Tursko leto - strukture saraja

No Country for Old Man wrote:Управо сам се пробудио, а и синоћ сам играо преферанс уместо да к'о човек туркујем - може ли какав сажетак последњих 15-16 сати, а да не морам да читам исто толико страница форума?

Istok Pavlovic
12 mins · Belgrade ·

Šta se zapravo desilo u Turskoj - ovo sam bukvalno danas ukapirao. Koga mrzi da čita sto tekstova i ne zna Tursku noviju istoriju - evo u najkraćem:
Pre 100 godina Turska je bila Islamska država - to znači da je zakon bio ono što piše u Kuranu. Onda se pojavio čuveni vojskovođa Ataturk (na slici), koji je došao na vlast i reformisao Tursku iz korena. Izbacio je Islam i pretvorio je državu u sekularnu (religija nema nikakav uticaj na zakone). Uveo je zakone kao u Evropi, jednaka prava za žene, zabranjeno da imaš harem, odeća kao evropska i tako dalje.
Ataturk je zbog ovoga u Turskoj postao legenda, bog otac, nešto kao što je kod nas bio Tito svojevremeno. Svaka glavna ulica u svakom gradu nosi njegovo ime, a i dan danas je zakonom zabranjeno da pričaš bilo šta protiv njegovih ideja. Na primer, 2007 je Turska privremeno banovala YouTube, jer je neki ludi Grk uploadovao klip koji pljuje po Ataturku. Sama reč "Ataturk" je nadimak i znači "otac Turske".
Sad ide bitan deo: Da bi zaštitio svoje reforme, Ataturk je tokom svoje vladavine izgradio jaku vojsku. Osnovni zadatak ove vojske bio je da štiti njegove tekovine i posle njegove smrti, i da ne dozvoli da se Islam vrati u državu. Zbog toga je čak uveden i član 35 Zakona o oružanim snagama, koji praktično daje vosjci pun legitimitet da izvrši puč, ukoliko proceni da je neka nova vlast u Turskoj počela previše da naginje nazad u Islam i religiju.
To je osnovni razlog zašto je u Turskoj do sada bilo nekoliko vojnih pučeva, uključujući i ovaj juče.
Turski predsednik Erdogan je zapravo na početku karijere bio zagriženi Islamista. Išao je na robiju 1999. zbog podsticanja verske netolerancije, i bilo mu je zabranjeno da se bavi politikom. Onda se kao reformisao, postao neki konzervativni demokrata i došao na vlast. Ali i dalje ga razni optužuju da je Islamista, čak ima nekih dokaza da tajno pomaže ljude iz ISIS-a. Nešto kao što je Toma Nikolić nekad bio četnik, a sad je kao za Evropu, al' svi znamo da mu je srce u Rusiji.
To bi bilo to u najkraćem.

Istok wrote:Onda se pojavio čuveni vojskovođa Ataturk (na slici)

Ванредно или неко слично стање (редовно свакако не може бити, а могуће је да следи оно што и у неким другим арапским земљама) које чека Турску – значи пре свега додатно ограничавање људских права и слобода, значајно сузбијање демократије и осталих достигнућа модерног света. Тако нешто, следствено, омогућава актуелним властима појачавање репресије и наставак раније усвојене стратегије, како на унутрашњем плану – сузбијање и застрашивање политичких противника и хомогенизацију већине становништва, тако и (посебно) у спољној политици – Сирија, Курди, Блиски исток и припреме за реализацију главног циља, а то је удар на Русију, тачно на платформи управо завршеног Варшавског самита НАТО.

fikret selimbašić wrote: Vjerovatno se Avaz malo razmaho pa usisava što stigne ne bi li nekako namako te milione.

Radagast wrote:

fikret selimbašić wrote: Vjerovatno se Avaz malo razmaho pa usisava što stigne ne bi li nekako namako te milione.

Ne mora da namacinje, 79M je populacija Turske.

