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ja sutra idem u nabavku na kulenijadu. sutra, danas, kako kome.
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Da ne tražim temu o Nemačkoj - prvi put u posleratnoj istoriji neka partija koja nije CDU/SPD prva u anketama
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Zanimljiv je ovaj pad ekstremne desnice, gde idu ti glasači? Dobro, nije veliki, ali očekivao bih da dobiju bar deo od CDUovog odliva.
Za ostale je jasno - Zeleni su orobili kako centar (CDU, SPD), tako i levicu.
Za ostale je jasno - Zeleni su orobili kako centar (CDU, SPD), tako i levicu.
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Ustvari, sad razmišljam, moguće je da CDUov očekivani zaokret udesno odbija umerenije birače koji su ranije glsali za Merkel, a sad se okreću Zelenima. Desničarima je zaokret okej, pa zato i ne idu ka AfD, nego sede disu.
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+1 Sve ima smisla što si rekao.
Kod njih je malo sramota glasati za AfD, kao kod nas kad glasaš za Mišu Vacića ili slično. Zato glasaju za CDU, provereni državnici.
Zeleni me najviše podsećaju na Demokratsku partiju u Americi - partija sitne i dobro situirane buržoazije i srednje klase koja naginje levici ali pravo mesto im je u centru. Već su etablirani u politici i imaju državničko iskustvo iza sebe, kolaps levog centra (SPDa) im ide na ruku. Levica i ekstremna levica u Nemačkoj ne miriše Zelene uopšte, smatraju ih otuđenom buržujskom partijom koja nema dodir sa narodnim masama.
Kod njih je malo sramota glasati za AfD, kao kod nas kad glasaš za Mišu Vacića ili slično. Zato glasaju za CDU, provereni državnici.
Zeleni me najviše podsećaju na Demokratsku partiju u Americi - partija sitne i dobro situirane buržoazije i srednje klase koja naginje levici ali pravo mesto im je u centru. Već su etablirani u politici i imaju državničko iskustvo iza sebe, kolaps levog centra (SPDa) im ide na ruku. Levica i ekstremna levica u Nemačkoj ne miriše Zelene uopšte, smatraju ih otuđenom buržujskom partijom koja nema dodir sa narodnim masama.
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sve je relativno
RIP dizel power
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Problem za CDU je sto vrh stranke i nova sefica traze da se Merkelova povuce kako bi se profilisali do novih izbora a Merkelova to nece.
Inace je tacno da je nova sefica, barem na recima, konzervativnija.
Zeleni ne mogu biti spas jer su oni status kvo a trebaju reforme.
Oni kanibalisu levicu bez jasnog stava po pitanju radnickih prava itd.
Zato radnici odlaze ka desnim populistima. Doduse, afd u Nemackoj je ekonomski vise djb u Srbiji, mozda su se sada nesto pomoreili levo ali oni su osnovani kao libertarijanci...
Zato Le Pen u Francuskoj rastura sa podrskom medju radnicima, mislim da je slicno sa Legom u Italiji.
To je razlog zasto afd jos nije u ENF...
Inace je tacno da je nova sefica, barem na recima, konzervativnija.
Zeleni ne mogu biti spas jer su oni status kvo a trebaju reforme.
Oni kanibalisu levicu bez jasnog stava po pitanju radnickih prava itd.
Zato radnici odlaze ka desnim populistima. Doduse, afd u Nemackoj je ekonomski vise djb u Srbiji, mozda su se sada nesto pomoreili levo ali oni su osnovani kao libertarijanci...
Zato Le Pen u Francuskoj rastura sa podrskom medju radnicima, mislim da je slicno sa Legom u Italiji.
To je razlog zasto afd jos nije u ENF...
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The setbacks for centrist parties in the European elections showed that the EU’s crisis is anything but over. Yet the Left’s lack of strategy and identity has hobbled its ability to provide an alternative.
