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by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:38 amSNP leader Nicola Sturgeon indicated her party would oppose an election: “Johnson appears to be saying to MPs ‘If you vote for an election, I’ll bring back my bad Brexit bill and try to drag us out of the EU before we go to the polls’.
“Elections should be exercises in letting voters decide, not devices for charlatans to get their own way.”
And Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson said: “Boris Johnson is trying to distract from his government’s failure. He has missed his do-or-die deadline and is now demanding that parliament give him a general election and the time to ram through his Bill without proper scrutiny.
“The Liberal Democrats will not support any election until it is clear that we can avoid crashing out with no deal, and that needs an extension from the EU.”
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The EU will delay its decision on the length of the next Brexit extension until next Monday or Tuesday to take into account the results of a vote on Boris Johnson’s demand for a Christmas general election.
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It is understood that the French government alone stood in the way of the EU granting the three month extension that Johnson sought in his letter on Saturday evening.
An EU source said the bloc’s offer would now be made on Monday or Tuesday – just 48 hours before the UK is set to leave the EU on 31 October – but that the president of the European council, Donald Tusk, had “no intention” of calling a special summit.
The EU’s delay leaves Jeremy Corbyn with a difficult decision to make. He had said Labour would only vote in favour of a general election if the EU confirmed on Friday that it would grant an extension to 31 January, taking a no deal Brexit “off the table”.
“There was full agreement on the need for an extension,” an EU source said of the meeting of EU27 ambassadors in Brussels. “There was full agreement to reach a unanimous, consensual EU27 decision. And there was full agreement to aim to take the decision by written procedure … Work will continue over the weekend.”
The diplomatic source added that EU27 diplomats “expected to meet early next week to finalise an agreement”.
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Those terms were due to be signed off on Friday but ran into trouble. “There is one country standing in the way – France”, said a diplomat. “Everyone is very frustrated. They were told that a short extension ran the risk of an accidental no deal Brexit.”
“It is the French, always the French,” said a second senior diplomat.
Sources suggested that France’s president Emmanuel Macron was keen to appear helpful to Downing Street and keep the pressure on MPs.
On Thursday, France’s EU minister, Amélie de Montchalin, had told RTL radio that clarity over the next steps in London was needed for decisions to be made in “the next hours and days”.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/25/michel-barnier-eu-brexit-extension-boris-johnson-election
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“Taiwan-on-Thames” is probably about right: diplomatically marginalised island democracy, dependent on US support, with a business elite whose wealth derives from the large market next door, and politicians who mainly argue about whether to have closer cross-Channel relations. https://t.co/vmL0iWAKSi
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Fears rise over post-Brexit workers’ rights and regulations
UK considers diverging on rules despite ‘level playing field’ promises to EU
The British government is planning to diverge from the EU on regulation and workers’ rights after Brexit, despite its pledge to maintain a “level playing field” in prime minister Boris Johnson’s deal, according to an official paper shared by ministers this week.
The government paper drafted by Dexeu, the Brexit department, with input from Downing Street stated that the UK was open to significant divergence, even though Brussels is insisting on comparable regulatory provisions.
The issue will come to a head when the UK begins the next phase of talks with the EU to forge a new trade deal. However, the UK in effect still faces the prospect of a no-deal Brexit next week unless EU states agree a new extension date for when the UK will leave the bloc. France was on Friday pushing for a shorter extension date than the one Mr Johnson has requested.
In a passage that could alarm Labour MPs who have backed the Brexit bill, the leaked government document also said the drafting of workers’ rights and environmental protection commitments “leaves room for interpretation”.
The paper, titled “Update to EPSG on level playing field negotiations”, appears to contradict comments made by Mr Johnson on Wednesday when he said the UK was committed to “the highest possible standards” for workers’ rights and environmental standards.
The document said the UK’s and EU’s “interpretation of these [level playing field] commitments will be very different” and that the text represented a “much more open starting point for future relationship negotiations”. It added that London believed that binding arbitration would be “inappropriate”.
The document boasts that “UK negotiators successfully resisted the inclusion of all UK-wide LPF rules” in the previous Theresa May deal.
A government spokesperson said the UK government “has no intention of lowering the standards of workers’ rights or environmental protection after we leave the EU and we already exceed EU minimum standards in areas such as maternity leave, shared parental leave and greenhouse gas targets.”
“UK Level Playing Field commitments will be negotiated in the context of the future UK-EU Free Trade Agreement, where we will achieve a balance of rights and obligations which reflect the scope and depth of the future relationship,” the spokesperson added.
Jenny Chapman, Labour’s shadow Brexit minister, said: “These documents confirm our worst fears. Boris Johnson’s Brexit is a blueprint for a deregulated economy, which will see vital rights and protections torn up.”
