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    Post by Cowboy Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:12 pm

    Papa Lazarou wrote:Virus - Page 24 3579118792

    a ovo sa testiranjem u SAD postaje bizarno. onog dana kad počnu masovno testiranje, imaće verovatno odjednom par hiljada slučajeva i neće uopšte biti moguće objasniti javnosti da to nije nagli porast obolelih već proširenje kriterijuma za testiranje. berza će tog dana otići u majčinu. prilično je jasno da je ovo odugovlačenje, ma koliko da je posledica neorganizovanosti i nedostatka novca, ujedno i politička odluka. ali što više čekaju, biće im gore kada budu počeli da objavljuju brojke.

    To i mene cudi, dolazi nesto na naplatu neizbezno i bice ozbiljno naplaceno sto se vise odlaze - ali jok bre, odlozimo do u beskonacno, mozda niko ne primeti lesheve po ulicama.

    gde si @Gazzo pushka te ubila Virus - Page 24 1552546758 Virus - Page 24 1552546758
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    Post by bela maca Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:29 pm

    ja se nešto ne sećam te španske groznice.


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    Post by паће Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:31 pm

    Да си била међу оних 30 милиона, итекако би се сећала...


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    Post by Cowboy Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:42 pm

    bela maca wrote:ja se nešto ne sećam te španske groznice.

    Tvoja prababa ili pradeda se secaju sigurno.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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    Post by паће Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:53 pm

    Нешто чудно си написао 1919. годину.


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    Post by Cowboy Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:03 pm

    Papa Lazarou wrote:Virus - Page 24 3579118792

    a ovo sa testiranjem u SAD postaje bizarno. onog dana kad počnu masovno testiranje, imaće verovatno odjednom par hiljada slučajeva i neće uopšte biti moguće objasniti javnosti da to nije nagli porast obolelih već proširenje kriterijuma za testiranje. berza će tog dana otići u majčinu. prilično je jasno da je ovo odugovlačenje, ma koliko da je posledica neorganizovanosti i nedostatka novca, ujedno i politička odluka. ali što više čekaju, biće im gore kada budu počeli da objavljuju brojke.


    ... zapravo evo toka te igre:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/middleeast/coronavirus-iran.html


    Nearly three dozen Iranian government officials and members of parliament are infected and a senior adviser to the supreme leader has died.
    The Health Ministry has proposed sending 300,000 militia members door-to-door on a desperate mission to sanitize homes. The top prosecutor has warned that anyone hoarding face masks and other public health equipment risks the death penalty.
    Iran’s leaders confidently predicted just two weeks ago that the coronavirus contagion ravaging China would not be a problem in their country. They even bragged of exporting face masks to their Chinese trading partners.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:48 pm

    bemty wrote:proslo.

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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 am

    Dobrodošo, Kauboje. Šta se to dešava tamo, pa nam ovde migrirate? Prvo Namenski, pa sad i ti...


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    Post by lalinea Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:37 am

    U vezi spanskog gripa i mutiranja i korone - ova korona je stabilan virus, nece mutirati svake sezone. (Izvor: doktor koji vodi krizni odgovor interno, mislim da je preneo WHO podatak).
    Takodje, za sada nema potvrdjenih slucajeva prenosa sa nosioca koji ne pokazuje simptome (za sve sumnjive slucajeve se ispostavilo da nije bila asimptomatska faza).


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    Post by Cowboy Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:39 am

    Namenski? Koji mu je nick ovde?

    Tamo je bio beli medved Virus - Page 24 2304934895 nisam znao da je sada na burundiju. Ja sam banovan na mesec dana jer sam Vucica nazvao neuspesnim Hitlerom, i to na forumu koji je Djilasa zvanicno oslovljavao sa "Djitler".
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    Post by Cowboy Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:42 am

    lalinea wrote:U vezi spanskog gripa i mutiranja i korone - ova korona je stabilan virus, nece mutirati svake sezone. (Izvor: doktor koji vodi krizni odgovor interno, mislim da je preneo WHO podatak).
    Takodje, za sada nema potvrdjenih slucajeva prenosa sa nosioca koji ne pokazuje simptome (za sve sumnjive slucajeve se ispostavilo da nije bila asimptomatska faza).

    Daj boze. Ima dosta oprecnih informacija, epidemiolozi su uglavnom vrlo oprezni u davanju procena jos uvek. Jer to bi znacilo da ovo moze da se suzbije relativno lako, a vidim da ipak nije slucaj.

