Monsanto ordered to pay $289m as jury rules weedkiller caused man's cancer
Court finds in favor of Dewayne Johnson, first person to take Roundup maker to trial
Monsanto suffered a major blow with a jury ruling that the company was liable for a terminally ill man’s cancer, awarding him $289m in damages.
Dewayne Johnson, a 46-year-old former groundskeeper, won a huge victory in the landmark case on Friday, with the jury determining that Monsanto’s Roundup weedkiller caused his cancer and that the corporation failed to warn him of the health hazards from exposure. The jury further found that Monsanto “acted with malice or oppression”.
Johnson’s lawyers argued over the course of a month-long trial in San Francisco that Monsanto had “fought science” for years and targeted academics who spoke up about possible health risks of the herbicide product. Johnson was the first person to take the agrochemical corporation to trial over allegations that the chemical sold under the brand Roundup causes cancer.
In the extraordinary verdict, which Monsanto said it intends to appeal, the jury ruled that the company was responsible for “negligent failure” and knew or should have known that its product was “dangerous”.
“We were finally able to show the jury the secret, internal Monsanto documents proving that Monsanto has known for decades that ... Roundup could cause cancer,” Johnson’s lawyer Brent Wisner said in a statement. The verdict, he added, sent a “message to Monsanto that its years of deception regarding Roundup is over and that they should put consumer safety first over profits”.
Speaking in San Francisco on Friday, Johnson said that the jury’s verdict is far bigger than his lawsuit. He said he hopes the case bolsters the thousands of similar lawsuits pending against the company and brings national attention to the issue.
Johnson’s case was particularly significant because a judge allowed his team to present scientific arguments. The dispute centered on glyphosate, which is the world’s most widely used herbicide. The verdict came a month after a federal judge ruled that cancer survivors or relatives of the deceased could bring similar claims forward in another trial.
During the lengthy trial, the plaintiff’s attorneys brought forward internal emails from Monsanto executives that they said demonstrated how the corporation repeatedly ignored experts’ warnings, sought favorable scientific analyses and helped to “ghostwrite” research that encouraged continued usage.
Monsanto has long argued that Roundup is safe and not linked to cancer and presented studies during trial that countered the research and testimony submitted by Johnson’s team. The herbicide is registered in 130 countries and approved for use on more than 100 crops, but in 2015, the World Health Organization’s international agency for research on cancer (IARC) classified glyphosate as “probably carcinogenic to humans”, triggering a wave of legal and legislative challenges.
After the trial, Scott Partridge, the vice-president of Monsanto, rejected any link between glyphosate and cancer, insisting the “verdict doesn’t change the four-plus decades of safe use and science behind the product”.
Partridge said the IARC, whose evidence was key in persuading the jury of the link between glyphosate and cancer, “has been demonstrated as having been corrupted”, asserting the organisation does “no testing, they do no analysis, they have no laboratories, they simply render an opinion”.
Speaking to the BBC Radio 4’s Today show on Saturday, Partridge expressed sympathy for Johnson but continued to dispute the evidence used in the trial.
He said the internal company emails, which were used by Johnson’s attorney as evidence the agrochemical firm had rejected critical research and expert warnings about the weedkiller, had been “taken completely out of context”.
Johnson, 46, is a father of three who worked as a groundskeeper and pest manager for the school district in Benicia, a suburb just north of San Francisco. That position began in 2012, and he testified that it involved him spraying herbicide to control weeds on school grounds, sometimes for several hours a day.
He argued that his exposure to the chemicals caused non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL), a blood cell cancer, and when he took the stand, he discussed his pain and suffering as skin lesions took over his body.
“I’ve been going through a lot of pain,” Johnson, who goes by the name Lee, testified weeks earlier. “It really takes everything out of you … I’m not getting any better.”
He also testified that Monsanto should not have let him use the herbicide near schoolchildren, saying: “I never would’ve sprayed that product on school grounds or around people if I knew it would cause them harm.”
