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    Post by Guest Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:39 pm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

    THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
    AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH


    By Craig Whitlock Dec. 9, 2019

    U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it, an exclusive Post investigation found.


    A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

    The documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest armed conflict in U.S. history. They include more than 2,000 pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials.

    The U.S. government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks. The Post won release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle.

    In the interviews, more than 400 insiders offered unrestrained criticism of what went wrong in Afghanistan and how the United States became mired in nearly two decades of warfare.

    With a bluntness rarely expressed in public, the interviews lay bare pent-up complaints, frustrations and confessions, along with second-guessing and backbiting.

    “We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan — we didn’t know what we were doing,Douglas Lute, a three-star Army general who served as the White House’s Afghan war czar during the Bush and Obama administrations, told government interviewers in 2015. He added: “What are we trying to do here? We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

    “If the American people knew the magnitude of this dysfunction . . . 2,400 lives lost,” Lute added, blaming the deaths of U.S. military personnel on bureaucratic breakdowns among Congress, the Pentagon and the State Department. “Who will say this was in vain?”

    ...
    “Every data point was altered to present the best picture possible,” Bob Crowley, an Army colonel who served as a senior counterinsurgency adviser to U.S. military commanders in 2013 and 2014, told government interviewers. “Surveys, for instance, were totally unreliable but reinforced that everything we were doing was right and we became a self-licking ice cream cone.”
    ...
    “Our policy was to create a strong central government which was idiotic because Afghanistan does not have a history of a strong central government,” an unidentified former State Department official told government interviewers in 2015. “The timeframe for creating a strong central government is 100 years, which we didn’t have.”
    ...
    “Our biggest single project, sadly and inadvertently, of course, may have been the development of mass corruption,” Crocker, who served as the top U.S. diplomat in Kabul in 2002 and again from 2011 to 2012, told government interviewers. He added, “Once it gets to the level I saw, when I was out there, it’s somewhere between unbelievably hard and outright impossible to fix it.”
    ...
    “We stated that our goal is to establish a ‘flourishing market economy,’ ” said Douglas Lute, the White House’s Afghan war czar from 2007 to 2013. “I thought we should have specified a flourishing drug trade — this is the only part of the market that’s working.”
    ...
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    Post by nalog sa ženinog laptopa Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:26 pm

    The blood of poor Americans is now a leading export, bigger than corn or soy


     America is one of the only developed countries in the world that pays people to donate blood, much of it sold abroad (70% of the world's plasma is of US origin), and as commercial blood donations have soared, blood now accounts for 2% of the country's exports -- more than corn or soya.


    There's more growth ahead for blood products, expected to "grow radiantly" according to an analyst who was cheering 13% growth between 2016-17.
    One study found that the typical blood-seller derives a third of their income from selling blood. Princeton's Kathryn Edin called the commercial blood industry "the lifeblood of the $2 a day poor."
    Mintpress's interviews with blood-sellers reveal "a mix of disabled, working poor, homeless, single parents, and college students," who describe a system of arbitrary and predatory payments, which fluxuate wildly from day to day.
    Chronic bloodletting produces lethargy and cognitive impairment.
    Respondents all agreed that they were indeed being exploited, but in more ways than one. Desperate Americans are allowed to donate twice per week (104 times per year). But losing that much plasma could have serious health consequences, most of which have not been studied Professor Schaefer warns, stressing that more research is necessary. Around 70 percent of donors experience health complications. Donors have a lower protein count in their blood, putting them at greater risk of infections and liver and kidney disorders. Many regulars suffer from near-permanent fatigue and are borderline anemic. All this for an average of $30 per visit. Rachel described the terrible Catch-22 many of the working poor find themselves in:
    I got turned away twice – once for being too dehydrated and once for being anemic. Being poor created a shitty paradox where I couldn’t eat, and because I couldn’t eat my iron levels weren’t high enough to allow me to donate. That was a week of a pay cut, money I desperately needed for rent and bills and meds.”


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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:35 pm

    Give me your tired, your poor...


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    Post by Sergen Yalçın Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:04 pm

    vukojebina


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    Post by nalog sa ženinog laptopa Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:47 am

    USA - США - SAD - Page 24 Scree123


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    speeds unheard of only a few years ago, to orbit earth, moon, and 
    sun. People have visited the moon, we have sent space probes to 
    all but one of the planets, and words like "orbit" and "satellite" are 
    picked up by children in the nursery.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:50 am

    vau

    tramp ce potpisati dekret kojim ce se judeizam proglasiti za nacionalnost. to je dojajno u smislu da se pravi prostor za antisemitizam 

    i tako ce jevreji postati americki siptari


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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:32 am

    Why the Media Is Ignoring the Afghanistan Papers


    This week, The Washington Post published the Afghanistan Papers, an extensive review of thousands of pages of internal government documents relating to the war in Afghanistan. Like the Pentagon Papers, which showcased the lies underpinning the Vietnam War, the Post’s investigation shows that U.S. officials, across three presidential administrations, intentionally and systematically misled the American public for 18 years and counting. As Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1974, told CNN earlier this week, the Pentagon and Afghanistan Papers revealed the same dynamic: “The presidents and the generals had a pretty realistic view of what they were up against, which they did not want to admit to the American people.”