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These are, then, times of rapidly shifting political allegiances. But when should the Left expect to make electoral progress among European workers and reformist sections of the middle class, if not now? There is an urgent need to explain the Left’s disastrous failure to do this. Four reasons come to mind — certainly, there are more.
Strategy
The first and most basic reason is the seemingly total absence of a realistic anti-capitalist, or at least anti-neoliberal, left-wing political strategy related to the European Union. There is not even a debate on the crucial issue of whether the EU can at all be a vehicle for anti-capitalist politics. Instead, there is a naïve or opportunistic acceptance — and it’s hard to say which is worse — of the feel-good “Europeanism” so popular among young people and so useful for both Green electioneering and European technocrats seeking legitimacy for their neoliberal regime.
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In particular, any critical discussion of the EU’s central social policy — the free movement of labor between the now economically extremely different member countries — is strictly avoided, combined with hints of sympathy for open borders generally, including those with the outside world. This does nothing but validate the image spread by the Greens and the center-left middle-class parties of Europe being mainly about young people traveling without border controls and not needing to change money.
Europeanism
Second, in most if not all countries, the Left found it irresistible to join the old and new center parties — Christian Democrats, Social Democrats, the Greens — in declaring the new nationalist right an imminent threat to democracy, which made voting “for Europe,” or even for “more Europe” the necessary defensive position. In fact, often enough, the Left raised the stakes by suggesting that the new right was in fact a very old right, and not voting for it was a contemporary version of the anti-fascist struggle of the interwar years.
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Exaggerating the threat from the new right was certain to drive voters into the arms of liberal establishment parties who promised “stability” in hard times. If fascism was something to be defeated by voting for “more Europe,” there was no need to go as far as vote for the radical left; voting for the new darlings of the middle class would suffice. If democracy means parliaments without neo-nationalist “populists,” voting every five years for a “non-populist” party will do.
Climate
Third, the radical left had no idea how to handle the issue of climate change, whose prominence in recent months again played into the hands of the Greens. In this, the Left did not differ at all from the established center parties. It is easy to understand why it stumbled on this question.
Calls for higher taxes on gasoline or less consumption of cheap meat, or meat in general, are easier to live with, and sometimes to heed, for the middle class than for the lower and working class. Appeals to individual virtue may awaken the bad conscience of the environmentally woke but fail to reach those who feel a need to catch up in consumption with their betters.
Rather than chiming in when the Greens and their bourgeois elders sing their siren songs, what should matter from the Left’s point of view is that voluntary changes in lifestyles are vastly inadequate to stopping global warming or the long ongoing decline of biodiversity.
A Left that limits itself to reciting the Greens’ scare stories about an impending end to life on the planet drives many of its potential voters into denial, and from there into the arms of the New Right.
Faux Federalism
Fourth and finally, although the writing had long been on the wall, the Left has badly underestimated what early socialists called the “national question” and its importance for its core constituency.
For working people, “Europe” is a far-away technocracy, a world outside of their life experience. This is not much different from the middle class. The latter, however, has learned, and prefers, to pretend that it knows who is doing what in Brussels, which in fact nobody outside of a narrow circle of specialists really does know.
The Left, like the Greens, tend to relegate political issues to a European level of democratic politics that doesn’t exist outside parties’ imagination and indeed won’t exist for any foreseeable future. “Europe,” and the European Parliament in particular, is a depository of pious hopes. This will, however, last only until it is finally discovered that the Europeanists have overplayed their hand and, busy with trying to re-educate their voters in the cosmopolitan spirit, forgotten the political toolkit that was waiting for them at the national level. Consider the German case, where the Die Linke majority forced Aufstehen leader Sahra Wagenknecht to resign from her post as parliamentary speaker.
A radical left in its right mind could contribute importantly to “Europe.” It would, however, have to take leave of the superficial “pro-Europeanism” of the old and new center parties. It would have to insist that “European solutions” cannot replace national-level action, if only because they tend to be unavailable or will come too late. It would also have to defend really existing democracy, i.e., nation-state democracy, against its “cosmopolitan” replacement with castle-in-the-sky supranational democracy.