Mr Johnson has in the past been a persistent critic of what he sees as unnecessary regulation from Brussels. Jeremy Corbyn, Labour leader, this week pointed out that Mr Johnson had once described employment regulation as “back-breaking”, saying the bill’s provisions offered “no real protection at all”.
But the prime minister vowed to “ensure that whatever the EU comes up with, we can match it and pass it into the law of this country”.
The document gets to the heart of the dilemma between London’s desire to stay within the EU’s regulatory orbit while also seeking to diverge from the EU economic model. Speaking in New York in September, Mr Johnson set out a vision of Britain as a low-tax, lightly regulated economy on the edge of Europe — a vision that alarms some EU leaders.
Mr Johnson’s deal leaves the UK with freedom to set its own regulatory standards from the end of its post-Brexit transition period, which runs to the end of 2022 at the latest. But the EU has warned that Britain’s prospects of getting an ambitious trade deal with Brussels depend on it continuing to uphold robust rules.
The new deal is very different to Theresa May’s, in which the UK made a legal commitment not to roll back EU regulatory standards in areas such as social and environmental protections as long as her “backstop” plan for preventing a hard Irish border was needed.
This was scrapped by British and EU negotiators because, unlike the backstop, Mr Johnson’s deal does not involve a UK-EU customs union with free movement of goods.
Under Mr Johnson’s deal, the legally binding “level playing field” provisions that remain in the exit treaty are almost exclusively limited to Northern Ireland. But the non-binding political declaration on future EU-UK relations makes clear that there is a direct link between Britain’s regulatory environment and market access.
The declaration said both Britain and the EU should continue to uphold “the common high standards” applicable at the end of the post-Brexit transition period in areas such as state-aid policy, social and environmental regulation and tax.
It also made clear that the ambition of any future trade deal would be linked to Britain’s willingness to stick closely to relevant “union and international standards”.
Existing EU trade deals, such as those with Japan and Canada, have some provisions on limitations to state aid and respect for international climate and labour market accords, but breaches of the commitments do not lead to punitive tariffs.
EU officials have been clear, though, that something stronger is needed for the UK, given the risks that regulatory dumping in Britain, combined with extensive market access, could pose to European companies. The declaration stipulates that the level playing field commitments in a future trade deal should be backed by “enforcement and dispute settlement”.
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UK (GB), Opinium poll:
— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) October 26, 2019
CON-ECR: 40% (+3)
LAB-S&D: 24%
LDEM-RE: 15% (-1)
BREXIT-NI: 10% (-2)
+/- vs. 15-17 Oct
Fieldwork: 23-25 October 2019
Sample size: N/A
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Tereza Mej je htela da kad krenu da pregovoaraju da ih EU i dalje vidi jednim delom kao "svoje". Medjutim, kao sto je Mutti rekla - ovim dealom UK je proper third country. Da, imace vecu slobodu priliko sklapanja dealova sa trecim zemljama. Medjutim, kao sto tekst kaze, to je tako "u teoriji". Medjutim glavna stvar su services. Tu mogu gadno da nadrljaju ako ne budu pazljivi ili ako globalno nesto krene po zlu. Plus, Dublin vise-manje, ali ako Edinburgh bude u nekom momentu stekao nezavisnost i bude makar u Single Marketu ako ne vec u EU - Edinburgh je finansijski centar sa daleko vecim iskustvom od Dublina, mnogo razvijenijim finansijskim institucijama i neuporedivo vecom vrednoscu kapitala.
Tereza Mej je htela da kad krenu da pregovoaraju da ih EU i dalje vidi jednim delom kao "svoje". Medjutim, kao sto je Mutti rekla - ovim dealom UK je proper third country. Da, imace vecu slobodu priliko sklapanja dealova sa trecim zemljama. Medjutim, kao sto tekst kaze, to je tako "u teoriji". Medjutim glavna stvar su services. Tu mogu gadno da nadrljaju ako ne budu pazljivi ili ako globalno nesto krene po zlu. Plus, Dublin vise-manje, ali ako Edinburgh bude u nekom momentu stekao nezavisnost i bude makar u Single Marketu ako ne vec u EU - Edinburgh je finansijski centar sa daleko vecim iskustvom od Dublina, mnogo razvijenijim finansijskim institucijama i neuporedivo vecom vrednoscu kapitala.
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After negotiations, it was agreed that the display could remain as long as anything in Cantonese or Mandarin was removed.
svejedno, to su obrisi buducnosti, pogotovu kad si izvan EU moras da se dodvoravas svakojakim autoritarcima. medjutim, tu nastaju problemi. UK je na ivici da dozvoli Huaweiju da postavlja 5G kod njih. Su cim ce pred narandzastog genija onda?
