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uticaj v šešelja na naslove u popularnoj beletristici
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Nesto si se danas bas usplahirio miko.
Udaraju te klimatske promene.
Udaraju te klimatske promene.
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Boris Johnson’s hopes of winning a clear majority for his Brexit plan faced a new threat on Sunday night as Labour declared that it would seek the backing of rebel Tories and the DUP for amendments that would force him to drop the deal – or accept a softer Brexit.
As both sides sought to gather parliamentary support after Saturday’s vote to force Johnson to seek a new delay to the UK’s departure from the European Union, Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said Labour was prepared to talk to the prime minister’s former allies in the Democratic Unionist party (DUP) about forging a better deal.
The news raises the prospect that a new parliamentary alliance could form at the 11th hour – forcing the government into a softer departure from the EU or a confirmatory vote on whether to leave at all.
Telegraph
Boris Johnson will tomorrow launch a renewed attempt to push his Brexit deal through Parliament as a rebel alliance of MPs pledged to fight a “guerilla war” to stop Britain leaving the EU by the end of the month.
The Prime Minister will demand that MPs are allowed a straightforward vote on his deal after Oliver Letwin, a former Conservative Cabinet minister, conspired with Labour to destroy an historic weekend sitting of Parliament which had been expected finally to approve Brexit.
Amid growing fears that MPs will continue to thwart attempts to approve the deal, Downing Street is drawing up plans to force a general election which could take place as soon as Nov 28.
The DUP has threatened to unite with Labour to back a customs union this week as it warned it will unleash “guerilla warfare” to bring down Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal.
In a move that could torpedo the Prime Minister’s strategy for delivering Brexit by Oct 31, senior DUP figures have threatened to back proposals which could prevent the UK from pursuing its own trade policy.
Should MPs back an amendment for customs union this week, Mr Johnson could be forced to pull the legislation required to ensure the UK leaves the European Union on time.
The Times
Labour has announced that it plans to hijack Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal next week by whipping MPs to support amendments for a second referendum and customs union with the EU.
Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said that Labour backs an amendment demanding a confirmatory vote on any deal, which is expected to be tabled by backbenchers.
He also made a public appeal to the DUP — which until last week propped up the government — to back an amendment to keep Britain in a customs union with the EU.
The European Union will delay Brexit until February if Boris Johnson is unable to get his deal past MPs this week.
Diplomatic sources said that the delay would be “fungible” meaning that Britain could leave earlier, on the 1st or 15th of November, December or January, if his deal is ratified before the extension ends.
No decision will be taken until EU governments can assess the chances of the withdrawal treaty getting through parliament, not before Tuesday this week. If the prime minister runs into serious trouble or MPs force a second referendum then countries led by Germany will push for a longer extension, possibly until June next year.
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Brussels believes it is now time to move on with Brexit
EU leaders want to minimise disruption and concentrate on other pressing issues
Wolfgang Münchau YESTERDAY
Forget the letters. The EU will almost certainly extend the Brexit deadline, even though UK prime minister Boris Johnson sent three contradictory missives to the bloc on Saturday evening, rather than simply asking for an extension, as required by the Benn Act.
But the EU’s position on extension has shifted in a subtle but substantial way from six months ago. Back then at least some EU leaders sympathised, or even colluded with, the Remainers in the House of Commons. They had lost confidence in then-prime minister Theresa May after her repeated defeats. They had even lower expectations of Mr Johnson.
But the crucial difference this time is that he has managed to edge towards, and possibly beyond, the majority needed to pass his deal.
So what will the EU do?
There is still a small window for an October 31 Brexit, but it is closing. The two more likely scenarios both involve an extension. If the commons approves the deal, the EU would agree to a short technical extension, of a few weeks, to secure ratification of the agreement by the European parliament.
If the UK parliament votes no, the European Council will require the UK to point to a political way forward as a condition for granting an extension. I do not see a majority for a second referendum. This leaves an election.
From the EU’s point of view, this is a fairly straightforward decision, unlikely to prove controversial. Since Mr Johnson also wants to avoid a no-deal Brexit — despite what he says publicly — their interests are more aligned than it appears.
What is the reason behind the shift in Brussels? EU leaders are political animals. They can be quite brutal. Think about how they stitched up Silvio Berlusconi and George Papandreou, the former prime ministers of Italy and Greece during those countries’ crises. Mr Johnson is not in that category. Continental European chancelleries see Mr Johnson as the big beast of British politics right now. They will need him as a political ally beyond Brexit.
What has also shifted is their perception of relative risk. The EU would, I think, still prefer Brexit to be reversed. But the past two months have shown that the risk of a no-deal Brexit is much higher than previously thought. It is one thing for EU officials to say to a journalist that they expect it, quite another to believe it and to act on it. Germany may already be in a recession due to a drop in Chinese imports of German manufacturing goods. Brexit uncertainty is also a factor. A no-deal Brexit would turn the industrial recession into something much worse. Chancellor Angela Merkel and other EU leaders are willing to accept a less-than-perfect withdrawal agreement to insure against such a calamity. They would rather take the safe option of a compromise than a three-way bet that gives them, say, a 20 per cent probability of both a Brexit reversal and a no-deal Brexit.
That view has changed since the spring, when several EU leaders were only too happy to play the extension game. Even Donald Tusk, the outgoing president of the European Council, has dropped his previous habit of arguing in favour of a second referendum. I have often disagreed with him, but I thought he hit the right note last week when he spoke about his sadness about Brexit, and his hope that a future generation might reverse the decision.
Many UK Remainers have been in campaigning mode since 2016. They are not ready yet to concede defeat. But at least Mr Tusk has decided that it is time to move on to the next stage of mourning, from denial to acceptance.
