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A special meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party has just broken up, the near-unanimous view of the room was that Corbyn should hold off on a snap election until after November 1. Corbyn may disagree. But in the words of one figure: "They (MPs) are the ones who have the vote."

— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) September 4, 2019

The [YouGov] survey of 1,533 voters found Johnson's suspension of parliament was viewed as undemocratic by an overwhelming 46% to 32%, while the prime minister's decision to throw 21 of his MPs - including two former chancellors and the grandson of Sir Winston Churchill - out of his party is also viewed as undemocratic by 45% to 32%.

Barely a fifth (22%) of voters think people voted in 2016 to leave with No Deal, reinforcing claims by Johnson's opponents that he has no mandate to impose this on the British people now. But only 21% think a General Election is the right way to settle Brexit. Instead, a majority - 53% excluding don't knows - say they support a new public vote.

Johnson has defended his hardline stance by claiming he's seeking to negotiate a new deal but fewer voters (39%) think he's serious about this than think he's not serious (42%).

By a margin of two-to-one, voters think Johnson cares more about his personal interests (42%) than the national interest (21%), while another 5% think his main concern is the Conservative Party rather than the nation.

The poll also shows that voters believe by three to one that No Deal will be bad for their family's living standards (40% to 13%), that by two to one will leave Britain's economy weaker (46% to 24%) and will see the NHS get worse (41% to 21%).

Peter Kellner, former president of YouGov and one of the UK's most respected polling commentators, said it shows that the government's attempt to present itself as "defenders of the people versus the politicians is already in trouble".

He said: "By large margins, people believe Boris Johnson has behaved undemocratically by suspending parliament and sacking MPs who disagree with him. Barely a fifth believe that the UK voted for No Deal and a clear majority think his plan for a General Election is no way to solve this crisis. Perhaps most worrying of all for a PM launching a populist election campaign, voters say - by a margin of two-to-one - he is motivated more by own his own interests than the national interest.

"The poll shows that Boris Johnson has not got a mandate to impose No Deal because barely a third believe this is what the country voted for in 2016. It reveals deep pessimism about the prospects for living standards, the NHS and young people if it goes ahead. This is not a poll that will instil confidence in Conservative election strategists."

bruno sulak wrote:sva ova istrazivanja mogu da okace macku o rep u ovom haosu

More than 100,000 people have applied to register to vote since the start of the week, with young people making up the bulk of the surge against the backdrop of a momentous 48 hours in British politics.

58% of applications submitted on the two days were from people aged 34 and under.

Last but not least, engineering a delay in Brexit would simply encourage the Government to go for broke. If they were to back a no-deal Brexit, Nigel Farage would step aside and the Leave vote would unite. I am sure those in No 10 genuinely and rightly want a deal. But they may not have a choice if furious voters begin to turn to the Brexit Party again. Do the Remainers really want to goad Downing Street in this way?

Gargantua wrote:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1169219121936044033?s=19

There are are only four certainties about the next general election in Britain, which would be the country's fifth nationwide contest in only four years
#pmqs #Brexit

First, it will strengthen our emerging Brexit identities. Since the referendum, studies suggest that our identities as 'Remainers' or 'Leavers' have become as important, if not more important, than our traditional party political identities. Another election will cement this.

Second, these identities & another toxic election will fuel the polarisation of British society. Research shows Britain is now suffering from 'affective polarisation' like the US -Brexit identities leading us to feel emotionally attached to our tribe but also hostile to the other

Third, all of this + election will push us further toward full 'realignment' of Britain's party system. Major realignments are rare -examples 1846, 1906, 1980s. A once stable 2 party system has already imploded into 4 party race. Cons sinking anchor in Leave, opposition in Remain

Fourth, an election will be VERY unpredictable. Britain grappling with rates of volatility (switching between parties) & disloyalty to 2 main parties that are largely unprecedented in postwar era. Con landslide or Lab-led coalition equally plausible to me. Major gamble for all.

KinderLad wrote:Cini mi se da ni Brexiters ne razumeju igru koja se igra. DT:

Last but not least, engineering a delay in Brexit would simply encourage the Government to go for broke. If they were to back a no-deal Brexit, Nigel Farage would step aside and the Leave vote would unite. I am sure those in No 10 genuinely and rightly want a deal. But they may not have a choice if furious voters begin to turn to the Brexit Party again. Do the Remainers really want to goad Downing Street in this way?

I jedna i druga strana ozbiljno potcenjuju protivničku stranu

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KinderLad wrote:Cini mi se da ni Brexiters ne razumeju igru koja se igra. DT:



I jedna i druga strana ozbiljno potcenjuju protivničku stranu

Мало брвно, превише овнова.

Philippe Lamberts MEP was asked buy ⁦@Channel4News⁩, “Is the UK involved in any intense negotiations, as Boris claims?”.

His response:
“THATS BULLSHIT, THATS BULLSHIT!”

Says all we need to know about the supposed negotiations#LiarJohnson#BorisIsALiar#BorisJohnsonLies pic.twitter.com/a0jjokmJQf

— Pascal De Polla (@PascalDePolla) September 4, 2019