Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

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Zuper

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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Zuper on Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:26 pm

Pre bih rekao da je to pritisak/pretnja prema Turcima nego da ce stvarno povuci.
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by MNE on Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:46 pm

kako je pritisak ako kaže evo povlačim se pa mož da radite šta oćete?
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Ointagru Unartan on Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:50 pm

MNE wrote:kako je pritisak ako kaže evo povlačim se pa mož da radite šta oćete?

Upravo. Njihovo prisustvo bila je jedina prepreka turskoj invaziji ostatka teritorije koju kontrolisu Kurdi.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by KinderLad on Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:58 pm



  • President Trump, saying ISIS was largely defeated, ordered a rapid withdrawal of all 2,000 U.S. ground troops within 30 days, officials said.

  • Top generals are against withdrawing, saying it would betray Kurdish allies who have fought alongside American troops there.




Do koje mere su oni u stanju da sjebu svoju politiku na bliskom istoku i sve u vezi sa njom...
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Gargantua on Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:04 pm

što bi rekao ves mičel izlažući novu američku spoljnu politiku u evropi:

https://ee.usembassy.gov/a-s-mitchells-speech/
We are working determinedly to stabilize the relationship with Turkey and keep it on a Western strategic track. A permanent breach in this relationship would do multi-generational damage to U.S. national security. On a long-term basis, Turkey is the only country in the region with the throw weight to counterbalance Iran. It is a NATO ally with legitimate security concerns – including many that we share – that we must help it address.

kurdi su demode
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by MNE on Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:06 pm

zažaliće sad dobro za svaki metak koji su ispalili ka SAA...
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Ointagru Unartan on Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:17 pm

Ameri su ispali nevidjene pizde. Kurde su prvo Rusi izdali (kada su se povukli iz Efrina), sada i Ameri. Jedino preostalo zapadno prisustvo tamo su francuske specijalne snage, a ako su Kurdi spali na to da ih Francuzi brane, crno im se pise.


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Post by Gargantua on Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:18 pm

pa promenile su se okolnosti 
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by bjesomučje on Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:38 pm

Ointagru Unartan wrote:Ameri su ispali nevidjene pizde

malo je reci

https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1075450512298950663

It's been a whirlwind few months for #America's ally in #Syria, the #PYD/#YPG/#SDF.

In late-July, it opened exploratory talks with #Assad regime in #Damascus.

In Sept-Oct, those talks with #Assad were ended, after heavy pressure from newly appointed US Envoy, Amb. Jeffrey.


#pt: After being convinced to remain 100% on-side with the U.S., the #SDF planned to send its most senior political official to #Washington in November.


Why? To pitch the #SDF as #America's partner against #Iran in #Syria.

Then #Turkey shelling led to that trip's cancellation.



#pt: Now, in mid-December, the #SDF - and in particular, the Kurdish #PYD/#YPG - looks set to be 'thrown to the fire,' set right within #Turkey's targets.

= Expect the #PYD to re-engage #Assad now, in the hope of staving off a Turkish offensive green-lighted by #Damascus.
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Post by KinderLad on Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:07 pm

Gargantua wrote:što bi rekao ves mičel izlažući novu američku spoljnu politiku u evropi:

https://ee.usembassy.gov/a-s-mitchells-speech/
We are working determinedly to stabilize the relationship with Turkey and keep it on a Western strategic track. A permanent breach in this relationship would do multi-generational damage to U.S. national security. On a long-term basis, Turkey is the only country in the region with the throw weight to counterbalance Iran. It is a NATO ally with legitimate security concerns – including many that we share – that we must help it address.

kurdi su demode

Ne, naravno, problem je sto je polazna premisa (u crvenom) glupost in the first place.
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by KinderLad on Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:10 pm

bjesomučje wrote:
Ointagru Unartan wrote:Ameri su ispali nevidjene pizde

malo je reci

https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1075450512298950663

It's been a whirlwind few months for #America's ally in #Syria, the #PYD/#YPG/#SDF.

In late-July, it opened exploratory talks with #Assad regime in #Damascus.

In Sept-Oct, those talks with #Assad were ended, after heavy pressure from newly appointed US Envoy, Amb. Jeffrey.


#pt: After being convinced to remain 100% on-side with the U.S., the #SDF planned to send its most senior political official to #Washington in November.


Why? To pitch the #SDF as #America's partner against #Iran in #Syria.

Then #Turkey shelling led to that trip's cancellation.



#pt: Now, in mid-December, the #SDF - and in particular, the Kurdish #PYD/#YPG - looks set to be 'thrown to the fire,' set right within #Turkey's targets.

= Expect the #PYD to re-engage #Assad now, in the hope of staving off a Turkish offensive green-lighted by #Damascus.