There are other, more subtle, reasons why the EU might want to cut its losses. Brexit has distracted the bloc from other important, unresolved issues. Some EU leaders had hoped to present the accession of North Macedonia and Albania as antidote to Brexit. One country leaves, two join. France vetoed this, arguing the EU needs to reform itself before the next round of enlargement.
The EU is also struggling to agree a response to Turkey’s invasion of northern Syria. Germany’s recent decision to allow Chinese group Huawei to participate in its 5G networks shows that the EU has yet to formulate a coherent policy towards China. And the European parliament’s rejection of France’s pick for the next European Commission, Sylvie Goulard, means that we can no longer take the investiture of incoming president Ursula von der Leyen’s selections for granted. Brexit is not the only game in town.
Having said all this, there is still one big reason to expect more Brexit extensions: EU leaders habitually kick the proverbial can down the road whenever that is possible. While I would not go as far as to claim that they have dropped this preference, I believe this time is different because interests have shifted.
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Steve Barclay confirms to both @hilarybennmp and @SDoughtyMP what he said to @StewartWood earlier in the day: under Boris Johnson’s deal Northern Irish firms selling goods to GB will have to fill out customs documentation to do so. Filling out forms to sell in your own country...
— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) October 21, 2019
Barclay refused to say whether same would apply with goods going from GB to NI.
— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) October 21, 2019
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/stephen-barclaySteve Barclay was appointed as Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union on 16 November 2018.
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jbg
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We @theSNP have lodged an amendment to the withdrawal bill declining a second reading in the absence of the Scottish Parliament giving consent. Our right to determine whether we remain EU citizens must be in our hands not @BorisJohnson pic.twitter.com/PAcRtCY6LI
— Ian Blackford (@IanBlackfordMP) October 22, 2019
Proci ce ovo danas ako se nekako organizuju da glasaju.
Doduse, to je pocetak zakonodavnog procesa koji ce skoro sigurno trajati preko 31. oktobra i koji nije sasvim bez mina na putu
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First the probabilities in comparison to Friday last week
— Jon Worth (@jonworth) October 22, 2019
-%No Deal 31 Oct
2%
18%Stalemate
10%
64%
3%
3%
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Ma pazi, sve i da je on u pravu, GE ce veoma tesko skinuti Konzerve s vlasti. Takva je geografija i takav je izborni sistem.
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U stvari, mozda se Korbin nada da ce ako prodje Brexit nastupiti sa pricom - ok, sad je gotovo glasajte u skladu sa svojim finansijskim interesima. Medjutim - bice, sigurno, rimejnerskog backlasha putem glasanja za LibDems i SNP u Skotskoj. Drugo - konzerve ce sigurno ici sa pricom - ispunili smo ovo obecanje, "let's finish the job", nemojte da vam Labour ("propped up by SNP") "ukrade" Brexit carinskom unijom ili necim slicnim u novom ugovoru sa EU. Just watch. Zasto menjati taktiku koja dobija.
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Westminster voting intention:
— Britain Elects (@britainelects) October 22, 2019
CON: 37% (-)
LAB: 22% (-)
LDEM: 19% (+1)
BREX: 11% (-)
GRN: 7% (+2)
via @YouGov, 20 - 21 Oct
Chgs. w/ 15 Oct
Hypothetical EU referendum voting intention:
— Britain Elects (@britainelects) October 21, 2019
Leave w/ the government's deal: 42%
Remain: 42%
via @Survation, 17 - 18 Oct
No 10 source says, 'if Parliament votes again for delay by voting down the programme motion, and the EU offers delay until 31 Jan -- then we will pull the Bill, there will be no further business for Parliament and we'll move to an election before Christmas'
— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) October 22, 2019
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bude drugi ref i pobedi brexit 52:48
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Drugi referendum bi bio rat drugim sredstvima. Možda. Mislim, možda "drugim".
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Sinn Fein vice president Michelle O’Neill has suggested that a border poll on Irish unity is likely to happen within five years, due to Brexit upheaval, the Press Association reports.
O’Neill said polls show the necessity for debate and planning to begin on preparations for a border poll, and then beyond that to a united Ireland.
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Gargantua wrote:bude drugi ref i pobedi brexit 52:48
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"Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."
Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
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KinderLad wrote:
Drugi referendum bi bio rat drugim sredstvima. Možda. Mislim, možda "drugim".
Šin Fejn da začini
Sinn Fein vice president Michelle O’Neill has suggested that a border poll on Irish unity is likely to happen within five years, due to Brexit upheaval, the Press Association reports.
O’Neill said polls show the necessity for debate and planning to begin on preparations for a border poll, and then beyond that to a united Ireland.
Mislis mozda prvim.
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"Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."
Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
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Pa to.
Mislim, bili bi clashes na ulicama 100%.
Spasili su partiju, rascepili zemlju. Da stvar bude gora - na pola.
Mislim, bili bi clashes na ulicama 100%.
Spasili su partiju, rascepili zemlju. Da stvar bude gora - na pola.
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Sva sredstva se koriste
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/22/operation-yellowhammer-brexit-preparations
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/22/operation-yellowhammer-brexit-preparations
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329:299 za predlog vlade da WA prođe dalje.
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Prvo proslo,da vidimo dalje.
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Drugo nece proci
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322:308, odbijanje "brzog dnevnog reda za WA"
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Sparazum je izglasan ali nije vreme kako ce ici vremenski rasprava.
Tako da ce se videti sta ce da rade.
Tako da ce se videti sta ce da rade.
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Dzonson ce sacekati odluku EU oko produzenja jer on ima sada izglasan sporazum o izlasku.
Ako produze ide na izbore.
Ako produze ide na izbore.
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