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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by xie saike on Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:01 am

pa dobro, u srbiji je zvanicna drzavna i masovno u narodu prihvacena politika bila ubizakolji da siptar ne postoji, tesko da se tu sta moglo braniti novinarstvom, osim laganjem jel.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Gargamel on Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:28 am

xie saike wrote:pa dobro, u srbiji je zvanicna drzavna i masovno u narodu prihvacena politika bila ubizakolji da siptar ne postoji, tesko da se tu sta moglo braniti novinarstvom, osim laganjem jel.
u Siriji je državna politika "Asad ili ćemo sve spaliti". nekim čudom, spontano ljudsko sagorevanje je dominantan uzrok smrtnosti među onima koji Asada ne vole više od mame, tate, i strine. ili barem tako tvrde oni kojima je istina o Siriji prirasla srcu.

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Post by MNE on Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:32 pm

gluposti, imam par drugara koji su putovali motorom do Sirije prije arapskog proljeca i usput zalazili i u zabacenija mjesta(tamo su nasli nekog kolegu motoristu koji im je bio i prevodilac), generalni utisak je bio da ako ne predstavljas opasnost po vlast mozes da pricas sta god oces, otprilike kao i ovo kod nas na Balkanu

e otkad se zagovnalo situacija je sigurno postala bitno drugacija
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Post by Gargamel on Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:00 pm

MNE wrote:otprilike kao i ovo kod nas na Balkanu
sem ratnih perioda, "kao i ovo kod nas" bi možda važilo samo za period 1945-50 kada su jugokomunisti dokazivali da su bolji katolici od Pape.


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In March 2008, Bushra Al-Assad, sister of Bashar Al-Assad, came to Damascus University College of Pharmacy as a guest lecturer for third year Pharmacy students. My friends and I were in the lecture hall when she started her lecture with “The immortal leader”… She kept going on and on about different topics, until she start talking about the specific components of a certain drug and how the way they come together is how the country should come together. One of my friends interjected to correct her by saying that the drug she named didn’t have all the components she named.
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We went back to school and waited for them to release my friend but a month passed and we never heard from him. After two months we left the lecture hall and found our friend standing at the door of the lecture hall with the most horrifying facial expression and said he was coming to say his goodbyes. We went to a cafe and asked him what happened when they took him away. He said, “Nothing, they were amazing and said because I was so brave, Bushra Al-Assad wanted to send me to Germany on a scholarship she will fund herself so I can pursue a higher education.”
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A few weeks ago, my friend got an incredible job at a drug company in Germany and I called to congratulate him. We talked for about 3 hours and then he said “Do you mind if he hang up, I’m starting to get a headache.” Joking, I said, “So now that you’re high up there with a great job, you don’t talk to the little people anymore?”.. He then said, “No I’m serious, I have a headache, I have to go.” Two minutes later he sent me a message on Whatsapp saying “Do you remember in 2008 when I was dragged out of the lecture hall? I lied. They castrated me and gave me two month to leave the country with a paper that said ‘Not valid for sexual relations'”.
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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:09 pm

MNE wrote:gluposti, imam par drugara koji su putovali motorom do Sirije prije arapskog proljeca i usput zalazili i u zabacenija mjesta(tamo su nasli nekog kolegu motoristu koji im je bio i prevodilac), generalni utisak je bio da ako ne predstavljas opasnost po vlast mozes da pricas sta god oces, otprilike kao i ovo kod nas na Balkanu

e otkad se zagovnalo situacija je sigurno postala bitno drugacija

Ne znam za Siriju, ali znam kako je bilo u Mubarakovom Egiptu. Mogao si da pricas sta god hoces dok neko ne proceni da si postao opasnost po rezim, tj. da si pokusao da svoje reci na bilo koji nacin sprovedes u delo. Onda su u obzir dolazile sve opcije, u zavisnosti od tezine prestupa i nadrkanosti bahatog silnika u cije si ruke dopao: od celonocnog batinanja u policijskoj stanici, do toga da te crni sluzbeni pezo odveze u nepoznatom pravcu. U Siriji je vladao, koliko znam, vrlo slican sistem apsolutizma.

Poredjenja sa Balkanom ne stoje ni u ludilu. U doba najcrnje Miloseviceve diktature Srbija je bila oaza gradjanskih sloboda u odnosu na Mubarakov Egipat i Asadovu Siriju, koji su opet bili oaza gradjanskih sloboda za Gadafijevu apsolutnu despotiju, tako omiljenu u Srbiji.