This would mean pointing out that democracy begins at the bottom. That reconciliation with nature and among people does not fall from the sky of “Europe” and is not to be had for nothing. Shortly after their election, the members of the European Parliament will have become 751 like-minded lobbyists for supranational technocracy, dressed up as democratic representatives of a European people that does not yet exist. Social change for the better will not come from above, from them.
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/05/european-parliament-elections-results-left
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KinderLad wrote:Zeleni su spas u zadnji čas
Poserem se na sve koji gotive zelene bilo gde u svetu.
Western Balkans policy
In 1999, Fischer supported German military participation in the Kosovo War. This proved to be a highly controversial position since Fischer's plan not only clashed with the largely pacifist philosophy of The Greens, but because it also supported for the first time since World War II active participation of German soldiers in combat. Fischer justified this military involvement with allegations that Serbia was planning to commit genocide against the Kosovo Albanians.
Fischer represented the German government at the funeral services for Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić of Serbia on 16 March 2003 (alongside Development Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul)[18] and President Boris Trajkovski of Macedonia on 5 March 2004 in Skopje.
In mid-April 1999, Germany came up with the first peace plan, when Fischer produced a proposal, notably including Russia, that would have rewarded the beginning of a Yugoslav pullout from Kosovo with a bombing pause.[9] In May 1999, however, an antiwar protester flung a bag of red paint at Fischer during a party convention debating NATO’s airstrikes on Yugoslavia in the war over Kosovo; Fischer suffered a perforated eardrum.
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BTW Zeleni rastu i u Srbiji, naročito otkad su promenili ime u Stranka Slobode i Pravde.
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Bump
https://twitter.com/DPC_global/status/1136637698851127297
Democratization Policy Council
@DPC_global
It’s confirmed: EU decision on #Albania, #northmacedonia kicked down the road to September summit, in violation of 6/18 Council compromise, due to @cducsubt blockade, result of perfect Paris-Berlin mess
1. @EU_Commission gave in to Macron pressure, moved agreed April publication date of country reports to end of May, until after @Europarl_EN elections 2/8
2. In Berlin, Bundestag @cducsubt , hostile to Albania, declared not having enough time to review reports for this week’s parliamentary session, last session before June 20-21 EU summit
3. @spdbt , suorted by @DieGruenen and FPD, insisted on 6/19 unconditional opening of accession negotiations with both countries, left no space for compromise, i.e., decoupling of #northmacedonia and #Albania as demanded by Skopje, thus
* Neither #northmacedonia nor #Albania will get decision this month as promised 6/18 by EU leaders, again weakening the EU’ reform conditionality
* #northmacedonia decision risks being blocked in September by next Nia Demokratia-led Greek government following snap elections in July – dealing a death blow to Prespa agreement, democratization in Mk & the credibility of enlargement, thus
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Još natezanja sa Severnomakedoncima i Grcima, nema proširenja za Albaniju i Makedoniju...
Makron blokira proširenje, ovi mu popuštaju zbog Brexita oko tog pitanja?
Makron blokira proširenje, ovi mu popuštaju zbog Brexita oko tog pitanja?
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Gargantua wrote:...
The setbacks for centrist parties in the European elections showed that the EU’s crisis is anything but over. Yet the Left’s lack of strategy and identity has hobbled its ability to provide an alternative.
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These are, then, times of rapidly shifting political allegiances. But when should the Left expect to make electoral progress among European workers and reformist sections of the middle class, if not now? There is an urgent need to explain the Left’s disastrous failure to do this. Four reasons come to mind — certainly, there are more.
Strategy
The first and most basic reason is the seemingly total absence of a realistic anti-capitalist, or at least anti-neoliberal, left-wing political strategy related to the European Union. There is not even a debate on the crucial issue of whether the EU can at all be a vehicle for anti-capitalist politics. Instead, there is a naïve or opportunistic acceptance — and it’s hard to say which is worse — of the feel-good “Europeanism” so popular among young people and so useful for both Green electioneering and European technocrats seeking legitimacy for their neoliberal regime.
