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    Post by паће Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:49 am

    Ови се зајебавају се тим фотографијама, ни две једнаке нису избацили досад. Уопште не личе једна на другу.


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       И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:20 pm

    PHOTOS: Scenes From The Epicenter Of The Coronavirus Outbreak
    ...
    As of Feb. 10, every compound, or residential complex, in Wuhan has been put under "closed-off management" orders by the government.

    The goal is to keep healthy people from getting infected by going out and about.

    Every compound is closed off with gates or other barricades, with only one gate to let people out. Each family in the compound can send one person out to purchase necessities once every three days. That person must register with an official before leaving, explain the purpose of their trip and give the time of departure. The individual's temperature is taken as well.

    When people leave the compound, they must wear masks. Because public transportation has been shut down, they drive, take cabs or ride bikes and scooters during the three-hour window for errands.

    Anyone showing symptoms that could indicate infection with the coronavirus — fever, for example, cannot leave and will be reported to the local community office as a suspected case.

    Delivery services are still operating. Restaurants, convenience stores, florists and supermarkets all will deliver their goods to customers.
    ...

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/15/805377706/photos-scenes-from-the-epicenter-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak (vrlo zanimljiva foto-galerija na linku)
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:13 am

    паће wrote:Ови се зајебавају се тим фотографијама, ни две једнаке нису избацили досад. Уопште не личе једна на другу.

    Baš čudno kad se uzme u obzir da je prva slika koju si komentarisao 3D ilustracija koja predstavlja generički koronavirus (ima je na iStocku za 29 dolara) a ne snimak napravljen elektronskim mikroskopom. I naravno razmera je sasvim drugačija.

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    Post by паће Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:15 am

    А па шта се зајебавају и слуђују народ - што не разделе те начињене електронским микроскопом? Миссим јака муда, тај микроскоп је постојао још у неком уџбенику за основну школу кад сам ја био основац, досад мора да је усавршен онолико. Фотка или није било, чему вам сва та техника.


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       И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:22 pm

    pa ova je prava fotka, pojavila se pre par dana.

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    Post by паће Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:28 pm

    Па што не кажу да јесте? Јбт некад је било нормално да слика има потпис, бар кад има везе са чланком и на њој је нешто из чланка. Овако изађе десет слика уз којекакве чланке, ни две исте, и једино могу да закључим да су све неке безвезне илустрације.

    Није до науке, до медија је.


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       И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:21 pm

    Spreadsheet sa svim ključnim podacima i grafikonima o ovoj epidemiji:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z7VQ5xlf3BaTx_LBBblsW4hLoGYWnZyog3jqsS9Dbgc/edit#gid=1449683565
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    Post by rumbeando Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:22 pm

    Iz gornjeg spreadsheeta:

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    Post by rumbeando Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:33 pm

    China has slowed its advance only by severely limiting people’s movement and closing businesses. If the government were to relax these controls too hastily, progress could stall or even go into reverse. So far, officials have erred on the side of caution. Provinces accounting for more than 90% of Chinese exports have kept factories either shut or running at low capacity since January 31st, when the lunar new-year holiday was due to end.

    It is hard to overstate the effect on the economy. Coal consumption is more than a third lower than the average for this time of year. Property sales are down by more than 90%. After the holiday some 200m people usually leave their home towns to return to work. This year the trains that carry migrants have been nearly empty. Cities have warned outsiders that they might face 14-day quarantines. Nine out of ten companies surveyed by the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai have employees working from home. Couriers still zoom around on their electric motorbikes, but the takeaway trade is not saving restaurants because people fear eating meals prepared by strangers who may be infected. Grabbing a latte is a risk too far. Starbucks has shut half its 4,000-plus cafés in China.
    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/02/13/how-chinas-coronavirus-epidemic-could-hurt-the-world-economy
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:27 am

    Skupljanje rasutog perja nazad u jastuk je u toku.

    Coronavirus Infection Found After Cruise Ship Passengers Disperse

    Amid assurances that the Westerdam was disease free, hundreds of people disembarked in Cambodia and headed for airports. One was later found to be infected.


    The cruise ship had been shunned at port after port for fear it might carry the coronavirus, but when the Westerdam arrived in Cambodia on Thursday, the prime minister greeted its passengers with flowers.

    Amid assurances that the ship was disease free, hundreds of elated passengers disembarked.
    Some went sightseeing, visiting beaches and restaurants and getting massages. Others traveled on to destinations around the world.