The statement said; “There has been a coup attempt by persons whose identity and purpose is yet not clear. This attempt comes just before the military council meeting, where Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was reportedly going to assign generals close to himself to the army's top tier. Another striking dimension of the coup attempt is that it comes at a time when discussions about the fascist AKP government's foreign policy, were taking place.”
Coup attempt is proof of lack of democracy
The statement by KCK reads; “No matter within which internal and external political factors and focuses, and for what reasons a power struggle is waged, this case is not a matter of defending or being against democracy. On the contrary, this situation is the proof of lack of democracy in Turkey. Such power struggles and attempts to seize power are witnessed in undemocratic countries where an authoritarian power makes coup attempts to overthrow another authoritarian power when conditions are appropriate. This is what has happened in Turkey.
A coup was staged on 7 June
A year ago, Erdoğan and the Palace Gladio (Erdoğan's secret force), alongside the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), all fascist circles, nationalist military powers (Ergenekon) and a part of the army, staged a coup. This was a palace (Erdoğan) coup against the democratic will of the people [which voted in the HDP and left the AKP short of a majority]. AKP fascism allied itself with all the fascist powers and a part of the army including the Chief of Staff in order to suppress the Kurdish Freedom Movement and democratic forces. The AKP's fascism drove the army into Kurdish cities and towns, made them burn cities to the ground and massacre hundreds of civilians. Recently it has passed new laws that have give immunity to state forces, preventing trial for the crimes they have committed. In this way the AKP has become a government that has legitimised and made legal the military's tutelage over democratic politics and society.
Coup attempt from one military faction against another
There was already military tutelage in Turkey before yesterday's coup attempt; which makes the attempt a coup by one military faction against the existing one. This is why a section of the military has taken sides with Erdoğan, because there is already military tutelage in Turkey.
The fact that the MHP and chauvinistic nationalist circles took sides with the Palace Gladio (Erdogan) and its fascist allies reveals quite clearly that this is not an incident of struggle between those siding with democracy and those standing against it.
Portraying Erdoğan democratic is dangerous
Portraying Erdoğan and the fascist AKP dictatorship as if they were democratic after this coup attempt is an approach even more dangerous than the coup attempt itself. Portraying the fight for power among authoritarian, despotic and anti-democratic forces as a fight between the supporters and enemies of democracy will only serve to legitimise the existing fascist and despotic government.
Democracy forces do not side with either camp
Turkey does not have a civilian group in power, nor is this a struggle between democracy forces and putschists. The current fight is about who should lead the current political system, which is the enemy of democracy and the Kurdish people. Therefore, democracy forces do not side with either camp during these clashes.
The coup against democracy is the one carried out by the fascist AKP
If there is a coup against democracy, it is the one carried out by the fascist AKP government. The political power’s control over the judiciary, the implementation of fascist laws and policies through a parliamentarian majority, the removal of parliamentarians’ immunities, the arrest of co-mayors, the removal of co-mayors from their positions, and the imprisonment of thousands of politicians from the HDP and DBP constitute more of an actual coup. Kurdish people are under unprecedented genocidal, fascist, and colonialist attacks in Kurdistan.
AKP dragging Turkey into clashes
What has brought Turkey to this stage is the AKP government, which has transformed into a government of war against Kurdish people and the forces of democracy. With its monistic, hegemonic and anti-democratic character, it has kept Turkey in chaos and conflict. With its war against the Kurdish people and the forces of democracy, it has kept Turkey in a state of civil war. The latest coup attempt shows that Turkey needs to get rid of the fascist AKP government and have a democratic government. The recent developments make it urgent for Turkey to democratise and get rid of its monist, hegemonic and fascist government.
To sum up, the forces of democracy should confront the legitimisation of the fascist AKP government’s policies under the disguise of democracy, and create a democratic alliance that truly would democratise Turkey. This coup attempt makes it necessary for us to not slow down the struggle against the AKP's fascism but to enhance it so that chaos and clashes in Turkey come to an end and a new and democratic Turkey emerges."

William Murderface wrote:Turci optuzili US za puc. Ovo postaje ozbiljno.

Pokušao je da poleti iz baze u kojoj se nalazi 80 nuklearnih bojevih glava i nećete verovati šta su mu Turci rekli (ViDEO)

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Kinder Lad wrote:nije to za tebe ni pisano, to je za ove što nisu pročitali sto tekstova

Benny Lava wrote:

Kinder Lad wrote:nije to za tebe ni pisano, to je za ove što nisu pročitali sto tekstova

pa prva rečenica mu je netačna, Turska pre 100 godina nije postojala.

Kinder Lad wrote:Ataturka   (na slici)