...
In particular, any critical discussion of the EU’s central social policy — the free movement of labor between the now economically extremely different member countries — is strictly avoided, combined with hints of sympathy for open borders generally, including those with the outside world. This does nothing but validate the image spread by the Greens and the center-left middle-class parties of Europe being mainly about young people traveling without border controls and not needing to change money.
Europeanism
Second, in most if not all countries, the Left found it irresistible to join the old and new center parties — Christian Democrats, Social Democrats, the Greens — in declaring the new nationalist right an imminent threat to democracy, which made voting “for Europe,” or even for “more Europe” the necessary defensive position. In fact, often enough, the Left raised the stakes by suggesting that the new right was in fact a very old right, and not voting for it was a contemporary version of the anti-fascist struggle of the interwar years.
...
Exaggerating the threat from the new right was certain to drive voters into the arms of liberal establishment parties who promised “stability” in hard times. If fascism was something to be defeated by voting for “more Europe,” there was no need to go as far as vote for the radical left; voting for the new darlings of the middle class would suffice. If democracy means parliaments without neo-nationalist “populists,” voting every five years for a “non-populist” party will do.
Climate
Third, the radical left had no idea how to handle the issue of climate change, whose prominence in recent months again played into the hands of the Greens. In this, the Left did not differ at all from the established center parties. It is easy to understand why it stumbled on this question.
Calls for higher taxes on gasoline or less consumption of cheap meat, or meat in general, are easier to live with, and sometimes to heed, for the middle class than for the lower and working class. Appeals to individual virtue may awaken the bad conscience of the environmentally woke but fail to reach those who feel a need to catch up in consumption with their betters.
Rather than chiming in when the Greens and their bourgeois elders sing their siren songs, what should matter from the Left’s point of view is that voluntary changes in lifestyles are vastly inadequate to stopping global warming or the long ongoing decline of biodiversity.
A Left that limits itself to reciting the Greens’ scare stories about an impending end to life on the planet drives many of its potential voters into denial, and from there into the arms of the New Right.
Faux Federalism
Fourth and finally, although the writing had long been on the wall, the Left has badly underestimated what early socialists called the “national question” and its importance for its core constituency.
For working people, “Europe” is a far-away technocracy, a world outside of their life experience. This is not much different from the middle class. The latter, however, has learned, and prefers, to pretend that it knows who is doing what in Brussels, which in fact nobody outside of a narrow circle of specialists really does know.
The Left, like the Greens, tend to relegate political issues to a European level of democratic politics that doesn’t exist outside parties’ imagination and indeed won’t exist for any foreseeable future. “Europe,” and the European Parliament in particular, is a depository of pious hopes. This will, however, last only until it is finally discovered that the Europeanists have overplayed their hand and, busy with trying to re-educate their voters in the cosmopolitan spirit, forgotten the political toolkit that was waiting for them at the national level. Consider the German case, where the Die Linke majority forced Aufstehen leader Sahra Wagenknecht to resign from her post as parliamentary speaker.
A radical left in its right mind could contribute importantly to “Europe.” It would, however, have to take leave of the superficial “pro-Europeanism” of the old and new center parties. It would have to insist that “European solutions” cannot replace national-level action, if only because they tend to be unavailable or will come too late. It would also have to defend really existing democracy, i.e., nation-state democracy, against its “cosmopolitan” replacement with castle-in-the-sky supranational democracy.
This would mean pointing out that democracy begins at the bottom. That reconciliation with nature and among people does not fall from the sky of “Europe” and is not to be had for nothing. Shortly after their election, the members of the European Parliament will have become 751 like-minded lobbyists for supranational technocracy, dressed up as democratic representatives of a European people that does not yet exist. Social change for the better will not come from above, from them.
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/05/european-parliament-elections-results-left
Ne svidja mi se tekst. Prvo:
busy with trying to re-educate their voters in the cosmopolitan spirit
...It would also have to defend really existing democracy, i.e., nation-state democracy, against its “cosmopolitan” replacement with castle-in-the-sky supranational democracy.
