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    Post by disident Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:25 pm

    Zastrasujuce zvuci to sto se uporno prica na konferencijama da su bolnicki kapaciteti skoro pa popunjeni


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:31 pm

    Nije lose u smislu da je prosiren broj testiranih a da cifra pozitivnih ostaje vise manje tu negde. To je dobro. Ali bi broj pozitivnih po danu zaista trebalo uskoro da pocne da pada.
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    Post by MNE Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:00 pm

    disident wrote:Zastrasujuce zvuci to sto se uporno prica na konferencijama da su bolnicki kapaciteti skoro pa popunjeni

    da isprepadaju malo narod pred praznike
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    Post by disident Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:42 pm

    Da ne budu samo penzosi, evo i mladji su maloumni takodje


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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:50 pm

    А већ сам тео да те другарски искритикујем...
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    Post by kapetanm Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:17 pm

    disident wrote:Zastrasujuce zvuci to sto se uporno prica na konferencijama da su bolnicki kapaciteti skoro pa popunjeni
    Pa to zvuči logično s obzirom da je poroces izlečenja spor tako da svakodnevno stižu novi a već bolesni ostaju i sporo izlaze. I tako se skuplja, ne može kao protočni bojler
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:27 am

    Ministar zdravlja Zlatibor Lončar izjavio je večeras da kao ministar lično garantuje da je predsednik Srbije Aleksandar Vučić poštovao sve procedure.

    a, pa onda je ok
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:27 am

    dupli
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:35 am

    High prevalence of obesity in severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus‐2 (SARS‐CoV‐2) requiring invasive mechanical ventilation

    In this retrospective cohort study we analyzed the relationship between clinical characteristics, including body mass index (BMI), and the requirement for invasive mechanical ventilation (IMV) in 124 consecutive patients admitted in intensive care for SARS‐CoV‐2, in a single French center.
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    Overall, 85 patients (68.6%) required invasive mechanical ventilation (IMV). The proportion of patients who required IMV increased with BMI categories, and it was greatest in patients with BMI >35 kg/m2 (85.7%).

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    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/oby.22831
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:41 am



    Steins tamo tvrdi da je sve što ovaj naš priča suva istina.

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    Post by boomer crook Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:57 am

    rumbeando wrote:
    High prevalence of obesity in severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus‐2 (SARS‐CoV‐2) requiring invasive mechanical ventilation

    In this retrospective cohort study we analyzed the relationship between clinical characteristics, including body mass index (BMI), and the requirement for invasive mechanical ventilation (IMV) in 124 consecutive patients admitted in intensive care for SARS‐CoV‐2, in a single French center.
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    Overall, 85 patients (68.6%) required invasive mechanical ventilation (IMV). The proportion of patients who required IMV increased with BMI categories, and it was greatest in patients with BMI >35 kg/m2 (85.7%).

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    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/oby.22831


    sada se brinem za burazera u kanadi.


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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:00 am

    Less than 1% of the Austrian population is “acutely infected” with coronavirus, new research based on testing a representative sample of more than 1,500 people suggests.

    The government-commissioned study, reportedly the first of its kind in continental Europe, was led by the polling company Sora, which is known for projecting election results, in cooperation with the Red Cross, the Medical University of Vienna, and other institutions.

    The study made it possible to estimate the prevalence of acute coronavirus infections in Austria among those not in hospital at the beginning of April, and was designed to provide a clearer picture of the total number of infections, given gaps in testing.

    The research, if replicated and confirmed elsewhere, would appear to scotch hopes of countries being remotely close to relying on “herd immunity” – where enough of the population is exposed to the virus to build up a combined immunity – as a viable policy option.

    The study stands in contrast to controversial modelling by researchers at Oxford University who, in one scenario they examined, suggested most people in the UK might already have been infected with Covid-19.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/less-than-1-of-austria-infected-with-coronavirus-new-study-shows#maincontent
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    Post by boomer crook Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:08 am

    pa sta je acute infection?


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    Post by boomer crook Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:09 am

    mislim ako si dobio ono zapaljenje pluca VEROVATNO si vec ili u bolnici ili u onim kosturnicama ispod beca


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    Post by boomer crook Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:12 am

    mislim i ja verujem da smo daleko od imuniteta krda ali ovo je kurcovo glupiranje. sondiranje javnog mnjenja i trazenje podrske za mere a ne naucno istrazivanje. vidi se da su on i vucic ono dva jazavca iz istog brega.


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    Post by rumbeando Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:28 am

    Više primljenih na intenzivnu negu u Britaniji je umrlo nego što je iz nje otpušteno živo. 56,5% pacijenata primljenih na intenzivnu negu i dalje je tamo.

    ICNARC report on COVID-19 in critical care
    10 April 2020


    To date, ICNARC have been notified of 4690 admissions by critical care units in England, Wales and Northern Ireland with confirmed COVID-19, either at or after admission to critical care. Of these, early data covering the first 24 hours in the critical care unit have been submitted to ICNARC for 4292 admissions for 3883 patients. Of the 3883 patients, 871 patients have died, 818 patients have been discharged alive from critical care and 2194 patients were last reported as still receiving critical care.

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    https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/41bbc4bb-2c7b-ea11-9124-00505601089b
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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:35 am

    Mór Thököly wrote:
    Ministar zdravlja Zlatibor Lončar izjavio je večeras da kao ministar lično garantuje da je predsednik Srbije Aleksandar Vučić poštovao sve procedure.

    a, pa onda je ok


    Ako je bilo ikakve sumnje u to da lažu, sada je više nema.

    Pitaj mog brata lažova. Keve mi Nevenke.


