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    rumbeando

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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:25 pm

    Opinions on the coronavirus outbreak

    Last updated: February 24, 01:05 GMT
    Expert opinions listed in reverse chronological order. Click on a quote to expand.

    The director general of the WHO has recently spoken of a narrowing of the window of opportunity to control the current epidemic. The tipping point - after which our ability to prevent a global pandemic ends - seems a lot closer after the past 24 hours

    Prof. Paul Hunter
    Professor of Health Protection
    University of East Anglia

    Feb. 23, 2020

    The number of reports from multiple different countries in the past 36 hours showing what is most likely community human to human spread of SARS-CoV-2 confirms fears that the virus is on its way to causing a pandemic

    Prof. Dr. Benhur Lee, MD
    Professor of Microbiology
    Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (ISMMS)

    Feb. 21, 2020

    All predictions are important. Most predictions are wrong. And I think we must be careful with that.
    [asked about prediction that Covid-19 could affect 2/3 of world's population]

    Dr. Michael Ryan
    Executive Director
    WHO Health Emergencies Programme
    Feb. 17, 2020

    I think it is likely we will see a global pandemic. If a pandemic happens, 40% to 70% of people world-wide are likely to be infected in the coming year. What proportion is asymptomatic, I can't give a good number

    Prof. Marc Lipsitch
    Prof. of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health
    Head, Harvard Ctr. Communicable Disease Dynamics

    Feb. 14, 2020

    I think this virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we'll get community based transmission and you can start to think about it like seasonal flu. The only difference is we don't understand this virus
    Dr. Robert Redfield
    Director, CDC
    US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

    Feb. 13, 2020

    This is really a global problem that’s not going to go away in a week or two.

    What makes this one perhaps harder to control than SARS is that it may be possible to transmit before you are sick.

    I think we should be prepared for the equivalent of a very, very bad flu season, or maybe the worst-ever flu season in modern times.


    Prof. Marc Lipsitch
    Prof. of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health
    Head, Harvard Ctr. Communicable Disease Dynamics

    Feb. 11, 2020

    I hope this outbreak may be over in something like April

    Prof. Nanshan Zhong
    Leading epidemiologist, first to describe SARS coronavirus
    Feb. 11, 2020

    It could infect 60% of global population if unchecked

    Prof. Gabriel Leung
    Expert on coronavirus epidemics
    Chair of Public Health Medicine
    Hong Kong University

    Feb. 11, 2020

    It’s a new virus. We don’t know much about it, and therefore we’re all concerned to make certain it doesn’t evolve into something even worse

    Prof. W. Ian Lipkin
    Epidemiology Director
    Columbia University
    Feb. 10, 2020

    We are estimating that about 50,000 new infections per day are occurring in China. [...] It will probably peak in its epicenter, Wuhan, in about one month time; maybe a month or two later in the whole of China. The rest of the world will see epidemics at various times after that. (EXPAND FOR VIDEO)

    Prof. Neil Ferguson
    Director, Institute for Disease and Emergency Analytics
    Imperial College, London

    Feb. 6, 2020

    This looks far more like H1N1’s spread than SARS, and I am increasingly alarmed
    Dr. Peter Piot
    (Director, The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine)
    Feb. 2, 2020

    It sounds and looks as if it’s going to be a very highly transmissible virus [...] This virus may still be learning what it can do, we don’t know its full potential yet.

    Robert Webster
    (Infectious disease and avian flu expert at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital)

    Feb. 2, 2020

    Increasingly unlikely that the virus can be contained
    Dr. Thomas R. Frieden
    (Former Director of CDC)

    Feb. 2, 2020

    It’s very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic. But will it be catastrophic? I don’t know
    Dr. Anthony S. Fauci
    (Director, National Inst. Allergy and Infectious Disease)

    Feb. 2, 2020

    Until [containment] is impossible, we should keep trying
    Dr. Mike Ryan
    (Head of the WHO’s Emergencies Program)
    Feb. 1, 2020

    The more we learn about it, the greater the possibility is that transmission will not be able to be controlled with public health measures

    Dr. Allison McGeer
    (Director of Infection Control, Mount Sinai Hospital)

    Jan. 26, 2020
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-expert-opinions/
    rumbeando

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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:36 pm

    Klinička slika obolelih iz još u stručnim časopisima neobjavljene i nerecenzirane studije koja je metaanalizom obuhvatila 50.000 pacijenata.