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Post by Zuper on Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:15 pm

Rusi pokazali oborene krstarece rakete:









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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by bruno sulak on Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:55 pm

Gargamel wrote:
MNE wrote:otprilike kao i ovo kod nas na Balkanu
sem ratnih perioda, "kao i ovo kod nas" bi možda važilo samo za period 1945-50 kada su jugokomunisti dokazivali da su bolji katolici od Pape.


https://louisproyect.org/2018/04/16/castrated-in-the-21st-century/
In March 2008, Bushra Al-Assad, sister of Bashar Al-Assad, came to Damascus University College of Pharmacy as a guest lecturer for third year Pharmacy students. My friends and I were in the lecture hall when she started her lecture with “The immortal leader”… She kept going on and on about different topics, until she start talking about the specific components of a certain drug and how the way they come together is how the country should come together. One of my friends interjected to correct her by saying that the drug she named didn’t have all the components she named.
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We went back to school and waited for them to release my friend but a month passed and we never heard from him. After two months we left the lecture hall and found our friend standing at the door of the lecture hall with the most horrifying facial expression and said he was coming to say his goodbyes. We went to a cafe and asked him what happened when they took him away. He said, “Nothing, they were amazing and said because I was so brave, Bushra Al-Assad wanted to send me to Germany on a scholarship she will fund herself so I can pursue a higher education.”
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A few weeks ago, my friend got an incredible job at a drug company in Germany and I called to congratulate him. We talked for about 3 hours and then he said “Do you mind if he hang up, I’m starting to get a headache.” Joking, I said, “So now that you’re high up there with a great job, you don’t talk to the little people anymore?”.. He then said, “No I’m serious, I have a headache, I have to go.” Two minutes later he sent me a message on Whatsapp saying “Do you remember in 2008 when I was dragged out of the lecture hall? I lied. They castrated me and gave me two month to leave the country with a paper that said ‘Not valid for sexual relations'”.

pa tesko da je iko kastriran bilo kada u jugokomunizmu.

mislim da gresis i potcenjujes asadov ili uopste projekat arapskog nacionalizam. nije to samo bila histericna prisila i nasilje. to je projekat koji je otpoceo emancipatorski i prosvetiteljski i ti tragovi se i dalje nalaze u njemu.

mislim, asad je ratni zlocinac ali moras da razumes prirodu tog rezima.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Летећи Полип on Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:53 pm

Meni ta priča o štrojenju iskreno malo smrducka. Režimska sujeta je jedno, a ovo je goli sadizam koji bi bio održiv jedino u nekom  režimu nalik Severnoj Koreji. I kao šlag na tortu, oni tako osakaćenog čoveka proteruju iz zemlje, neprijateljskoj propagandi na tacnu. Malo teško.
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Post by Gargamel on Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:55 am

bruno sulak wrote:pa tesko da je iko kastriran bilo kada u jugokomunizmu.
nisu kastrirali, ali se u datom periodu jesu bavili drugim staljinističkim radostima. sem ratnog okruženja '40ih ili '90ih, jedini zapadnobalkanski period u proteklih 100g kada je bilo ko radio bilo šta iole slično sirijskoj službi.

mislim, asad je ratni zlocinac ali moras da razumes prirodu tog rezima.
manjinska vojna diktatura, koja se da održavati jedino ektremnim nasiljem. emancipatorski elementi brzo nestanu u svim režimima, kada se uspostavi da ljudi nisu od gline i ne možeš ih preoblikovati u skladu sa željama.


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Post by Gargamel on Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:58 am

Летећи Полип wrote:Meni ta priča o štrojenju iskreno malo smrducka. Režimska sujeta je jedno, a ovo je goli sadizam koji bi bio održiv jedino u nekom  režimu nalik Severnoj Koreji. I kao šlag na tortu, oni tako osakaćenog čoveka proteruju iz zemlje, neprijateljskoj propagandi na tacnu.
jedan od metoda sirijske službe je da ljude često puštaju nakon tretmana. kao primer drugima, koji bi se ohrabrili da dignu glavu.

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Post by bruno sulak on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:07 am

Gargamel wrote:
bruno sulak wrote:pa tesko da je iko kastriran bilo kada u jugokomunizmu.
nisu kastrirali, ali se u datom periodu jesu bavili drugim staljinističkim radostima. sem ratnog okruženja '40ih ili '90ih, jedini zapadnobalkanski period u proteklih 100g kada je bilo ko radio bilo šta iole slično sirijskoj službi.

mislim, asad je ratni zlocinac ali moras da razumes prirodu tog rezima.
manjinska vojna diktatura, koja se da održavati jedino ektremnim nasiljem. emancipatorski elementi brzo nestanu u svim režimima, kada se uspostavi da ljudi nisu od gline i ne možeš ih preoblikovati u skladu sa željama.

sprovodili ubrzanu izgradnju zemlje unistene ratom? daleko veci zlocini su cinjeni tokom vojne uprave na kosovu i u makedoniji, na primer.

sto se ljudi od gline tice mislim da je tvoj problem sto ocigledno smatras da su na asadovoj strani ljudi od kartona. ocigledno je da rezim uziva popularnu podrsku koja mu, uz stranu podrsku, omogucava opstanak na vlasti. ta prica o ljudima od gline i nesavrsenoj ljudskoj prirodi koja lomi te i takve rezime je jedna od vecih izmisljotina hladnog rata.


