?
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:59 pm

    Više građana sa juga Srbije sa teškim simptomima korona virusa i bolničkim uputima nije primljeno na bolničko lečenje u Klinički centar Niš
    https://www.juznevesti.com/Drushtvo/Gradjani-pitaju-zasto-ih-sa-bolnickim-uputom-za-lecenje-od-korone-ne-primaju-u-KC-Nis.sr.html
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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:19 pm

    u niskim bolnicama oduvek samo veza, lajanje i pretnja rade. kljucni momenat je ovo u boldu: ljudi se boje da govore javno o tretmanu koji dozivljavaju od zdravstevnog sistema jer se boje da ce da tek onda im bude uskracen

    Pitanja o ovim slučajevima, ali i drugih građana koji nisu želeli da govore javno novinari su uputili Kliničkom centru, pitali su i o procedurama prijema i hospitalizacije pacijenata koji imaju simtome ili su pozitivni na virus korona. Takođe su pitanja upućena i Ministarstvu zdravlja. Odgovore nadležnih očekujemo.

    znaci bukvalno ovo

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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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