Uopste nije pitanje national vs "cosmopolitan", nego national vs european. To su dve razlicite stvari.
Drugo:
This would mean pointing out that democracy begins at the bottom.
Apsolutno. Jedino sto taj "bottom" nigde ne pise da treba/valja/mora biti "nacionalan". Ima itekako nivoa ispod nacionalnog.
I trece, poserem se ja na tu levicu koja ima principijelni problem sa "kosmopolitskim"
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KinderLad wrote:
Uopste nije pitanje national vs "cosmopolitan", nego national vs european. To su dve razlicite stvari.
Pa ne bih se složio. Da imamo evropejstvo, imali bi i neku zajedničku etničku odrednicu - a la Jugoslovenstvo, i neke granice. Međutim nemamo ništa od toga.
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Problem postoji, ali Strekov odgovor mi se cini jednostranim. S jedne strane EU okvir jeste sputavajuci za levicu zbog specificnosti strukture EU. S druge strane, nacionalni okvir je previse ogranicen i zapravo nedovoljan. It's a conundrum.
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Летећи Полип wrote:KinderLad wrote:
Uopste nije pitanje national vs "cosmopolitan", nego national vs european. To su dve razlicite stvari.
Pa ne bih se složio. Da imamo evropejstvo, imali bi i neku zajedničku etničku odrednicu - a la Jugoslovenstvo, i neke granice. Međutim nemamo ništa od toga.
Pa ok, ali on se bori sa tek nepostojecim. Evropa, bilo kao EU, bilo kao kontinent, bilo kao civilizacija, ima neke granice, diskutabilne ili ne, ali postoje. Tamo gde dolazi do sukoba pro et contra EU, pristalice EU jasno masu simbolima postojece politicke organizacije. Problem postoji - on se pre svega tice odgovora na Orbana (posto je on "najsavremeniji" na desnici u tom smislu), ali ne postoji borba sa "kosmopolitizmom". To mozda moze za Ameriku, Evropa se zna sta je. A ne mozes da imas zajednicku "etnicku" odrednicu za nesto sto nije "etnija". Ali mozes zajednicku politicku, pa u tom smislu "ur-nacionalnu". Mislim, EU mozda ima alternativu, ali Evropa apsolutno nema alternativu.
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William Murderface wrote:Problem postoji, ali Strekov odgovor mi se cini jednostranim. S jedne strane EU okvir jeste sputavajuci za levicu zbog specificnosti strukture EU. S druge strane, nacionalni okvir je previse ogranicen i zapravo nedovoljan. It's a conundrum.
Ma ne samo to, nego je retrogradan. Kao sto rekoh, cak ni Orbanova prica nije prosto i samo "nacionalna".
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Pa upravo zato.
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KinderLad wrote:
Pa ok, ali on se bori sa tek nepostojecim. Evropa, bilo kao EU, bilo kao kontinent, bilo kao civilizacija, ima neke granice, diskutabilne ili ne, ali postoje. Tamo gde dolazi do sukoba pro et contra EU, pristalice EU jasno masu simbolima postojece politicke organizacije. Problem postoji - on se pre svega tice odgovora na Orbana (posto je on "najsavremeniji" na desnici u tom smislu), ali ne postoji borba sa "kosmopolitizmom". To mozda moze za Ameriku, Evropa se zna sta je. A ne mozes da imas zajednicku "etnicku" odrednicu za nesto sto nije "etnija". Ali mozes zajednicku politicku, pa u tom smislu "ur-nacionalnu". Mislim, EU mozda ima alternativu, ali Evropa apsolutno nema alternativu.
Dobro, ali opet mora na nečemu ta Evropa da se definiše. Da znamo šta je Evropa, jer ja iskreno ne znam šta je. Jel Rusija Evropa, jel Turska Evropa? Jesu li mase migranata iz Azije, koji žive u svojim kulturnim mikrokosmosima evropljani? A i ta politička odrenica. Šta je to što politički povezuje jednu Bugarsku, jednu Češku i jednu Švedsku?