    9 studies were included in Meta-analysis, including a total of 50404 patients with 2019-nCoV infection.According to Meta-analysis, among the clinical characteristics of patients with 2019-nCoV infection, the incidence of fever is 90.9% , the incidence of cough is 70.8%, and the incidence of muscle soreness or fatigue is 41%. The incidence of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) was 14.8%, the incidence of abnormal chest CT was 95.6%, the proportion of severe cases in all infected cases was 21.3%, and the mortality rate of patients with 2019-nCoV infection was 4.8%.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024539v1
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:43 pm

    The first case of a novel coronavirus (Covid-19) in Greece was reported on Wednesday, with the patient identified as a 38-year-old woman from Thessaloniki who had recently visited the north of Italy.

    According to a health ministry announcement, the woman is being treated at a public hospital in Thessaloniki.

    Her case was described as "mild", and previously asymptomatic. Additionally, people in her immediate family and close friends were voluntarily placed in a quarantine.
    https://www.naftemporiki.gr/story/1566008/first-instance-of-coronavirus-reported-in-greece
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:47 pm

    Posledica današnjeg Vučićevog obraćanja je sledeća: lekari i nadležni™ iz straha od odmazde neće se baviti sprečavanjem epidemije. Nikakvih priprema neće biti, pošto je Vučić rekao da su već obavljene.
    Ništa, uzdamo se u spontano jenjavanje epidemije.
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    Post by kondo Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:00 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
    The first case of a novel coronavirus (Covid-19) in Greece was reported on Wednesday, with the patient identified as a 38-year-old woman from Thessaloniki who had recently visited the north of Italy.

    According to a health ministry announcement, the woman is being treated at a public hospital in Thessaloniki.

    Her case was described as "mild", and previously asymptomatic. Additionally, people in her immediate family and close friends were voluntarily placed in a quarantine.
    https://www.naftemporiki.gr/story/1566008/first-instance-of-coronavirus-reported-in-greece


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    Post by Somlói Galuska Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:26 pm

    Umirujuće

    Ako ste stari izmedju 50-60 godina, imate 1.3% šanse umrijeti ako ste, ne daj Bože, zaraženi sa virusom.

    edit - slaže se sa onom tabelom koju je postovao rumbeando
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:41 pm

    Dakle on kaže da je epidemija statičan sistem. Ekstrapolirao je podatke iz žarišta epidemije, u kome ljudi ne izlaze iz svojih stanova, i primenio na ostatak planete, usput pretpostavivši da je epidemija u Vuhanu završena, pa da se iz nje mogu izvlačiti dalekosežni zaključci. 

    Potpuno je ignorisao činjenicu karantina.
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:43 pm

    Ovo je zapravo najdrastičniji primer "model mi zapinje zbog ove brojke, hajde da je izbacim" koji sam ikada video. Zaustavio je epidemiju da bi dokazao poentu, sveo Ro na nulu i zanemario karantinske mere.
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    Post by Somlói Galuska Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:51 pm

    Ček, da vidim da li te dobro razumem, ovaj deo oko karantina - ti hoćeš da kažeš da će se virus na drugim mestima prenositi brže, zato što tamo neće biti karantina?
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:19 pm

    Hoću da kažem tačno ono što sam rekao, da je ovo aljkavo umovanje.

    Ne znam za druga mesta, ali hajmo o Vuhanu samo minut, pošto je ovaj tekst pisan u skladu sa parolom VUHAN JE SVET, svuda je sve isto kao tamo, poručuje nam autor. Da li bi se širio brže da nije bilo karantina? Mislim da je to absofakinlutli tako, pošto u Vuhanu hapse kad izađeš iz zgrade.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:22 pm

    Papa Lazarou wrote:Ovo je zapravo najdrastičniji primer "model mi zapinje zbog ove brojke, hajde da je izbacim" koji sam ikada video. Zaustavio je epidemiju da bi dokazao poentu, sveo Ro na nulu i zanemario karantinske mere.

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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:34 pm

    Papa Lazarou wrote:Ekstrapolirao je podatke iz žarišta epidemije, u kome ljudi ne izlaze iz svojih stanova, i primenio na ostatak planete, usput pretpostavivši da je epidemija u Vuhanu završena, pa da se iz nje mogu izvlačiti dalekosežni zaključci.

