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    Erős Pista

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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:04 pm

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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:53 pm

    Ko nije.


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    Post by Gargamel Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:23 pm

    Green New Deal je ispao kompletna besmislica. poseban biser je to što bi sve to valjalo platiti prostim štampanjem para. baš i deluje kao da su neki srednjoškolci seli i napisali šta bi sve želeli da dobiju od Deda Mraza.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/green-new-deal-isnt-a-plan-its-a-socialist-christmas-list
    The Green New Deal is all the rage in liberal politics, and on Thursday it's generating headlines as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY, and Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass. unveiled a resolution outlining the general aims of the project. But what everybody should be quite clear on is that the Green New Deal isn't a plan, or even much of an outline -- instead, it's the socialist equivalent of a Christmas list. It may as well have been written in crayon.
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    Post by beatakeshi Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:32 pm

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    Post by Gargamel Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:55 pm

    Nope. Novac u opticaju se kontroliše kroz centralnu banku podizanjem i spuštanjem kamatne stope. Ono što oni predlažu je MMT (Modern Monetary Theory), kojom se predlaže da se kamatna stopa centralne banke trajno spusti na nulu. Vlada naštampa sav novac koji je potreban, a eventualni problem hiperinflacije se predupredi time da se porezi povećaju u pravom trenutku. Blistava teorija koja predviđa da će odgovorna i sposobna vlada, u sadejstvu sa odgovornim i sposobnim Kongresom, u pravom trenutku podići poreze taman koliko treba.

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    Post by zvezda je zivot Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:27 pm

    nazalost, ovde mi ljudi od poverenja kazu da je Gargamel u pravu. bilo je nekih preventivnih kritika green new deala, na osnovu pisanija na AOCinom sajtu, a ispalo je jos gore. mmt all the way.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:46 pm

    Crni Zvezdo, pa de ćeš tamo, što nisi otišo u neku mirnu i stabilnu zemlju...
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    Post by ontheotherhand Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:03 pm

    Neolib klasika, kritika MMT da je mogic money tree.







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    Post by Gargamel Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:08 pm

    MMT se povremeno naziva neo-čartalizmom, a čartalizam je teorija koja se javila početkom 20-og veka. ima tu interesantnih stvari, valja čitati nama koji se interesujemo za ekonomiju. kejnzijansko shvatanje ekonomije i uloge vlade u ekonomiji je u određenoj meri zasnovano na čartalizmu. ali je MMT potpuno ludilo.

    sada videh da je, navodno, predlog koji je podnet Kongresu sasvim drugačiji od verzije koju je AOC predstavila javnosti.

    nije više ni bitno. kako god okreneš, ovo je potpuni PR debakl. ono što cirkuliše po netu su pisali ljudi koji u glavi nemaju ama baš ništa. jedino ako im je bio cilj da od Green New Deal naprave potpunu sprdnju i da republikancima serviraju volej, u tom slučaju su uspeli.
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    Post by Gargamel Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:27 pm

    ontheotherhand wrote:Neolib klasika, kritika MMT da je mogic money tree.
    hebi ga, mi neolibovi moramo svakodnevno da se bijemo sa činjenicama i realnošću. salonskim levičarima i desničarima prepuštamo duge i plodne diskusije o jednorozima.

    pri tome, postoje barem tri vrste neolibova. ja se u dobroj meri slažem sa trećima, socijal-liberalima poput citiranog Delonga. posebno jer su povremeno u pitanju socijal-demokrate koji se bave problemima o kojima se ne da samo teoretisati, već ih valja i rešavati. prvi i drugi neoliberali mi i nisu preterano dragi, posebno ovi prvi umeju da budu gadni.


    https://www.bradford-delong.com/2014/07/karl-polanyi-classical-liberalism-and-the-varieties-of-neoliberalism-virtual-office-hours-from-espresso-roma-ccxxvi-jul.html
    First, as I, at least, see it, there are three strands of thought that together make up the current of ideas and policies that people call "neoliberalism":

    1) The revived and restored classical liberals, via the Mont Pelerin society and so forth—-and they do indeed have an attachment to the gold standard. Mont Pelerin neoliberals tend to be social conservatives, and to at least play with endorsing fascist and authoritarian dictators like Mussolini and Pinochet.
    2) The Milton Friedman neoliberals—-who believe that the gold standard was a disaster and the government needed to guarantee full employment (and low inflation) via activist monetary policy. But, they go on, attempts by the government to do more than simply maintain full employment and price stability would inevitably come to grief. Milton Friedman neoliberals tend to be true libertarians, and want democracy constrained to preserve both social and economic liberties.
    3) The Washington Monthly neoliberals, who argued that 1945-1980 had demonstrated that central planning of all kinds had grave deficiencies, and the governments that wanted to achieve social democratic ends were more often than not better off doing so through market means and market incentives than with bureaucracy. Washington Monthly neoliberals are social liberals, and are democrats first and neoliberals second.