    One, however, did not make it much farther than the thermal scanners at the Kuala Lumpur airport in Malaysia. The passenger, an American, was stopped on Saturday, and later tested positive for the coronavirus.

    On Sunday, with passengers already headed for destinations on at least three continents, health officials were scrambling to determine how big a problem they now have — and how to stop it from getting bigger.

    “We anticipated glitches, but I have to tell you I didn’t anticipate one of this magnitude,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.

    With more than a thousand passengers from the Westerdam headed for home, Dr. Schaffner said, it may be harder than ever to keep the coronavirus outbreak contained to China.

    “This could be a turning point,” he said.


    It is unclear how well the passengers were screened before they were allowed off the ship. But the best approach to containing a broader spread of the virus from the Westerdam would be to track down all of the passengers and quarantine them for two weeks, experts said.

    It won’t be easy.

    Dr. Peter Rabinowitz, co-director of the MetaCenter for Pandemic Preparedness and Global Health Security at University of Washington, said the episode would test the limits of contact tracing, the method used to track down people exposed to infection.

    “It’s really daunting to control a situation like this now that people have gone all over the world,” Dr. Rabinowitz said.


    More than 140 passengers from the ship flew to Malaysia, and all but the American woman who tested positive and her husband were eventually allowed to continue on to their destinations, including the United States, the Netherlands and Australia, officials said. Over 1,000 other passengers took charter flights to Phnom Penh, the capital of Cambodia, and were in various stages of transit home, the cruise line said.

    When the Westerdam set sail from Hong Kong on Feb. 1 for a 14-day cruise, the Holland America Line cruise ship was carrying 1,455 passengers and 802 crew members.

    It docked in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, on Feb. 4, but then soon ran into trouble.

    With the eyes of the world on Yokohama, Japan, where the virus was spreading among passengers and crew members trapped on another cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, ports on the Westerdam’s itinerary began denying it entry.

    Taipei, Taiwan, said no. So did ports in Japan, the Philippines, Thailand and the United States territory of Guam, according to local news reports and passengers onboard.

    On Thursday, with Holland America insisting that no one on the Westerdam was infected, Cambodia agreed to let it dock.

    In Cambodia, the cruise line found a country whose leader, closely allied with Chinese officials, has cast doubts on the seriousness of the coronavirus outbreak
    , which has infected some 68,000 people and killed more than 1,600 in China.

    “Is there any Cambodian or foreigner in Cambodia who has died of the disease?” Prime Minister Hun Sen said earlier this month. “The real disease happening in Cambodia right now is the disease of fear.”

    And on Friday, President Trump tweeted his thanks to Cambodia for allowing the ship, more than 600 of whose passengers were Americans, to dock.

    But by opening his arms to Westerdam, Mr. Hun Sen may have put his own citizens at risk.

    As of Sunday, 233 passengers and 747 crew members were still on the ship docked at Sihanoukville, Cambodia, Holland America said. After Malaysia’s announcement that a passenger was infected, the remaining passengers and crew members were restricted to the ship, and buses that had been scheduled to transport them remained parked nearby.

    It was unclear whether Cambodia would seek to quarantine passengers who are still in the country, or whether those who had left by plane would face quarantine in their own countries when they arrived.

    On Sunday, Malaysia’s deputy prime minister, Wan Azizah Wan Ismail, said at a news conference that the American woman confirmed to be infected after she left the ship had tested positive twice for the virus.

    The woman, 83, and her husband, 85, also an American citizen, were both hospitalized and in isolation. The husband has also been tested twice for the virus, and the results were negative both times. But he has pneumonia, which is often a sign of the virus that appears before it can be identified through testing.

    The global fight against the coronavirus is complicated by the fact that different countries may have different levels of disease surveillance and prevention measures. While the World Health Organization provides guidance, it is up to each country to enforce these standards, including whether to quarantine people who may have been exposed or to stop them from traveling.

    The Cambodian government said passengers and crew members on the Westerdam had been screened using protocols from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the United States before being allowed to disembark.

    One passenger said Cambodian health officials had taken everyone’s temperature.

    About 20 people who had reported being sick during the trip were also tested for the coronavirus, according to a statement issued Sunday by the United States Embassy in Cambodia. All of them tested negative.

    The American woman was not among them. She did not visit the ship’s medical center during the cruise to report any symptoms of illness, Holland America said in a statement on Sunday.

    A U.S. State Department spokesperson said officials do not yet have enough evidence to determine when the passenger may have been exposed, and where.

