Francuska - predsednički izbori

Nagradno pitanje je ko će podržati MlP u drugom krugu.

ima još mnogo vremena do izbora

buffalo bill wrote:Nagradno pitanje je ko će podržati MlP u drugom krugu.

Verovatno niko, kao i obično.

Talason wrote:ima još mnogo vremena do izbora

Ima ali nešto mi govori da je Makron završio.

ćaća wrote:

Talason wrote:ima još mnogo vremena do izbora

Ima ali nešto mi govori da je Makron završio.

na to sam i mislio, u narednom periodu može samo da izgubi podršku

ćaća wrote:

Talason wrote:ima još mnogo vremena do izbora

Ima ali nešto mi govori da je Makron završio.

Mislis da ce Le Pen dobiti izbore?

Ćaća i ja sam razmišljao o ovome kao i Leteći Polip. Imaš nešto da dodaš na tu temu ili potvrdiš Polipovu tezu? Nikad nisam čuo za neku zapad istok podelu u Francuskoj.

Mór Thököly wrote:

ćaća wrote:

Ima ali nešto mi govori da je Makron završio.

Mislis da ce Le Pen dobiti izbore?

Ne, nego neko treći. Ne znam još ko.

Aha

Pa nije ovo neka novost, prsten oko Pariza (bogatija predgrađa), postindustrijski istok i severoistok i bogata Provansa i Azurna obala (gde ima puno bogatih penzionera i Pieds-noirs) su baza za Rassemblement National.

Mór Thököly wrote:Aha

Hoću reći da ozbiljan kandidat i levice i desnice može da upadne u drugi krug. Razni patrljci na levici će verovatno koalirati sa zelenima, možda čak i PS. A ako LR bude imao dobrog kandidata, pola Makronovih glasača bi glasalo za istog, to im je ionako prirodno stanište. Mislim da će im kandidat biti Edouard Philippe.

Da da, hvala

An incredible debate where Darmanin, Macron's Minister of the Interior tells Marine Le Pen she is to "soft" on Islam. Le Pen, quite stunned, then defends french citizens right to religious freedom. Against the government... pic.twitter.com/ZZsulO9eAK

— Daniel Zamora Vargas (@DanielZamoraV) February 12, 2021

Bokte jebo.

U komentarima kažu da joj nije rekao to nego da je meka prema islamu u odnosu na ostatak svoje stranke

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/world/europe/france-universities-culture-wars.html#click=https://t.co/QmhHh75OWM

PARIS — Stepping up its attacks on social science theories that it says threaten France, the French government announced this week that it would launch an investigation into academic research that it says feeds “Islamo-leftist’’ tendencies that “corrupt society.’’

News of the investigation immediately caused a fierce backlash among university presidents and scholars, deepening fears of a crackdown on academic freedom — especially on studies of race, gender, post-colonial studies and other fields that the French government says have been imported from American universities and contribute to undermining French society.

While President Emmanuel Macron and some of his top ministers have spoken out forcefully against what they see as a destabilizing influence from American campuses in recent months, the announcement marked the first time that the government has moved to take action.

It came as France’s lower house of Parliament passed a draft law against Islamism, an ideology it views as encouraging terrorist attacks, and as Mr. Macron tilts further to the right, anticipating nationalist challenges ahead of elections next year.

Frédérique Vidal, the minister of higher education, said in Parliament on Tuesday that the state-run National Center for Scientific Research would oversee an investigation into the “totality of research underway in our country,’’ singling out post-colonialism.

In an earlier television interview, Ms. Vidal said the investigation would focus on “Islamo-leftism’’ — a controversial term embraced by some of Mr. Macron’s leading ministers to accuse left-leaning intellectuals of justifying Islamism and even terrorism.

“Islamo-leftism corrupts all of society and universities are not impervious,’’ Ms. Vidal said, adding that some scholars were advancing “radical” and “activist” ideas. Referring also to scholars of race and gender, Ms. Vidal accused them of “always looking at everything through the prism of their will to divide, to fracture, to pinpoint the enemy.’’
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In unusually blunt language, the academic world rejected the government’s accusations. The Conference of University Presidents on Tuesday dismissed “Islamo-leftism’’ as a “pseudo notion” popularized by the far right, chiding the government’s discourse as “talking rubbish.’’

The National Center for Scientific Research, the state organization that the minister ordered to oversee the investigation, suggested on Wednesday that it would comply, but it said it “firmly condemned” attacks on academic freedom.
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In recent months, Mr. Macron has moved further to the right as part of a strategy to draw support from his likely main challenger in next year’s presidential election, Marine Le Pen, the far-right leader. Polls show that Mr. Macron’s edge has shrunk over Ms. Le Pen, who was his main rival in the last election.

Chloé Morin, a public opinion expert at the Fondation Jean-Jaurès, a Paris-based research group, said that Mr. Macron’s political base has completely shifted to the right and that his minister’s use of the expression Islamo-leftism “speaks to the right-wing electorate.”

“It has perhaps become one of the most effective terms for discrediting an opponent,” Ms. Morin said.

Last fall, Mr. Macron’s ministers adopted a favorite expression of the far right, “ensauvagement,’’ or “turning savage,’’ to decry supposedly out-of-control crime — even though the government’s own statistics showed that crime was actually flat or declining.
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Orbanizam.

lol budalčina

nije orbanizam, on nema ni organizaciju ni konstantnu ideologiju, već više ne zna gde udara a primiču se izbori. koje će da izgubi.

čuj boriće se protiv nekakvog islamolevičarenja, ne mogu da vakcinišu tri babe ni da izdaju vozačku dozvolu za godinu dana.

Dobro, glede organizacije, vise zokizam nego orbanizam

Ali valjda je jasno u kom smislu orbanizam. Orbanovske doskocice su postale deo alata za svakog ocvalog centristu koji hoce na brzinu da iskomunicira svij desnicarski cred.

nije Francuska ni jedno ni drugo. morao bih bas detaljno, ali imam posla a iskreno i ne da mi se bas.

ali jeste u velikoj krizi i pitanje je kako ce se zavrsiti.