    Imas li neki link ka ovome da oni bez simptoma nisu zarazni? Jer je onda 1 koji zarazi u proseku 5,5 ljudi vrlo cudan rejt. Za obican grip je valjda 1 koma nesto. Na jednom ozbiljnom mestu sam procitao da deca uglavnom ne prenose virus (?)
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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:02 am

    Scores of retired NHS doctors and nurses have told the Guardian that they are against returning to work to help tackle coronavirus, with many saying it would threaten their physical and mental health. The government confirmed contingency plans on Tuesday to call back to work NHS “leavers and retirees” to help relieve pressure on an NHS workforce that is expected to be overwhelmed by the virus.


    But a majority of 120 former NHS employees who responded to a Guardian callout were resistant, and in some cases hostile, to the idea. Many respondents said unprompted they did not want to a return to a working environment where they suffered stress, bullying, burnout and even breakdowns.


    Seventy-one said they would not be happy to return to work, with many expressing their reluctance in vehement terms. “After the way I was treated I would rather shove a rusty six-inch nail up my backside than return to my old job,” said a 67-year-old former staff nurse from Manchester.


    Anthony O’Neill, 58, from Glasgow, said: “No, nein, non, nej! Was a hospital physician for 32 years: never ever going back.” And a 60-year-old London GP said: “I left general practice due to burnout. I would not go back under any circumstances.”


    A 58-year-old former GP from Northamptonshire said he “jumped ship early” after “being repeatedly shafted by successive administrations”. He asked: “Why would I go back?”


    A former senior sister from Wigan said she still has “nightmares 12 years on about the extraordinary working conditions”. Another said: “I left nursing in disgust at the treatment of nursing and ancillary staff by a toxic and bullying management culture.” And a nurse from Cheshire said: “I still feel quite angry that I felt no option but to retire at 55.”


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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:28 am

    Biće bolje kad se oslobode briselskih okova.
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:02 pm

    Uvodni govor šefa SZO na KZŠ juče:

    WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 3 March 2020
    3 March 2020

    Good afternoon, and thank you once again for joining us in person and also online.

    Today is my birthday, and I’ve been given a very good gift from DRC, from my own continent Africa. We have now had two weeks without a single reported case of Ebola, and there are currently no patients receiving treatment.

    This is very good news not just for me, but for the whole world – I remember how the whole world was worried about Ebola – and especially for the thousands of health workers who have sacrificed so much in the fight against Ebola, and for making sure we’re where we are. But as one epidemic looks like ending, one front of the fight closing, another is becoming increasingly complex.

    There is now a total of 90,893 reported cases of COVID-19 globally, and 3110 deaths.

    In the past 24 hours, China reported 129 cases, the lowest number of cases since the 20th of January.

    Outside China, 1848 cases were reported in 48 countries. 80% of those cases are from just three countries: the Republic of Korea, the Islamic Republic of Iran and Italy.

    12 new countries have reported their first cases, and there are now 21 countries with one case.

    122 countries have not reported any cases.

    The actions these newly-affected countries take today will be the difference between a handful of cases and a larger cluster.

    We understand that people are afraid and uncertain. Fear is a natural human response to any threat, especially when it’s a threat we don’t completely understand.

    But as we get more data, we are understanding this virus, and the disease it causes, more and more.

    This virus is not SARS, it’s not MERS, and it’s not influenza. It is a unique virus with unique characteristics.

    Both COVID-19 and influenza cause respiratory disease and spread the same way, via small droplets of fluid from the nose and mouth of someone who is sick.


    However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.

    First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.

    With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.

    Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days.

    Some countries are looking for cases of COVID-19 using surveillance systems for influenza and other respiratory diseases.

    Countries such as China, Ghana, Singapore and elsewhere have found very few cases of COVID-19 among such samples – or no cases at all.

    The only way to be sure is by looking for COVID-19 antibodies in large numbers of people, and several countries are now doing those studies. This will give us further insight into the extent of infection in populations over time.

    WHO has developed protocols on how these studies should be done, and we encourage all countries to do these studies and share their data.

    The second major difference is that COVID-19 causes more severe disease than seasonal influenza.

    While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

    Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.

    Third, we have vaccines and therapeutics for seasonal flu, but at the moment there is no vaccine and no specific treatment for COVID-19. However, clinical trials of therapeutics are now being done, and more than 20 vaccines are in development.

    And fourth, we don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu – it’s just not possible. But it is possible for COVID-19. We don’t do contact tracing for seasonal flu – but countries should do it for COVID-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.