    Dr. Schaffner, the infectious disease expert, said it might have been wiser to test each disembarking passenger instead of a select group because other screening methods — like travel questionnaires and taking temperatures — are fallible.

    People eager to get off a ship may not respond entirely truthfully to questioning, and sick people’s temperatures vary during the day, he said, generally being lower in the morning.

    When the American passenger first tested positive, both Holland America and Cambodia questioned the result, and requested further testing and confirmation. Malaysia carried out a second round of testing, and said Sunday that it had confirmed that the woman was infected. It remains unclear, however, when she was infected, where or by whom.

    Malaysia’s deputy prime minister said that the country would not accept any more passengers from the Westerdam.

    Coordination between Malaysia and Cambodia appears to have been minimal. In a letter seeking more information from his Malaysian counterpart on Sunday, the health minister of Cambodia, Mam Bunheng, said he had learned through the news media that the first test of the American woman had been positive.

    Attempts to contact Cambodian officials for comment were not immediately successful.

    Holland America said in its statement on Sunday that no other passengers or crew members had reported any symptoms and that passengers who had returned home would be contacted by their local health departments.

    There were no details on how that would be arranged.

    “We are in close coordination with some of the leading health experts from around the world,” said Dr. Grant Tarling, chief medical officer for Holland America Line. “These experts are working with the appropriate national health authorities to investigate and follow up with individuals who may have come in contact with the guest.”

    The company said that before the ship departed Hong Kong, the passports of everyone on board were reviewed to make sure that no one had traveled through mainland China in the 14 days before the cruise. But Hong Kong, itself, has been touched by the outbreak.

    The company defended the health screening it had conducted during the cruise and on arrival in Cambodia. But it did not respond to a question on whether it had been appropriate to let Westerdam passengers travel to many parts of the world without putting them in quarantine first.

    One of them, Christina Kerby, 41, a communications director with BlueShield in California, said she was among a group of passengers who had nasal and throat swabs taken in Phnom Penh on Sunday. Ms. Kerby was supposed to fly to Singapore on Sunday and then on to San Francisco.

    “The stress has absolutely taken its toll,” she said by telephone.

    Ms. Kerby said that her temperature had been taken two or three times during her stay on the ship, and that passengers were required to fill out health questionnaires detailing whether they had symptoms like cough, fever and diarrhea.

    “I can’t really comment on how this was missed, but I did feel very safe and well cared for on the ship,” she said, adding that she believed Holland America “was operating appropriately given the situation.”

    Ms. Kerby said she had discussed the risk of going on the cruise with her family. She boarded the ship in Hong Kong and traveled with her 75-year-old mother and her brother.

    “We made the decision that it’s not worth passing up the potential to have a lot of fun and see the world just out of fear,” she said. “That’s why I joined, and I think the other passengers have the same feeling.”

    Sun Narin contributed reporting from Sihanoukville, Cambodia.

    Richard C. Paddock has worked as a foreign correspondent in 50 countries on five continents with postings in Moscow, Jakarta, Singapore and Bangkok. He has spent nearly a dozen years reporting on Southeast Asia, which he has covered since 2016 as a contributor to The New York Times. @RCPaddock

    Sui-Lee Wee is a correspondent for The New York Times in the Beijing bureau. She has covered China for close to a decade and writes about social issues, gender, genetic surveillance, health care and the intersection of demographics and the economy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/coronavirus-cruise-americans.html
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:22 am

    nažalost, treba i mi da se pripremamo na radikalne životne promene tokom ove godine.

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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:24 am

    u karantinu je oko 50.000 ljudi u 11 gradova.
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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:34 pm

    ​Veselje se širi na sve strane.
     
    The authorities in Wuhan on Saturday introduced 14 days’ mandatory quarantine for recovered coronavirus patients, after some discharged patients again tested positive.
    From Saturday, all patients who had recovered and been discharged had to be sent to designated places for two weeks of quarantine and medical observation, the city’s coronavirus treatment and control command centre said on Weibo, China’s equivalent of Twitter.
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051966/coronavirus-wuhan-quarantine-all-cured-patients-14-days-after

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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:42 pm

    Mnogo loše vesti ovih par dana. Ima i ta da je inkubacija možda znatno duža od 14 dana.
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:01 pm

    Italija beleži eksponencijalan rast obolelih, danas duplo više nego juče. U Milanu zatvorene škole, prekinut karneval u Veneciji.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:22 pm

    A Salvini u opoziciji...