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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:08 am

    erős paprika wrote:
    sada se brinem za burazera u kanadi.
    Где ти је брат и што се бринеш? Мислим, има делова Канаде који су бољи и гори у погледу овога, али мислим да је и у најгорој варијанти ипак неупоредиво боље него у Србији.
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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:45 am

    брине због БМИ, Канада није битна
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    Post by ontheotherhand Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:32 am

    Tri nova važna otkrića o koroni, nijedno nije dobro

    https://nova.rs/region/tri-nova-vazna-otkrica-o-koroni-nijedno-nije-dobro/


    SARS-CoV-2 je mnogo zarazniji nego što se mislilo

    Dosadašnje studije pokazivale su da je COVID-19 relativno zarazna bolest. Njen bazni broj reprodukcije R0, koji govori koliko će ljudi u proseku zaraziti jedna bolesna osoba, bio je procenjen na oko 2,5.
    Međutim, jedno novo istraživanje s kojim je juče izašao američki Centar za kontrolu i prevenciju bolesti (CDC) pokazao je da je SARS-CoV-2 mnogo zarazniji, odnosno da je njegov R0 = 5,7. To znači da jedna osoba za vreme trajanja bolesti u proseku zarazi gotovo šestoro ljudi. Jedan od faktora koji su se promenili od prvih studija jeste trajanje inkubacije. Naime, pokazalo se da ona traje značajno manje nego što se u početku mislilo, što znači da osoba ranije postaje zarazna, pa ostaje više vremena za širenje virusa. Drugi je bolja procena uloge ljudi koji su zaraženi, ali nisu identifikovani, a koji su prošli ispod radara.

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    Nizak nivo antitela kod onih koji su preležali virus

    Jedno novo, preliminarno istraživanje, objavljeno u ponedeljak na platformi Medrxiv.org, koje su sproveli šangajski naučnici, pokazalo je da neke osobe koje su preležale covid-19 imaju vrlo nizak nivo antitela i da ih neke čak uopšte nemaju.
    Tim sa Univerziteta Fudan istražio je uzorke 175 osoba koje su otpuštene iz šangajske bolnice nakon što su preležali koronu. Analiza je pokazala da je čak jedna trećina imala iznenađujuće nizak nivo antitela i da kod nekih testovi uopšte nisu uspevali da otkriju antitela.

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    Virus ne reaguje na toplo vreme


    Ipak kada su virusi novi i jako zarazni, kao što je SARS-CoV-2, njima nisu potrebne posebne pogodnosti da bi se širili. Oni uspevaju da se šire čak i kada okolnosti nisu optimalne.
    To je potvrdila jedna nova kineska naučna studija, koja je pokazala da porast prosečne temperature uglavnom pozitivno korelira s brojem slučajeva covida-19 i da nema dokaza da bi širenje moglo prestati s dolaskom leta.

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    Kombinacija svojstava covida-19 je vrlo opasna

    Uz sve navedeno treba uzeti u obzir studije koje su pokazale da je covid-19 čak 15-ak puta smrtonosnija bolest od sezonskog gripa. Jedna studija objavljena 30. marta u uglednom časopisu “Lancet” pokazala je da je smrtnost, odnosno letalnost covida-19 oko 1,38%, s time da rizik raste s godinama pacijenata.
    Zanimljivo je da je prema tom radu smrtnost od covida-19 veća od smrtnosti gripa već u uzrastu od 30 godina na više.
    Treba imati na umu da covid-19 mogu širiti i asimptomatski pacijenti i da je prijavljeno više slučajeva superširitelja koji mogu zaraziti daleko veći broj ljudi od očekivanog.
    Covid-19 velikim delom od oko 12% uzrokuje teške kliničke slike zbog kojih se pacijenti moraju hospitalizovati u odeljenjim za intenzivno lečenje. Oko 5% obolelih idu na respiratore. To uzrokuje usporavanje i zakrčenje zdravstvenog sistema i njegov kolaps koji za posledicu ima da brojni bolesnici svih uzrasta i mladi i stari, umiru od drugih bolesti koje su u normalnim okolnostima relativno lako izlečive. Ovo je već došlo do izražaja u više zemalja, posebno u pokrajini Hubei u Kini, u Italiji, Španiji i SAD-u.
    Ne ulazimo u fazu popuštanja, nego se spremamo za više nivoe upravljanja virusom.
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    Post by Sotir Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:49 am

    BMI>35 је нпр висина 2м и тежина преко 140 кила, односно 1,85м и 120 кила.
    BMI>30 је нпр висина 2м и тежина преко 120 кила.

    Са тим тежинама долазе и леп пакет других пратећих проблема.
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    Post by MNE Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:39 am

    zavisi kako je ta težina raspoređena, ja imam 115 kg na 1.88 i jedino što mi zasmeta je trčanje po tvrdoj podlozi (bole pete nakon dužeg trčanja)

    a znam neke moje visine koji imaju 20-30 kila manje a sve ih živo boli, razlog je što uopšte ne treniraju imaju slaba leđa noge itd.
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    Post by ontheotherhand Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:28 am

    tzv. skinny fat
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    Post by kondo Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:05 am

    erős paprika wrote:
    rumbeando wrote:
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/oby.22831


    sada se brinem za burazera u kanadi.


    malo i za mene, BMI 33

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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:38 pm

    Scientists have discovered six entirely new coronaviruses lurking in bats in Myanmar. 

    These viruses are in the same family as the SARS-CoV-2 virus that is currently spreading across the globe; but the researchers said the newbies aren't closely related genetically to SARS-CoV-2 or to the two other coronaviruses that cause severe infections in humans — severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which caused the 2002-2003 pandemic, and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).

    6 new coronaviruses discovered in bats https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB12sBul?m=en-xl&referrerID=InAppShare

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