    Evo po kojoj ceni broj zaraženih opada u Vuhanu. Iz današnje navodne ispovesti jednog stanovnika Vuhana koji je već nekoliko puta pisao o epidemiji na Redditu (ovde i ovde). Naravno, ne znači da je svima život tako organizovan.

    As for food. They are being really really strict about people leaving the house now. The main entrance to my condo is blocked (as like most others), and you need a permit to drive around. But you won’t be given a permit for running personal errands like groceries. Mostly they’re granted to volunteers driving medical professionals for work, food delivery services etc We can’t go to the supermarket for food. We can’t even leave our apartment complex.

    So basically, this is kinda how it works. We order food from the supermarket, or vendors who have the travelling permit, then they will deliver it to our condo, and residents will go and collect them. There will be a couple of different “packages”. Like option A includes 6 potatoes, 2 cabbages, 500g beef, option B has 5 carrots, 4 broccoli etcetc I’m just giving an example. So basically you don’t really get to choose what you wanna buy. It’s whatever they have available and you choose from limited options. Which I’m not complaining about. I’m grateful that we still have food.

    The thing is, we order in WeChat groups. Which means some older folks who are not good w technology might not be able to get food. So there are volunteers in each neighbourhood to help w they, among other things. My mum is one of them. The volunteers collect the food, weigh and package them and deliver them to the elderly who might be immobile or too weak to leave their house. The volunteers will also visit the chemist periodically w a list of medication that the residents need.

    It’s actually really heartwarming to see everyone helping each other. Like for example one of our neighbours was running out of flour, so we gave them some of ours. People are really looking out for one another and exchanging/giving goods and stuff. There was a baby who didn’t have enough baby formula and someone else gave some of theirs. It’s all pretty cute actually haha. My mum is a champ tho. She’s running around everywhere (within our neighbourhood) weighing, packing, delivering goods to people. It was her bday 2 days ago and she literally got home at 10pm. I’ve been helping her weigh and pack stuff at home too it’s small but it’s something I guess.

    I really didn’t realise how convenient our lives were before this. You gotta plan meals and use everything strategically. It’s crazy how many small details I’m aware of now that have never crossed my mind before.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f9rdqs/yet_another_update_to_currently_in_wuhan/

    Edit: dodati linkovi na ranije objave


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    Post by plachkica Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:40 pm

    uh, nestorović je bolji od hrvatskog naučnika



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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:43 pm

    Jbg, izgubili smo genitalije
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:45 pm

    Ne, stvarno, ovo nije zemlja već bolnica iz Alan Forda
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:47 pm

    Pulmolog Nestorović:
    Da nemamo test, ne bi[smo] znali da je epidemija.

    Znači imaju test i znaju da je epidemija, ali zvanično nema zaraženih. OK.
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:00 pm

    plachkica wrote:uh, nestorović je bolji od hrvatskog naučnika




    Kao što rekoh. Sada će se takmičiti ko je više kul. Ispadneš šmeker a i vlast to voli.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:07 pm

    Nego da vidimo osiromaseni uranijum...
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:14 pm

    Pismo medicinskih radnika iz Vuhana objavljeno u Lancetu prekjuče:

    The conditions and environment here in Wuhan are more difficult and extreme than we could ever have imagined. There is a severe shortage of protective equipment, such as N95 respirators, face shields, goggles, gowns, and gloves. The goggles are made of plastic that must be repeatedly cleaned and sterilised in the ward, making them difficult to see through. Due to the need for frequent hand washing, several of our colleagues' hands are covered in painful rashes. As a result of wearing an N95 respirator for extended periods of time and layers of protective equipment, some nurses now have pressure ulcers on their ears and forehead. When wearing a mask to speak with patients, our voices are muted, so we have to speak very loudly. Wearing four layers of gloves is abnormally clumsy and does not work—we can't even open the packaging bags for medical devices, so giving patients injections is a huge challenge. In order to save energy and the time it takes to put on and take off protective clothing, we avoid eating and drinking for 2 hours before entering the isolation ward. Often, nurses' mouths are covered in blisters. Some nurses have fainted due to hypoglycaemia and hypoxia.
    ...
    Due to an extreme shortage of health-care professionals in Wuhan, 14 000 nurses from across China have voluntarily come to Wuhan to support local medical health-care professionals. But we need much more help. We are asking nurses and medical staff from countries around the world to come to China now, to help us in this battle.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30065-6/fulltext

    Dakle, kao što se vidi, jel', epidemija u Kini je na zalasku, u Vuhanu se medicinari dosađuju i tako to.
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:25 pm

    На денешната прес конференција на премиерот Оливер Спасовски, министерот за здравство доц. д-р Венко Филипче и д-р Жарко Караџовски истакнаа дека официјално има еден потврден случај на заразен од коронавирус во Македонија.