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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:37 pm

    Vrlo dobar thread. Glavni tejk je ovo:


    The massive efforts in China have bought us time. But we should be using that time to prepare and that includes preparing the world by communicating what is happening, what is likely to happen and what the response might look like. That is the “window of opportunity” we have now.

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    Post by boomer crook Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:39 pm

    nista ne pomaze protiv pandemije kao banda crnokosuljasa koja se unosi ljudima u lice


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    Post by rumbeando Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:25 pm

    Dnevni broj zaraženih van Kine i način prenosa iz poslednjeg izveštaja SZO (plavo je kruzer, narandžasto uvoz iz Kine, ljubičasto uvoz iz drugih država, zeleno domaći slučajevi prenosa):

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    Održivo širenje van Kine u praktično svim zemljama u kojima postoje slučajevi je već realnost.
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    “We are at a turning point”: The coronavirus outbreak is looking more like a pandemic
    Health experts say it’s time to prepare for worldwide spread on all continents.


    By Julia Belluz@juliaoftorontojulia.belluz@voxmedia.com  Feb 23, 2020, 11:20am EST




    During the last two months, as the Covid-19 coronavirus outbreak has spiraled into a global threat, countries around the world have scrambled to impose travel bans, quarantine millions, and isolate sick people in an attempt to stop the spread of the new virus.
    Yet, as of Sunday, there were 78,000 cases of Covid-19 in at least 29 countries, including surging case tolls in Italy, Iran, and South Korea, as well as an ongoing outbreak on a cruise ship off Japan.


    The likelihood that we’re hurtling into a pandemic — a new disease that spreads around the world — or that we’re already in one, seems higher than just a week ago.
    “Our window of opportunity [for containing the virus] is narrowing so we need to act quickly before it closes completely,” said World Health Organization Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, on Friday.


    Other public health experts think the window has already closed. They say worrisome, new developments suggest containing the virus — particularly in low-resource settings — may no longer be possible.


    “When several countries have widespread transmission, then spillover to other countries is inevitable,” said Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “One cannot shut out the rest of the world.”


    “I don’t think the answer is shutting down the world to stop this virus. It’s already out,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy.


    If halting the spread of the virus is increasingly out of reach, public health officials will have to accept that it’s everywhere — and move into a new phase of readying for a pandemic. (To be clear, a disease outbreak can become a pandemic without being especially severe or fatal.)


    “We are at a turning point in the Covid-19 epidemic,” said Lawrence Gostin, a global health law professor at Georgetown University. “We must prepare for the foreseeable possibility, even probability, that Covid-19 may soon become a pandemic affecting countries on virtually all continents.”


    A look at new outbreaks outside of China, and what they tell us about how this virus is spreading, helps explain why.


    As of February 23, there were more than 1,800 cases of Covid-19 outside of China in at least 29 countries. That’s an increase from around 500 cases just over a week ago.


    Many of these new cases are occurring in people who never traveled to China, or from an unknown source. The virus has also entered a few relatively contained environments — cruise ships and prisons — and spread like a wildfire, revealing its contagiousness and how difficult it is to stop. Let’s dive into the latest developments. 


    The Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan, which quarantined 3,600 passengers and crew after an 80-year-old man tested positive for the virus, now has 634 cases associated with an ongoing outbreak there. That’s the largest local outbreak outside of China. Japanese authorities ordered the quarantine in early February in an attempt to contain the virus — but the effort dramatically backfired.


    “They’ve basically trapped a bunch of people in a large container with [the] virus,” said University of Toronto epidemiology professor David Fisman, over email. Public health experts and researchers now believe the quarantine probably generated more cases — both because the virus appears to be highly contagious, and because proper quarantine protocols weren’t followed.


    By February 18, Japanese officials began letting passengers off the ship who tested negative for the virus — and within days, a case turned up among them, mirroring the situation on another cruise ship in Asia, the Westerdam. After one woman disembarked, she tested positive for the virus in Malaysia, setting off a global search for other passengers who may have been exposed.


    South Korea has now reported the most cases outside of China: 602 as of Sunday — up from only 30 on Monday. Many of them are linked to a secretive religious group, known as the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, in the city of Daegu.


    The country’s president, Moon Jae-in, has put South Korea on its highest level alert over the outbreak, giving cities the power to impose their own containment measures. “This will be a momentous time when the central government, local governments, health officials and medical personnel and the entire people must wage an all-out, concerted response to the problem,” he said, according to the New York Times.


    As of Sunday, Iran reported 28 cases, including 5 deaths — days after authorities there said they had no Covid-19 within their borders. Cases with links to Iran have already turned up in Canada and Lebanon.