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Post by bruno sulak on Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:09 am

mislim fokusiras se na perverzne detalje pa onda ne mozes da odgovoris otkud uopste studenti u tom amfiteatru koji slusaju predavanje iz farmacije.


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Post by Gargamel on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:37 pm

bruno sulak wrote:mislim fokusiras se na perverzne detalje pa onda ne mozes da odgovoris otkud uopste studenti u tom amfiteatru koji slusaju predavanje iz farmacije.
studenti slušali predavanja? šta bi to trebalo da predstavlja? studenti išli na predavanja u SSSR-u, dok je neke odvodilo na društveno koristan rad. slušali predavanja u Argentini, dok je neke helikopterima odnosilo na kupanje. ja išao na predavanja na Kosovu, kada su Albanci bili hebana strana i kada su Srbi bili hebana strana.

nisu ljudi od kartona, kuće često jesu. pa ih valja održavati i đubriti u skladu sa tim.
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Post by Gargamel on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:42 pm

bruno sulak wrote:ta prica o ljudima od gline i nesavrsenoj ljudskoj prirodi koja lomi te i takve rezime je jedna od vecih izmisljotina hladnog rata.
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The head of the U.S. Special Operations Command says unspecified opponents in Syria, almost certainly Russian or Russian-support forces, have reportedly launched electronic warfare attacks against U.S. Air Force AC-130 gunships operating in the country, as well as other communications links. This is the latest in a string of reports that highlight the growing threat of jamming and other non-kinetic attacks to American military activities in the region and in general.
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Post by William Murderface on Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:06 am

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Post by KinderLad on Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:54 am

Gargantua wrote:

Ja se bas plasim neceg slicnog kao u Ukrajini samo u Belorusiji. Bilo Euromajdan bilo Milo Djukanovic varijante. Svet bi bio na ivici nestanka.
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Post by Filipenko on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:37 am

KinderLad wrote:
Gargantua wrote:

Ja se bas plasim neceg slicnog kao u Ukrajini samo u Belorusiji. Bilo Euromajdan bilo Milo Djukanovic varijante. Svet bi bio na ivici nestanka.


Mozda ruski svet.







Ne sumnjam da bi brojni ruski poslanici u Dumi i pomocnici zamenika sefova odbora za spoljne poslove dali vise ostrih izjava. Nemojte samo da mi pricate o tome koliko bi to bilo opasno i kako li bi Lukasenko izveo taj pivot, ima Belorusija to da izvede ocas posla, dajte im jos koju godinu dok razviju pricu o beloruskom jeziku, beloruskoj naciji, beloruskoj istoriji i bice zrelo. Sa ili bez Lukasenka. Ako treba i sa njim, nema frke.


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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:01 am

zapravo batisticka sirija je imala najbolji sistem obrazovanja u regionu zasnovan na besplatnom i svima dostupnom skolstvu. vojna hunta je sekla i unistila sistem obrazovanja u argentini uz deregulaciju i 'slobodnotrzisni' pristup.

no, za nasu raspravu je bitnije da je rezim pukovnika vladao bez popularne podrske.

no, da me ne shvatis pogresno asadov rezim je zlocinacki i neuspesan samo moraju se sagledati razlozi i nacini na koji je neuspesan.


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Post by Gargantua on Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:52 am

KinderLad wrote:
Gargantua wrote:

Ja se bas plasim neceg slicnog kao u Ukrajini samo u Belorusiji. Bilo Euromajdan bilo Milo Djukanovic varijante. Svet bi bio na ivici nestanka.


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bruno sulak wrote:zapravo batisticka sirija je imala najbolji sistem obrazovanja u regionu zasnovan na besplatnom i svima dostupnom skolstvu. vojna hunta je sekla i unistila sistem obrazovanja u argentini uz deregulaciju i 'slobodnotrzisni' pristup.

no, za nasu raspravu je bitnije da je rezim pukovnika vladao bez popularne podrske.