Johnson may have just months to live, according to his doctors. His wife testified that she has had to work two jobs, sometimes with 14-hour days, to help pay for the medical bills.
The financial award included past and future economic losses and punitive damages.
Another Roundup cancer trial is scheduled to begin in the fall in St Louis, Missouri. According to Johnson’s lawyers, Monsanto is facing more than 4,000 similar cases across the US.
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ontheotherhand wrote:Đe su ti boldovi Garg.
Каже се "Ђе су ти болдови, Гарже". За ово сам те погледао строго али са оптимизмом.
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И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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ontheotherhand wrote:Strog ali pravičan.
Трудио сам се да звучим као са те слике... мада има већ 30+ година откако сам одложио дневник у сошку.
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И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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https://gritpost.com/un-paper-capitalism/
UN Scientific Paper Suggests Capitalism Has to Die in Order for the Planet to Be Saved
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Branko Milanović je pre par godina napisao onako solidno naivan ekonomistički centričan tekst na temu, valjda je to klasika za ekonomiste. Čudi me da niko iz domaće prirodnjačke akademije ne objavljuje javne tekstove i ne organizuje debate oko toga.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/william-vollmann-carbon-ideologies/568309/
Authors like to flatter themselves by imagining for their work an “ideal reader,” a cherubic presence endowed with bottomless generosity, the sympathy of a parent, and the wisdom of, well, the authors themselves. In Carbon Ideologies, William T. Vollmann imagines for himself the opposite: a murderously hostile reader who sneers at his arguments, ridicules his feeblemindedness, scorns his pathetic attempts at ingratiation. Vollmann can’t blame this reader, whom he addresses regularly throughout Carbon Ideologies, because she lives in the future, under radically different circumstances—inhabiting a “hotter, more dangerous and biologically diminished planet.” He envisions her turning the pages of his climate-change opus within the darkened recesses of an underground cave in which she has sought shelter from the unendurable heat; the plagues, droughts, and floods; the methane fireballs racing across boiling oceans. Because the soil is radioactive, she subsists on insects and recycled urine, and regards with implacable contempt her ancestors, who, as Vollmann tells her, “enjoyed the world we possessed, and deserved the world we left you.”
Carbon Ideologies is a single work published in two parts, No Immediate Danger and No Good Alternative, the bifurcation due to the insistence of Vollmann’s weary publisher and the limitations of modern bookbinding. Of all the writers working today, Vollmann must be the most free: He writes fiction, essays, monographs, criticism, memoir, and history, usually merging several forms at once, taking on subjects as diverse as Japanese Noh theater, train hopping, and the Nez Perce War, all the while dilating to whatever length suits him. (After 25 books, his career word count now rivals Zane Grey’s.)
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The demand problem, the growth problem, the complexity problem, the cost-benefit problem, the industry problem, the political problem, the generational-delay problem, the denial problem—Vollmann scrupulously catalogs all the major unsolved problems that contribute to the colossus of climate change. “Whatever ‘solution’ I could have proposed in 2017,” he writes, “would have been found wanting before the oceans rose even one more inch!” (The title of a late chapter, “A Ray of Hope,” is to be read sarcastically.) Nor have his six years of traveling the world, tabulating data, and interviewing experts changed his mind about any major aspect of the issue. The reader who begins Carbon Ideologies hopeless will finish it hopeless. So will the hopeful reader.
But there exist other kinds of readers—those who do not read for advice or encouragement or comfort. Those who are sick of dishonesty crusading as optimism. Those who seek to understand human nature, and themselves. Because human nature is Vollmann’s true subject—as it must be. The story of climate change hangs on human behavior, not geophysics. Vollmann seeks to understand how “we could not only sustain, but accelerate the rise of atmospheric carbon levels, all the while expressing confusion, powerlessness and resentment.” Why did we take such insane risks? Could we have behaved any other way? Can we behave any other way? If not, what conclusions must we draw about our lives and our futures? Vollmann admits that even he has shied away from fully comprehending the damage we’ve done. “I had never loathed myself sufficiently to craft the punishment of full understanding,” he writes. “How could I? No one person could.” He’s right, though books like Carbon Ideologies will bring us closer.