    Very quickly, the country’s narrative about the virus has changed. Schools and universities across the country are being shuttered as a “preventive measure,” along with some cinemas and restaurants, according to Al Jazeera.


    But this outbreak might be much larger than it looks now, said Sylvie Briand, the director of infectious hazard management at the WHO, in a media briefing Friday. “We are wondering about the potential for more cases to be exported in the coming days. We want all countries to be aware of this and to put in place detailed measures to pick up these cases as early as possible.”


    Osterholm pointed out that the detection of five deaths likely means there are hundreds more cases, since the current estimated Covid-19 case fatality rate is only 2 percent.


    Italy is now home to the biggest Covid-19 outbreak outside of Asia: Some 132 people have confirmed infections including at least two deaths. The worrisome rise in cases in the country’s north has prompted authorities to impose severe measures to try and stop the virus. Sporting, religious, and cultural events are canceled, along with university classes. Authorities are also fining anyone who tries to enter or leave areas where the outbreak is occurring, including 11 towns in the Lombardy region.


    [size=18]The developments outside of China, along with the latest science on Covid-19, suggest we may soon see a rapid rise in infections — in China and around the world.[/size]

    [size=18][size=18]1) The virus is very contagious and some people seem to be able to infect others before they know they’re sick: 
    Researchers currently believe one infected person generally infects two to more than three others, which would make the new coronavirus more contagious than other coronaviruses, like SARS and MERS.

    “For a virus pretty closely related to SARS, it shows very effective person-to-person transmission, something nobody really expected,” Stephen Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, told Vox. Look at the cruise ship in Japan, the thousands of health care workers in China who are infected, and the situation in China’s prisons for more evidence of Covid-19’s potential for rapid spread.
    At the same time, the latest science suggests some people can transmit the virus very early in their illness or even before they are showing symptoms — which is again different from SARS and MERS, and suggests contagion more like the flu virus than SARS.[/size][/size]

    [size=18]SARS was eventually contained because, when people began to show symptoms, they were isolated — at a time when they were only just becoming contagious — and their contacts could be traced and isolated too, explained Minnesota’s Osterholm. But “trying to stop influenza-like transmission is like trying to stop the wind. It’s virtually impossible,” he told Vox.
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    [size=18]For these reasons, Osterholm said the fact that extraordinary measures to contain this virus haven’t worked doesn’t mean containment failed. “Containment never had a chance because of the influenza-virus-like transmission.”
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    [size=18][size=18]2) Countries are still mostly looking for the disease in people who’ve traveled from China: 
    The main method of screening in many countries is still testing passengers coming from China, or from Hubei province only. But as we’ve seen, spread is happening beyond those people. And other cases may be undetected.
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    [size=18]“We don’t really know if there is community transmission going on in other parts of the world because for the most part countries are not doing diagnostic testing on anyone but returning travelers or their close contacts,” Tom Inglesby, director of the Center for Health Security of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Vox.
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    [size=18]Though the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention maintains that the risk of spread in the US is low, it’s beginning to change its screening strategy to look for people with the virus who aren’t returning travelers from China. The CDC will use the [size=18]national flu surveillance tracking infrastructure
     to test patients who have flu symptoms for Covid-19 in five cities across the US.
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    [size=18][size=18]3) With flu season ongoing, it can take time to identify cases and outbreaks
    : “The challenge with this illness is that the clinical symptoms resemble other viral illnesses, like flu,” said Inglesby. So people with the flu, and doctors examining them, may not even be thinking of Covid-19 yet, especially in people who haven’t traveled to China.
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    [size=18][size=18]4) China may also see another surge in cases soon as travel restrictions are gradually lifted
    : The country has taken extraordinarily draconian measures to stop this virus, quarantining millions, and shutting down transit and travel. But the business community is growing increasingly frustrated with the restrictions, and is pressuring government officials to lift some of them.
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    [size=18]“[It’s] the most intense human social distancing effort in modern public health,” Osterholm said. “What happens when all these people start to go back to work, and public transport is back, and crowding occurs? This is at best a temporary respite in the numbers in China.”
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    [size=18][size=18]5) Many countries are only now getting testing up and running: 
    Even the US — with one of the most highly-resourced health systems in the world — doesn’t have adequate diagnostic capacity right now:


    And until last week, only two countries in Africa — Senegal and South Africa — had the lab capacity to screen for this virus.
    While other countries are now scaling up, this outbreak has been going on since late last year, and it’s possible cases have gone uncounted. So far, only one case has been detected in Africa — in Egypt — yet Africa is thought to be at particular risk given its economic ties to China, with more than a million Chinese workers.