no, da me ne shvatis pogresno asadov rezim je zlocinacki i neuspesan samo moraju se sagledati razlozi i nacini na koji je neuspesan.b

batisticku Siriju je demontirao sam Basar al Asad. on je slomio javni sektor, razvlastio batisticku elitu i neoliberalnim reformama premestio ekonomsku moc u ruke arivista-plutokrata. izmedju rezima prvog i drugog Asada postoje ogromne razlike - drugi je pokusao da se dodvori svetskom kapitalu istovremeno stimulisuci politiku aktivnog priblizavanja Iranu i Moskvi, naspram daleko mudrijoj spoljnoj politici njegovog oca. da sad ne govorim o susi 2007-2010 koju je Asad menadzovao tako sto je pustio seljake da pocrkaju od zedji (ili da, sto su zapravo uradili, da masovno pobegnu u gradove i stvore masu izuzetno besnih mladih ljudi u punoj snazi), pre toga dozvolivsi, u sklopu svoje agrarne kontrareforme kojom je zeleo da ponisti sve sto je njegov otac napravio, da sve drzavne farme koje su spasle Siriju od nestasica hrane kakve su recimo 2008 pogodile Egipat, padnu u ruke spekulanata i kojekakvih Bogoljuba Karica.
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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:15 am

naravno, ali ja o tome govorim. postoje aspekti nasledja tog rezima (mislim i na oca i sina) za koji su ljudi spremni da se bore.

btw, postoji jaka leva opozicija asadu no ti ljudi su cesto meta islamista.


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Post by Gargantua on Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:44 pm

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More than 10 million Syrians who have fled the country’s raging war have been told to lay claim to their homes by early May or risk forfeiting them to the state.

A property law announced this month has raised widespread fears that Syrian citizens who have opposed Bashar al-Assad face permanent exile and that other people considered loyalists may be given access to their communities.

With the majority of internally displaced and overseas refugees unable or unwilling to return to prove ownership of properties, analysts and exiles say the law, known as article 10, and the tight timeframe surrounding it could serve as an instrument of demographic change and social engineering.

It has drawn parallels with laws enacted in Lebanon after the civil war to seize land in central Beirut, and the absentee property law in Israel in 1950 that legalised seizures from Palestinians driven from their lands.

The Syrian law empowers local administrations to re-register property ownership within their areas, a move that requires landowners to be present.

Syrian legal experts say the law focuses on war-damaged areas around Damascus and does not include areas unscathed by the fighting. However, critics and exiled landowners say the regulation has a clear political dimension and carries implications that extend well beyond selective re-zoning.

“For millions of internally displaced and refugees, such proof [of ownership] will most likely be mission impossible,” said Maha Yahya, director of the Carnegie Middle East Centre in Beirut. “Many left without title deeds, some lived in informal settlements, therefore without legally recognised proof of ownership and for others – mainly refugees – going back to Syria to provide such proof is tantamount to a suicide mission.

“From the regime’s perspective, the law will serve three purposes: it gives them an additional vetting instrument over returnees and a way to strip political opponents of their assets. For refugees, largely perceived by the regime as traitors, this increases their risk of permanent exile. It will allow the regime to consolidate its power base by repopulating strategic areas with regime loyalists. This places the residents of informal settlements in major cities at risk of further dispossession. This may remove any potential source of future resistance for good.”

The effects of the proposed law were widely discussed at an EU-UN donor conference in Brussels this week. On the sidelines of the summit, which concluded with close to a $5bn shortfall in aid pledges, officials from both sides said there was an increasing understanding in Europe that many of the estimated 1.5 million Syrians now on the continent were not going home.

“This is the nail in the coffin for them,” said a senior EU official. “This is blatant power consolidation by Assad. It is punitive, not regulatory. Make no mistake. On the one hand, it is normal to do something like this after a natural disaster like an earthquake. But not now. And not like this. The war is still raging and metastasising. It’s not anywhere near over.”

A perception that the war is winding down, coupled with conflict fatigue, has dampened the appetite of potential donors and made a political settlement ever more elusive.

With robust backing from Russia and Iran, Assad has been manoeuvred into a winning position in key parts of the battlefield, including in Damascus, where Syrian and Russian forces continued an assault on the Yarmouk Palestinian camp on Thursday.

In response to the latest clashes, the UNRWA commissioner general, Pierre Krähenbühl, said: “Yarmouk and its inhabitants have endured indescribable pain and suffering over years of conflict. We are deeply concerned about the fate of thousands of civilians, including Palestine refugees, after more than a week of dramatically increased violence.”

In northern and southern Syria, regime offensives have yet to fully begin. The conflict in both areas has morphed numerous times and, even with bedrock support from Tehran and Moscow, regaining full control of the country any time soon is seen as an unlikely proposition.

Nadim Shehadi, the director of the Fares Centre for Eastern Mediterranean Studies at Tufts University in the US, said the full effect of the property law remained unclear. “Much will depend on implementation. This could be ethnic cleansing by stealth, not dissimilar to absentee laws we have seen before,” he said.

“In Lebanon we had a similar law in the rebuilding of the Nahr al-Bared camp, which was destroyed in 2007 by the Lebanese army in a fight with a terrorist group called Fath al-Islam. There were illegal constructions in contravention to zoning and building regulations and unclear property rights with complicated compensation regimes.”

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