    To those of us so eat, breathe, sleep, and live this stuff every day, the differences between these three currents seem large. To others the differences may seem much smaller.
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    Post by ontheotherhand Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:17 pm

    Ma ko će vas sve pohvatati, osamsstopesto varijanti i podvarijanti ovoga i onoga, bdpa, hjuman divelopment indeksa, pravnih država, duing biznis lista a buđelar sve prazniji.

    hvala za link btw.
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    Post by Gargamel Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:15 pm

    ontheotherhand wrote:Ma ko će vas sve pohvatati, osamsstopesto varijanti i podvarijanti ovoga i onoga, bdpa, hjuman divelopment indeksa, pravnih država, duing biznis lista...
    pošteno. a future to believe in - Page 22 2932922325

    To those of us so eat, breathe, sleep, and live this stuff every day, the differences between these three currents seem large. To others the differences may seem much smaller.

    hvala za link btw.
    nema na čemu.
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    brt treba da dođe u kongres doseljenica iz Somalije da bi neko ovom vampiru rekao ko je i šta je.
    Erős Pista

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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:55 pm

    Kakvo zlo od čoveka.


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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:23 pm

    E, to je duh trenutka u dem establišmentu koji će i Bajdena izbaciti na vrh, a da li i do pobede, videćemo.


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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:33 pm

    dobro, nije Boot baš predstavnik dem. establišmenta, koliko god to izdaleka sleva moglo tako da izgleda a future to believe in - Page 22 1233199462
    ali brate mili "leading advocate of human rights"...
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:38 pm

    jel se i. omar dovoljno posula pepelom zbog "bendžamina/AIPAC-a" ili joj sleduje još ukora razrednih iz dnc-a?
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:42 pm

    gotovo je to. Nira Tanden ritvitovala Čelsi Klinton koja Tranpari kaže da se Omar izvinila i pokazala leadership tako da je to sad sve okej a future to believe in - Page 22 2304934895
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    Post by Gargamel Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:15 pm

    Gargantua wrote:jel se i. omar dovoljno posula pepelom zbog "bendžamina/AIPAC-a" ili joj sleduje još ukora razrednih iz dnc-a?
    zasluženi ukor. nadajmo se da je nešto naučila iz ovoga. videćemo, duboko je ukorenjena glupost o AIPAC-u koji kontroliše bliskoistočnu spoljnu politiku.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/280348/rep-ilhan-omar-deserves-dialogue
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    Post by паће Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:36 pm

    Gargamel wrote:
    Gargantua wrote:jel se i. omar dovoljno posula pepelom zbog "bendžamina/AIPAC-a" ili joj sleduje još ukora razrednih iz dnc-a?
    zasluženi ukor. nadajmo se da je nešto naučila iz ovoga. videćemo, duboko je ukorenjena glupost o AIPAC-u koji kontroliše bliskoistočnu spoljnu politiku.

    Од кандидата за прошле изборе, један једини није ишао код њих на тапет да се заклиње на верност: Берни.


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    Post by Gargamel Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:39 pm

    паће wrote:Од кандидата за прошле изборе, један једини није ишао код њих на тапет да се заклиње на верност: Берни.
    https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/257597/five-key-takeaways-from-gallups-annual-poll-finding-american-support-for-israel-at-record-high

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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:48 pm

    ovo je fenomenalno:

    Finally, as it does every year, this poll illustrates the reason why American foreign policy has long been pro-Israel: because Americans have long been pro-Israel. In other words, contrary to the fulminations of anti-Semites, there is no conspiracy or shadowy cabal setting the American agenda on Israel; there is simply democracy reflecting the will of the voters.
    US politika prema Izraelu je prost odraz volje birača, jel neko stvarno u to veruje? ima valjda nekog terena između toga i antisemitske konspirologije. mislim, odakle početi. da bi se ovako nešto tvrdilo treba potpuno da se zanemari informisanost tog biračkog tela a tu valjda nije sporno da su komercijalni mediji u Americi debelo pristrasni u korist Izraela. ili je i to odraz volje birača? a future to believe in - Page 22 3579118792
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    Post by beatakeshi Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:52 pm

    Teško je ne biti ciničan i ne spomenuti široko poznatu neinformisanost (nat)prosečnog Amerikanca o bilo kakvim činjenicama koje se tiču vanameričkog podneblja.

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