    To summarize, COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick, it causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained – which is why we must do everything we can to contain it. That’s why WHO recommends a comprehensive approach.

    These differences mean we can’t treat COVID-19 exactly the same way we treat flu.

    But there are enough similarities to mean that countries are not starting from scratch. For decades, many countries have invested in building up their systems to detect and respond to influenza.

    Because COVID-19 is also a respiratory pathogen, those systems can, should and are being adapted for COVID-19.

    But we are concerned that countries’ abilities to respond are being compromised by the severe and increasing disruption to the global supply of personal protective equipment – caused by rising demand, hoarding and misuse.

    Shortages are leaving doctors, nurses and other frontline healthcare workers dangerously ill-equipped to care for COVID-19 patients, due to limited access to supplies such as gloves, medical masks, respirators, goggles, face shields, gowns, and aprons.

    We can’t stop COVID-19 without protecting our health workers.

    Prices of surgical masks have increased six-fold, N95 respirators have more than tripled, and gowns cost twice as much.

    Supplies can take months to deliver, market manipulation is widespread, and stocks are often sold to the highest bidder.

    WHO has shipped nearly half a million sets of personal protective equipment to 27 countries, but supplies are rapidly depleting.

    WHO estimates that each month, 89 million medical masks will be required for the COVID-19 response; 76 million examination gloves, and 1.6 million goggles.

    WHO has guidelines on how to rationalize the use of personal protective equipment in health facilities and manage supply chains effectively.

    We’re also working with governments, manufacturers and the Pandemic Supply Chain Network to boost production and secure supplies for critically affected and at-risk countries.

    Globally, it is estimated that PPE supplies need to be increased by 40 per cent.

    We continue to call on manufacturers to urgently increase production to meet this demand and guarantee supplies.

    And we have called on governments to develop incentives for manufacturers to ramp up production. This includes easing restrictions on the export and distribution of personal protective equipment and other medical supplies.

    Once again, this is a question of solidarity. This cannot be solved by WHO alone, or one industry alone. It requires all of us working together to ensure all countries can protect the people who protect the rest of us.

    I thank you.
    https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:14 pm

    Dakle, na nekih 100.000 slučajeva u celom svetu već postoje nestašice opreme i problemi s nedostatkom lekara u najkritičnijim zemljama. Teško je i zamisliti kakav haos će nastati ako/kad u svetu bude milion, deset ili sto miliona zaraženih.

    Nije uopšte nemoguće da će Kina, bude li uspela da zadrži zarazu kod sebe pod kontrolom, nadoknaditi dobar deo ekonomskih gubitaka izvozeći opremu u ove "pametne" zemlje što su namerile da puste da se praktično svi pre ili kasnije zaraze.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:41 pm

    Da budemo fer, ta nestašica nema isti uzrok. Iran nema medicinsku infrastrukturu zato što je siromašna zemlja. Amerika - zato što je tamo zdravlje luksuz.


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    Post by ficfiric Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:34 pm

    Cowboy wrote:Ja sam banovan na mesec dana jer sam Vucica nazvao neuspesnim Hitlerom, i to na forumu koji je Djilasa zvanicno oslovljavao sa "Djitler".

    Vala, neka su. Dosta te price kako su svi isti Virus - Page 24 3402243210


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    Post by rumbeando Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:44 pm

    Evo jedna malo drugačija i reklo bi se relevantnija statistika: broj zaraženih na milion stanovnika po zemljama. Nisam detaljno proveravao podatke, samo za KOR, CHI i ITA, ali svakako bi se reklo da su Andoru zaboravili.



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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:07 pm

    Italija zatvorila sve škole i univerzitete u zemlji.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:11 pm

    Papa Lazarou wrote:Italija zatvorila sve škole i univerzitete u zemlji.

    Mlečići. Kako Germani i Sloveni ovo stojički podnose i pri tom imaju mnogo manje zarazenih...
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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:13 pm

    Nemačka, Francuska i Španija će isto tako za najviše 10 dana. Matematika je neumoljiva.

    Meni je drago da je naša zemlja pošteđena nepotrebne panike Virus - Page 24 298304839
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    Post by kondo Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:15 pm

    Sve im je lepo rekao Jirgen Klop.


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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:38 pm

    Italijani italijanuju.

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    Post by Guest Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:39 pm

    inače Meka i Medina su od danas potpuno zatvoreni za hodočašća.
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    Post by boomer crook Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:42 pm

    redzepi neverue


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