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Oranzista nece vladati duze od max 5 godina a drug Ksi je tu za vecnost i dominaciju...sta je 5 godina za 5G?
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svejedno, to su obrisi buducnosti, pogotovu kad si izvan EU moras da se dodvoravas svakojakim autoritarcima. medjutim, tu nastaju problemi. UK je na ivici da dozvoli Huaweiju da postavlja 5G kod njih. Su cim ce pred narandzastog genija onda?
Понудиће му шољу чаја.
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Хм, да не буде то схваћено као миг Чајанци? Ех политика курва, зрикаво гледа и никад не знаш коме намигује.
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Zuper wrote:Oranzista nece vladati duze od max 5 godina a drug Ksi je tu za vecnost i dominaciju...sta je 5 godina za 5G?
ne zauzimam stav, samo ukazujem na situaciju
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The EU27 has agreed that it will accept the UK's request for a #Brexit flextension until 31 January 2020. The decision is expected to be formalised through a written procedure.
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A таман сам мислио да су сви заборавили на дневников додатак, плејоф, играње продужетака, подгревање сарме...
Ел' би могли они мало и за појас да задену, да оладе мало?
Ел' би могли они мало и за појас да задену, да оладе мало?
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So what's in the Brexit flextension agreement? Key points: pic.twitter.com/tDu5fBuyIQ
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Ubacili EU Rimejneri ovo da i dalje imaju pravo da povuku A50 
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At first sight the move by Liberal Democrats and the SNP to break with Labour and call for an early election seems inexplicable.
With the Tories ten points ahead in the polls, an election could be the prime minister’s best chance to deliver his own form of Brexit with a more compliant parliament.
So why are the two opposition parties seemingly doing Boris Johnson’s bidding by offering him a path out of the current gridlock?
Behind the move is a mix of principled, self-serving and expedient calculations. The first calculation is the reasonable concern that without an election the EU is unlikely to grant the UK another long extension in January.
This time round France held out in a minority of one against the January 31 extension and sources said President Macron’s acceptance of it today was, in part, driven by the fresh impetus for new elections.
Lib Dem strategists say they fear that if the deadlock has not been broken in January the French argument will win through. That would mean a much shorter extension with parliament being forced to choose between the deal on the table and revoking Article 50 altogether. Parliament, in those circumstances, is likely to choose the deal.
The second argument in favour of an election now is that the Lib Dems believe it will be harder for Mr Johnson to win with Brexit undelivered.
This is why they have made their support conditional on the prime minister giving up on attempts to get his bill through parliament first.
It is certainly true that polling suggests the Tories may struggle to sell the deal in an election.
A YouGov poll for The Times on Friday found that just one voter in five (19 per cent) thought that the agreement was a good one and only 3 per cent said that it was a “very good deal”.
In an election with Brexit undelivered the Tories risk losing votes to both the Brexit Party and the Lib Dems by being forced to defend an unpopular deal against the “purer” positions of other parties.
The Lib Dems and SNP are also calculating that whatever happens, their own political interests are best served with an election before Brexit.
Labour will go into such a poll with a deeply conflicted policy. Meanwhile, with its simple pledge to revoke Article 50 the Lib Dems could have a message that will resonate with their core target vote.
The SNP also have their own reasons for backing an early poll. Their former leader is due to stand trial in January. Whatever the result Nicola Sturgeon would prefer to have an election before that gets under way.
Finally, there is a fear that if there is not an early election Mr Johnson may decide to bring his Withdrawal Bill back before parliament.
If this happens, Lib Dem strategists claim, there is a decent chance that it could eventually pass — especially if it is successfully amended to include the possibility of a customs union.
Some government figures suggest that Brexiteers might be prepared to live with this as it would not be binding on a future administration.
If this were the case, and Labour Brexiteers got the bill over the line, then Britain would have left the EU and Lib Dems main electoral card would vanish overnight.
All this is not to say an election will happen. In order for it to succeed a bill would have to pass through parliament in little over ten days’ time.
There will be attempts made to amend the bill — for example, by extending the franchise to 16 and 17-year-olds — that could effectively wreck it as it would not allow an election to be held in time for the December deadline.
Mr Johnson himself might decide that the risks were not worth it and try and sabotage the plan while being seen to support it.
But, regardless of the obstacles, it does mean that a snap election is closer now that it was at the end of last week.
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Opravdanje za posebne interese ld i snp inace dosta losih ocekivanja sta ce npr. raditi torijevci.
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Tajms je u sustini neutralan, minimalno naginje ka remain, ali je skoro totalno na ekvidistanci od stranaka (osim sto ne vole Korbina, naravno...). A i ne znam sta bi radili Torijevci. BoJo je izborna masina, izmedju ostalog hoce izbore i zato jer se najbolje oseca u kampanji.
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