A nije daleko ni Iran. Jedino iole pametno sto mi pada na pamet je da stave Ruse u rebus. Ali to je malo too far-fetched.
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Gargamel on Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:19 pm

Gargantua wrote:pa promenile su se okolnosti 
mda... IS je potučen, pa Ameri i nemaju neki interes da se muvaju tuda. to što će im dojučerašnji saveznici zameriti i nije neki problem, kredibilitet je ionako precenjena kategorija.

mada, izgleda da će bloberi pokušati da potkopaju ovu odluku. https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-officials-try-to-slow-trumps-everybody-out-of-syria-order
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by KinderLad on Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:29 pm

Nadam se da ce uspeti, mada nisam optimista
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Post by KinderLad on Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:31 pm

Aha, ok.

https://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/svet.php?yyyy=2018&mm=12&dd=19&nav_id=1484149
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by KinderLad on Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:23 pm

BREAKING NEWS
President Vladimir Putin of Russia praised President Trump’s plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria, calling it “the right decision.”

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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Gargamel on Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:38 pm

KinderLad wrote:Nadam se da ce uspeti, mada nisam optimista
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075878792168685568
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Creepy Uncle on Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:43 pm

@realDonaldTrump

Syria's Assad, with whom I had a telephone convo earlier today, is a GREAT GUY!  USA-Syria summit planned for next year, with hope to bring lasting peace to Syria and beyond.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by KinderLad on Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:00 am

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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by KinderLad on Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:01 am

Gargamel wrote:
KinderLad wrote:Nadam se da ce uspeti, mada nisam optimista
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075878792168685568

rekao sam da nisam optimista
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Gargantua on Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:18 am

Sad kad krenu da pljušte panegirici i ludovanje
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Post by Santino on Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:58 am

najbolji predsednik ikad.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Utvara on Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:16 pm

Gargantua wrote:Sad kad krenu da pljušte panegirici i ludovanje
Napašće ga na CNNu 100%, očekujem odgovor ratobornih jastrebova. Prvenstveno Demokrata. 

Levica i Sandersovo krilo će umereno slaviti.
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:58 pm

ma da. popravljaju odnose sa sultanom. bice igra rusija, ameri, turci, izrael protiv irana i kine za par godina. neka se spreme zuperovi bokseri.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Gargantua on Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:26 pm

https://apnews.com/ec2ed217357048ff998225a31534df12

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Trump stunned his Cabinet, lawmakers and much of the world with the move by rejecting the advice of his top aides and agreeing to a withdrawal in a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan last week, two U.S. officials and a Turkish official briefed on the matter told The Associated Press.
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Pompeo, Mattis and other members of the national security team prepared a list of talking points for Trump to tell Erdogan to back off, the officials said.

But the officials said Trump, who had previously accepted such advice and convinced the Turkish leader not to attack the Kurds and put U.S. troops at risk, ignored the script. Instead, the president sided with Erdogan.


In the following days, Trump remained unmoved by those scrambling to convince him to reverse or at least delay the decision to give the military and Kurdish forces time to prepare for an orderly withdrawal.

“The talking points were very firm,” said one of the officials, explaining that Trump was advised to clearly oppose a Turkish incursion into northern Syria and suggest the U.S. and Turkey work together to address security concerns. “Everybody said push back and try to offer (Turkey) something that’s a small win, possibly holding territory on the border, something like that.”

Erdogan, though, quickly put Trump on the defensive, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason for U.S. troops to be in Syria was to defeat the Islamic State and that the group had been 99 percent defeated. “Why are you still there?” the second official said Erdogan asked Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining IS militants.

With Erdogan on the line, Trump asked national security adviser John Bolton, who was listening in, why American troops remained in Syria if what the Turkish president was saying was true, according to the officials. Erdogan’s point, Bolton was forced to admit, had been backed up by Mattis, Pompeo, U.S. special envoy for Syria Jim Jeffrey and special envoy for the anti-ISIS coalition Brett McGurk, who have said that IS retains only 1 percent of its territory, the officials said.

Bolton stressed, however, that the entire national security team agreed that victory over IS had to be enduring, which means more than taking away its territory.

Trump was not dissuaded, according to the officials, who said the president quickly capitulated by pledging to withdraw, shocking both Bolton and Erdogan.

Caught off guard, Erdogan cautioned Trump against a hasty withdrawal, according to one official. While Turkey has made incursions into Syria in the past, it does not have the necessary forces mobilized on the border to move in and hold the large swaths of northeastern Syria where U.S. troops are positioned, the official said.

The call ended with Trump repeating to Erdogan that the U.S. would pull out, but offering no specifics on how it would be done, the officials said.
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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Gargamel on Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:30 pm

Utvara wrote:Levica i Sandersovo krilo će umereno slaviti.
https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/1076159669540814848

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