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Polish official accuses Jews of ‘passivity’ in Holocaust

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — An adviser to Poland’s president has said he thinks Israel’s negative reaction to a law criminalizing some statements about Poland’s actions during World War II stemmed from a “feeling of shame at the passivity of the Jews during the Holocaust.”

Andrzej Zybertowicz, a Nicolaus Copernicus University sociology professor who also serves as a presidential adviser, said in an interview Friday that Israel’s opposition to the new Polish law is “anti-Polish” and shows the Mideast country “clearly fighting to keep the monopoly on the Holocaust.”

“Many Jews engaged in denunciation, collaboration during the war. I think Israel has still not worked it through,” Zybertowicz said in the interview published in the Polska-The Times newspaper.

Zybertowicz could not immediately be reached for comment. Polish public officials typically have the chance to review their statements before media outlets publish them. Zybertowicz tweeted a link to the article Friday.

His remarks follow open expressions of anti-Semitism that surfaced online and in some government-controlled media when Israeli officials objected to the bill form of the law, which outlaws public statements that falsely and intentionally attribute Nazi crimes to German-occupied Poland. Amid the crisis there has been a wave of accusation against Jews in Poland, even from state officials.

Jews have sometimes been described, often for the purpose of assigning blame or inflicting humiliation, as having acted passively in the face of the Holocaust. Key acts of resistance contradict the trope, most notably the Warsaw Uprising of 1943. Smaller revolts took place in death camps, including Sobibor and Treblinka, where starving prisoners without weapons faced heavily armed German guards.

In Israel, home to Holocaust scholars and families of survivors with roots in Poland, some fear Poland’s law will allow the government to whitewash the role some individual Poles had in the deaths of the occupied country’s Jews during World War II. The law allows for prison terms of up to three years.

Polish President Andrzej Duda and other government officials said it was needed because Poles are unfairly depicted sometimes as collaborators in the German genocide of Jews. They cite the expression “Polish death camps” as shorthand for the German camps on Nazi-occupied soil as an example.

Duda signed the law on Tuesday. But in a nod to the critics, he also asked the country’s constitutional court to review it, leaving open the possibility the law could be amended.

Poland in fact was subjected to brutal occupation during the war, and the government at the time did not collaborate. It went into exile abroad while an underground army at home resisted the Nazis. There were, however, cases of Poles who identified Jews to the Germans or killed them directly.

“In this dispute, one can see clearly Israel is fighting to keep the monopoly on the Holocaust,” presidential adviser Zybertowicz said in the interview. “The ‘religion’ of the Holocaust has become a symbolic shield for that country, which is used by Israel to create for itself a special position in many places in the world. A shield which is meant to protect Israel against any criticism.”


https://apnews.com/d17f8ca8a3af46cca72472e796d43510

Filipenko wrote:... o kolonizovanju istoka Nemcima (samo malo daljeg istoka) a....

otto katz wrote:O đubreta. Trebalo je napraviti Izrael od istočne Poljske, a ne u Palestini.

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Moravjecki: Poljaci, Srbi i Grci nisu sarađivali s Hitlerom


Premijer Poljske Mateuš Moravjecki je ocenio da je nedopustivo optuživati Poljake za "tuđe ratne zločine", posebno jer su, kako je rekao, Poljaci, zajedno sa Srbima, Grcima i Jevrejima, bili jedini narod u okupiranoj Evropi koji nije sarađivao sa Hitlerovim fašistima.

"Poljska, imajući u vidu svoju istoriju, ne moža da bude optuživana za tuđe zločine. Ne mogu se mešati dželati sa žrtvama", kazao je Moravjecki.  

On je to rekao povodom spora Poljske sa Izraelom i SAD oko novog paragrafa u poljskom Zakonu o Institutu pamćenja naroda kojim se s tri godine zatvora preti za svako pripisivanje poljskoj državi i narodu ratnih zločina ili saučesništva u Holokaustu.  

Moravjecki je u intervjuu poljskoj agenciji PAP naglasio da tokom Drugog svetskog rata Poljska kao država, njen pokret otpora i vlada u egzilu u Londonu, nisu sarađivali sa nacistima.  

"Nije bilo poljskih logora smrti, nije bilo poljskog Gestapa, nije bilo poljskih gasnih komora. Poljski narod i poljska država nisu sarađivali s nacistima, već je bilo upravo suprotno: zajedno s jevrejskim narodom, Srbima i Grcima, jedini nisu bili kolaboranti Nemačke. Jevreji su najteže pogodjeni, ali i Poljaci su pretrpeli nezamislive nepravde", kazao je Moravjecki.  

Izmenom Zakona o Institutu pamćenja naroda vladajući konzervativci iz stranke Pravo i Pravda žele da zaštite ugled Poljske i Poljaka pred optužbama da su bili Hitlerovi saučesnici u Holokaustu, zbog zločina pojedinih Poljaka nad Jevrejima i pogroma, čega je bilo i posle rata, 1946. godine, u gradu Kjelce.  

Međutim, Izrael, SAD i jevrejske organizacije protumačili su izmenu tog poljskog zakona kao pokušaj da se spreče svedočenja preživelih iz Holokausta da su se, krijući se od nacista, podjednako plašili i suseda Poljaka da ih ne opljačkaju, ne izruče Nemcima ili da ih sami ne ubiju.  

Kritičari iz Izraela i SAD kažu i da Poljska pokušava da pretnjama zatvorom stvori veštački mit poljskog naroda da je uvek bio žrtva, a nikad dželat, i a je Jevrejima samo pomagao.  

Predsednik Andžej Duda je potpisao zakon, ali ga je odmah uputio Ustavnom sudu da proveri da li izmene guše slobodu govora i pravo novinara, recimo da pišu o tim zločinima nekih Poljaka nad Jevrejima tokom Drugog svetskog rata, i da li je eventualno potrebno da se paragraf o tome precizira.  

Vlada i sam premijer Mateuš Moravjecki nastoje da izglade spor sa Izraelom, a pre svega sa SAD, jer je iz Vašingtona stiglo upozorenje da taj spor može negativno da utiče i na savezničke odnose Vašingtona i Varšave.

Poljska na SAD na vojnom planu gleda kao na glavnog garanta svoje bezbednosti i stalo joj je do prisustva hiljada američkih vojnika.

"Želeo bih da dogovorimo zajednički stav Izraela i Poljske o tome. Ali, na obe strane mora da postoji želja da se stav izradi i da se poštuju neke elementarne istorijske činjenice. Imajući u vidu istoriju Poljske, ne sme da bude optuživana za tudje zločine", kazao je Moravjecki agenciji PAP.

Zuper wrote:Uopste mi nije jasno na sta su racunali kada su videli sta su uradili Britanci i Francuzi u Minhenu, mada je bila kontakata Nemacke i Poljske tada...