Mislim, mora nešto da nas poveže. Da nas odmah razdvoji od Drugih.
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Летећи Полип wrote:KinderLad wrote:
Pa ok, ali on se bori sa tek nepostojecim. Evropa, bilo kao EU, bilo kao kontinent, bilo kao civilizacija, ima neke granice, diskutabilne ili ne, ali postoje. Tamo gde dolazi do sukoba pro et contra EU, pristalice EU jasno masu simbolima postojece politicke organizacije. Problem postoji - on se pre svega tice odgovora na Orbana (posto je on "najsavremeniji" na desnici u tom smislu), ali ne postoji borba sa "kosmopolitizmom". To mozda moze za Ameriku, Evropa se zna sta je. A ne mozes da imas zajednicku "etnicku" odrednicu za nesto sto nije "etnija". Ali mozes zajednicku politicku, pa u tom smislu "ur-nacionalnu". Mislim, EU mozda ima alternativu, ali Evropa apsolutno nema alternativu.
Dobro, ali opet mora na nečemu ta Evropa da se definiše. Da znamo šta je Evropa, jer ja iskreno ne znam šta je. Jel Rusija Evropa, jel Turska Evropa? Jesu li mase migranata iz Azije, koji žive u svojim kulturnim mikrokosmosima evropljani? A i ta politička odrenica. Šta je to što politički povezuje jednu Bugarsku, jednu Češku i jednu Švedsku?
Mislim, mora nešto da nas poveže. Da nas odmah razdvoji od Drugih.
Turska danas definitivno nije. To ne kazem ja, nego je ogromna vecina Evropljana ne vidi kao evropsku. Rusija je otvoreno pitanje, danas nije, ali mislim da u globalu, u (debelo) promenjenim okolnostima bi mogla da bude, mnogo pre Turske u svakom slucaju. E pa to je to - sta nas definise. Orban kaze - hriscanstvo. E levica mora da ima odgovor na to. Svedsku Bugarsku i Cesku povezuje clanstvo u EU, Sengen, i slicno. Bez EU - e onda je to pitanje (i sansa za Orbane ovog
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- Post n°748
Re: EU - what's next?
Jel Rusija Evropa, jel Turska Evropa?
Ne, ne
Jesu li mase migranata iz Azije, koji žive u svojim kulturnim mikrokosmosima evropljani?
da
A i ta politička odrenica. Šta je to što politički povezuje jednu Bugarsku, jednu Češku i jednu Švedsku?
Po školskim predmetima: geografija, ekonomija, istorija, sociologija, pravo.
A ovo za ljevicu i "kosmopolitizam" (otkad nisam čuo tu riječ u kontextu politike) je KL naravno u pravu. Kad ljevica u sukobu nacionalista protiv globalizma zaigra na nacionalističku kartu postaje Milošević, Filipenko, oni nacional-boljševici s crnim srpom i čekićem umjesto svastike na naci zastavi.
Ne, ne
Jesu li mase migranata iz Azije, koji žive u svojim kulturnim mikrokosmosima evropljani?
da
A i ta politička odrenica. Šta je to što politički povezuje jednu Bugarsku, jednu Češku i jednu Švedsku?
Po školskim predmetima: geografija, ekonomija, istorija, sociologija, pravo.
A ovo za ljevicu i "kosmopolitizam" (otkad nisam čuo tu riječ u kontextu politike) je KL naravno u pravu. Kad ljevica u sukobu nacionalista protiv globalizma zaigra na nacionalističku kartu postaje Milošević, Filipenko, oni nacional-boljševici s crnim srpom i čekićem umjesto svastike na naci zastavi.
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- Post n°749
Re: EU - what's next?
Ama sto je najgore - gubi. It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake.
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- Post n°750
Re: EU - what's next?
William Murderface wrote:Ama sto je najgore - gubi. It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake.
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