    Станува збор за пациентка, родена 1970 година од Скопје, која одреден период престојувала во Италија.

    „Нема простор за паника, пациентката е сместена на Инфективната клиника во Одделот за изолација, соодветно се третира нејзината состојба. Епидемилошките анализи укажуваа на тоа дека таа еден месец била во Италија во посета на роднини. Веќе две недели е болна и иницијално се тестирала во здравствената установа во Италија и непосредно по влегувањето на нашата земја директно се упатила на Клиниката за инфективни болести во Скопје. Инкубацијата е помината и во моментот на транспорт таа не претставувала опасност за да ја пренесе болеста“, рече Филипче.

    https://tv21.tv/mk/ofitsijalno-prv-potvrden-sluchaj-na-koronavirus-vo-makedonija/

    Инкубацијата е помината и во моментот на транспорт таа не претставувала опасност за да ја пренесе болеста

    WTF?!?!
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:59 pm

    Kod 14% osoba otpuštenih kao oporavljene u kineskoj provinciji Gvangdong prisustvo virusa je kasnije ponovo potvrđeno.

    About 14 per cent of patients who recovered from the novel coronavirus and were discharged from hospitals in southern China's Guangdong province were tested positive again in later check-ups, according to the local health authority.

    A positive test suggests the recovered patients may still carry the virus, adding complexity to efforts to control the outbreak.
    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/14-of-recovered-coronavirus-patients-in-chinas-guangdong-tested-positive-again

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    Post by Sotir Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:59 pm

    Ово ми је ипак хит на овој страни:


    Prof. Dr. Benhur Lee, MD
    Professor of Microbiology
    Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (ISMMS)
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    Post by kondo Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:26 pm

    "Evo čitam kako je koronavirus došao kod nas u Hrvatsku... taman pred ljeto. Saću napokon otići ka čojk na more 10... 15 dana. Biti će apartmana po 8 eura dan, puni pansion.


    Luftao bi jaja na plaži... a po 40 metara oko mene nikog. Zvao bi gazdu apartmana, nek mi ručak donese na plažu... i nek ponese brusilicu da si odsječem nokte na nogama. Drugi dan na Hvar u restoran:


    - "Može lonac graha?"
    - "Imamo gospodine platu, orada, brancin i grdobina, sve za 2 eura!"
    - "Dajde onda i graha i platu! Ko je onaj što plače na terasi?"
    - "Vlasnik restorana gospodine"
    - "Točno ga razumijem. Tako sam i ja 30 godina plakao što ne mogu na more. Daj mu gajbu pive na moj račun!"


    Navečer bi otišao na Zrće, u praznom klubu pijan skakao u bazenčiću, dobacivao Davidu Guetti "Pojačaj do ibera, ne štedi te šarafe ćaća te ujebo!". Dileri bi prvu kilu ekstazija davali džaba a svaku sljedeću po euro. Jeo bi taj ekstazi ko kokice, iz guzice bi mi ispadao, golubovi bi ga kljocali iza mene... kasnije bi gol plesao zagrljen s jatom nadrogiranih golubova... 500tinjak golubova bi me nosili zrakom a ja raširenih ruku pjevao "Zamislio stari sokol da će umrijeti!"


    Taksi bi platio da me cjel dan vrti u rotoru.
    U klubu bi platio Rozgi da ne pjeva.
    Zavrtio bi rundu pića arapskom šeiku koji ne zna da je kod nas koronavirus... kolege smo jebiga.
    Gliser bi me u padobranu vozio cijeli dan, spavao bi zraku.


    Napokon došao red i na nas da si priuštimo more... eeeeeeheeeee, nije to mala stvar jebitito."


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