    The documents are an indictment not only of one aspect of American foreign policy, but also of the U.S.’s entire policymaking apparatus. They reveal a bipartisan consensus to lie about what was actually happening in Afghanistan: chronic waste and chronic corruption, one ill-conceived development scheme after another, resulting in a near-unmitigated failure to bring peace and prosperity to the country. Both parties had reason to engage in the cover-up. For the Bush administration, Afghanistan was a key component in the war on terror. For the Obama administration, Afghanistan was the “good war” that stood in contrast to the nightmare in Iraq.

    The Afghanistan Papers are, in other words, a bombshell. Yet the report has received scant attention from the broader press. Neither NBC nor ABC covered the investigation in their nightly broadcasts this week. In other outlets, it has been buried beneath breathless reporting on the latest developments in the impeachment saga, Joe Biden’s purported pledge to serve only one term, and world leaders’ pathological envy of a 16-year-old girl.

    The relentless news cycle that characterizes Donald Trump’s America surely deserves some blame: This isn’t the first time that a consequential news story has been buried under an avalanche of other news stories. But one major reason that the Afghanistan Papers have received so comparatively little coverage is that everyone is to blame, which means no one has much of an interest in keeping the story alive. There are no hearings, few press gaggles.

    George W. Bush started the Afghanistan War and botched it in plenty of ways, not least by starting another war in Iraq. But Barack Obama, despite his obvious skepticism of the war effort, exacerbated Bush’s mistakes by bowing to the Washington foreign policy blob and authorizing a pointless troop surge. Now, although both Democrats and Donald Trump seem to be on the same page about getting the U.S. out of Afghanistan, there has been little progress with peace talks. The pattern across administrations is that any movement toward resolution is usually met with a slow slide back into the status quo, a.k.a. quagmire.

    The political press loves the idea of bipartisan cooperation, which plays into a notion of American greatness and its loss. It also thrives on partisan conflict, because conflict drives narrative. It doesn’t really know what to do with bipartisan failure.

    During the impeachment hearings, news outlets gleefully covered the conflict between Trump and members of the foreign policy establishment, holding up the latter as selfless bureaucrats working tirelessly and anonymously on behalf of the American interest, in contrast with the feckless and narcissistic head of the executive branch. The Afghanistan Papers don’t provide that kind of easy contrast; they demand a kind of holistic condemnation, in which Trump and those bureaucrats are part of the same problem.

    The media also has a long-standing bias toward “new” news. The Afghanistan War has been a catastrophic failure for nearly two decades. Because little changes, there is little to report that will excite audiences. (Though the Afghanistan Papers are startling, they are hardly surprising.) Given that the president is the greatest supplier of “new” news in recent history—his Twitter feed alone powers MSNBC most days—more complex stories, like the situation in Afghanistan, are often buried in favor of the political equivalent of sports sideline reporting.

    The result is that this massive controversy receives disproportionately little coverage. Despite wasting thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars, everyone in the U.S. government gets off scot-free. The very people who have kept us in Afghanistan since 2001 remain empowered, thanks to a combination of cynicism and apathy. And as a result, the Afghanistan Papers have ended up working in favor of Trump’s Republican Party, which exists to channel voters’ contempt of elite lawmakers and the institutions they represent.


    https://newrepublic.com/article/155977/media-ignoring-afghanistan-papers
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:38 am

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/14/bernie-sanders-uses-multimillion-dollar-yankees-pitcher-deal-to-push-teacher-raises/


    Lol, samo čitajte komentare.


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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:09 pm

    mislim da je ovo suština USA:

    "Why? What value do they give?"

    za bejzbol igrača nema sumnje da donosi vrednost, a koliko se karata proda zbog nastavnika?
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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:12 pm

    Bukvalno nisu u stanju da domisle jednu misao do kraja. Jezivo.


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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:15 pm

    Mr. Moonlight wrote:mislim da je ovo suština USA:

    "Why? What value do they give?"

    za bejzbol igrača nema sumnje da donosi vrednost, a koliko se karata proda zbog nastavnika?

    Pritom se zale da je obrazovanje lose, i TO im je razlog da se plate ne povecaju.