    “If the disease spreads to fragile states it would be even harder to contain. Many states are undergoing political violence or are poorly governed, such as Syria, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Yemen, and Afghanistan,” said Gostin. “Others have weak health systems, for example in sub-Saharan Africa.”

    6) Some people may have abdominal pain before respiratory symptoms — and that’s not something health officials are screening for: This coronavirus is still very new, and we don’t know the entire spectrum of illness yet, but we’re learning the disease may sometimes surface in surprising ways. Though it’s a respiratory infection, a recent JAMA article found some have abdominal symptoms such as discomfort first. This means “we may not be detecting cases that do not present in the classic way with fever and respiratory symptoms,” said William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University.
    Models have repeatedly suggested there are thousands more cases than have been detected. (One of the latest, from Imperial College London, estimated that about “two thirds of Covid-19 cases exported from mainland China have remained undetected worldwide, potentially resulting in multiple chains of as yet undetected human-to-human transmission outside mainland China.”)

    Keep in mind: A disease can spread widely, and become a pandemic, without being particularly severe. And no one knows yet what the death rate of a Covid-19 pandemic would be — mostly because we don’t yet know precisely how lethal this disease is.
    On February 16, China’s CDC published a report of the first 72,314 patients with confirmed or suspected Covid-19 in mainland China. It’s the largest such analysis to date. And it found an overall case fatality rate of 2.3 — suggesting Covid-19 is less deadly than SARS, which killed around 10 percent of those infected. The death toll was also much higher among the elderly.

    As more and more mild or asymptomatic cases are found, the death rate is likely to drop. Still, Osterholm warned, even a 1 or 2 percent case fatality rate could equate to a lot of deaths if Covid-19 continues to spread around the world. “A 2 percent case fatality rate is 20 times higher than a bad flu year,” he said. (Seasonal flu has about a 0.1 percent case fatality rate.) “So now, you can infect many more people than the flu and add a case fatality that is as much as 20 times higher.”

    What’s more, a less severe pandemic still has the potential to overwhelm a country’s health system. The current data from China suggests as many as 5 to 10 percent of patients need care in an ICU, Osterholm said. Many countries may not have enough beds or equipment to care for them, not to mention such care could cost billions.

    Public health experts said countries need to move from trying to contain the virus to mitigating its harm — reducing the spread, and caring for the very sick. “It is beyond time,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, an infectious disease expert and senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. This means hospitals need to be ready with Covid-19 protocols, health care workers need to be protected with access to protective equipment such as face masks, and countries need plans for maintaining supply chains and carrying on with travel and trade.

    Recent outbreaks in Germany, France, and the UK suggest high-income countries with strong public health systems may be able to control the virus’ spread, at least for now. (In these places, after Covid-19 cases were detected, the counts didn’t rise appreciably.)
    But as the virus moves around the world and infections mount in more countries, sometimes without notice, even high-income countries are likely to struggle, Osterholm said. “I think we have to expect there are going to be many locations around the world that will experience what China is experiencing.”


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    Post by rumbeando Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:59 pm

    Da, tih par posto smrtnosti kod registrovanih slučajeva je pod uslovom da se ljudi kvalitetno zbrinjavaju i da sistem nije preopterećen.

    U Hubeju je smrtnost 3,7% i raste nekoliko poslednjih dana pošto je novih slučajeva sve manje, a ljudi umiru posle nekoliko nedelja lečenja i još puno ih je u kritičnom ili teškom stanju.

    Realno je dovoljno da se virus zapati u nekoliko zemalja sa katastrofalnim zdravstvom i da se naprave žarišta koja će buktati mesecima ili godinama.

    A i pitanje je koliko zemalja na svetu je u stanju da primeni tako drastične mere kao Kina i to tako efikasno uz trošenje gomile para, višenedeljno zaustavljanje privrede i mobilizaciju medicinara iz cele zemlje kako bi se problem koliko-toliko suzbio.

    Evo pogleda iz Kine urednika državnog Global Timesa na širenje po svetu:







    Realno ništa ne znači to što će žarište u Kini da se možda ugasi ako se, a to je već gotovo izvesno, otvori 5 novih.

    Uopšte nisam optimističan.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:02 pm

    Afrika me brine najvise od svega. Ako tamo bukne to ce biti katastrofa.

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