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    Post by Indy Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:25 pm

    William Murderface wrote:
    Mr. Moonlight wrote:mislim da je ovo suština USA:

    "Why? What value do they give?"

    za bejzbol igrača nema sumnje da donosi vrednost, a koliko se karata proda zbog nastavnika?

    Pritom se zale da je obrazovanje lose, i TO im je razlog da se plate ne povecaju.

    To je neoliberalizam 101. Defundira se - godinama i sistematski - javni sektor, onda on naravno ne funkcioniše kako treba, onda se lepo ima dokazni materijal da javni sektor ne funkcioniše. QED.
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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:26 pm

    jeftinije im je da im indijci i ostali izfinansiraju obrazovanje čoveka koji im je potreban za bilo šta, tako unose vrednost u sistem, zato i postoji ceo sistem zelene karte, kako bi probrali po nekom od kriterijuma

    ja čak verujem da lutrija postoji da bi probrali srećnije, a ne da im dolaze baksuzi

    edit lutkari, prsten, niven asocijacija
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:24 pm

    Freshman Rep. Jefferson Van Drew (D-N.J.), a vocal opponent of impeachment, plans to switch parties and join the GOP after meeting with President Trump on Friday, Democratic sources told The Hill. 

    Van Drew has begun informing his staff and fellow New Jersey lawmakers that he will leave the Democratic Party, according to two Democratic senior aides. His decision, first reported by The Washington Post, comes just a day after he had a lengthy meeting at the White House with Trump. 



    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/474587-anti-impeachment-democrat-poised-to-switch-parties-reports


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    Post by Filipenko Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:40 pm

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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:32 pm

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    Post by паће Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:45 am

    -- The federal government confiscated more property from citizens (through "civil asset forfeiture") in 2014 than burglars did, according to FBI figures publicized by the independent Institute for Justice (and that did not count state and local government seizures, which are not uniformly reported). None of the governments is bound by law to await convictions before exercising seizure rights. (Some of the seized assets must eventually be returned to private-party victims, but news reports abound of suddenly enriched police departments and other agencies being "gifted" with brand-new cars and other assets acquired from suspects never convicted of crimes.) [Washington Post, 11-23-2015]


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    Post by Indy Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:30 pm

    Zanimljivo da "Afghanistan Papers" jedva da imaju komentara, bez obzira o kojoj megasvinjariji se radi
    (Ne mislim na forum, već uopšte.)
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:32 pm

    Nisu "new news". Nema teorije da se mediji nakače na to, nezavisno od političke sklonosti uredništava.
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    Post by Filipenko Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:51 pm

    Jeste, sigurno je do nekog tehnickog ili profesionalnog razloga...
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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:32 pm

    Može li neko upućeniji da mi objasni šta će biti s Tramparom kad ga impičuju?


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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:15 pm

    Ništa. Sledi ili senatsko suđenje na kome će biti oslobođen optužbi, ili će, što je ideja GOP-a, optužba biti kompletno odbačena i neće biti senatskog suđenja kao takvog.
    Sada postoji ideja da se odloži slanje optužnice Senatu dok se Mič Mekonel ne privoli da odustane od ideje o odbacivanju celog predmeta.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:26 pm

    Onda zaista ne vidim poentu svega ovoga. Mislim, em mu skočio rejting, em su uvukli Bajdena.


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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:30 pm

    eh pa nisu oni monolitno telo. sve se vrti oko pojedinačnih izbornih jedinica. kada je kritična masa kongresmena procenila da će im odbijanje impičmenta više štetiti nego koristiti, legli su đuture na rudu.
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:38 pm

    Kako će, ako pobedi, drugi Trampov mandat izgledati, od najverovatnijih do najmanje verovatnih opcija:

    1. Predstavnički dom D, Senat R. Tramp je fokusiran na spoljnju politiku i trgovinu, ali nije lame duck i Kongres ne može da radi direktno protiv njega.

    2. Predstavnički dom D, Senat D. Tramp sedi kao krelac u Beloj kući, isključivo fokusiran na spoljnjopolitičke inicijative.

    3. Predstavnički dom R, Senat R. Tramp radi šta hoće, kao pacov od 300 kila.

    4. Predstavnički dom R, Senat D. Statistički nemoguće.

    Jasno je da demokrate sada imaju podsticaj za impičment. To ih stavlja u poziciju da ostanu u Predstavničkom domu, da udaraju na Senat, i da nastavljaju da kapitalizuju svoju poziciju. Iz njihovog ugla, nema nekog značaja to da li time podrivaju poziciju demokratskog predsedničkog kandidata: to je nivo nacije, a ne nivo konkretnog mesta u Kongresu.

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