The planet’s atmosphere will change but human nature won’t. Vollmann’s meager wish is for future readers to appreciate that they would have made the same mistakes we have. This might seem a humble ambition for a project of this scope, but only if you mistake Carbon Ideologies for a work of activism. Vollmann’s project is nothing so conventional. His “letter to the future” is a suicide note. He does not seek an intervention—only acceptance. If not forgiveness, then at least acceptance.
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mamu im jebem pohlepnu, nece da ostanu kod otvaranja butika pecenjara i kupujte stanove pa iznajmljujte, jebo vas ortak iz bosne teletovic. olos skrnavi
Među vlasnicima hidroelektrana u Srbiji su i bivši generalni sekretar Partizana Žarko Zečević i nekadašnji fudbaler tog kluba Stefan Babović
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Ajd polako da se privode poslovi kraju.....
We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN
Urgent changes needed to cut risk of extreme heat, drought, floods and poverty, says IPCC
The world’s leading climate scientists have warned there is only a dozen years for global warming to be kept to a maximum of 1.5C, beyond which even half a degree will significantly worsen the risks of drought, floods, extreme heat and poverty for hundreds of millions of people.
The authors of the landmark report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released on Monday say urgent and unprecedented changes are needed to reach the target, which they say is affordable and feasible although it lies at the most ambitious end of the Paris agreement pledge to keep temperatures between 1.5C and 2C.
The half-degree difference could also prevent corals from being completely eradicated and ease pressure on the Arctic, according to the 1.5C study, which was launched after approval at a final plenary of all 195 countries in Incheon in South Korea that saw delegates hugging one another, with some in tears.
“It’s a line in the sand and what it says to our species is that this is the moment and we must act now,” said Debra Roberts, a co-chair of the working group on impacts. “This is the largest clarion bell from the science community and I hope it mobilises people and dents the mood of complacency.”
Policymakers commissioned the report at the Paris climate talks in 2016, but since then the gap between science and politics has widened. Donald Trump has promised to withdraw the US – the world’s biggest source of historical emissions – from the accord. The first round of Brazil’s presidential election on Sunday put Jair Bolsonaro into a strong position to carry out his threat to do the same and also open the Amazon rainforest to agribusiness.
The world is currently 1C warmer than preindustrial levels. Following devastating hurricanes in the US, record droughts in Cape Town and forest fires in the Arctic, the IPCC makes clear that climate change is already happening, upgraded its risk warning from previous reports, and warned that every fraction of additional warming would worsen the impact.
Scientists who reviewed the 6,000 works referenced in the report, said the change caused by just half a degree came as a revelation. “We can see there is a difference and it’s substantial,” Roberts said.
At 1.5C the proportion of the global population exposed to water stress could be 50% lower than at 2C, it notes. Food scarcity would be less of a problem and hundreds of millions fewer people, particularly in poor countries, would be at risk of climate-related poverty.
At 2C extremely hot days, such as those experienced in the northern hemisphere this summer, would become more severe and common, increasing heat-related deaths and causing more forest fires.
But the greatest difference would be to nature. Insects, which are vital for pollination of crops, and plants are almost twice as likely to lose half their habitat at 2C compared with 1.5C. Corals would be 99% lost at the higher of the two temperatures, but more than 10% have a chance of surviving if the lower target is reached.
Sea-level rise would affect 10 million more people by 2100 if the half-degree extra warming brought a forecast 10cm additional pressure on coastlines. The number affected would increase substantially in the following centuries due to locked-in ice melt.
Oceans are already suffering from elevated acidity and lower levels of oxygen as a result of climate change. One model shows marine fisheries would lose 3m tonnes at 2C, twice the decline at 1.5C.
Sea ice-free summers in the Arctic, which is warming two to three times fast than the world average, would come once every 100 years at 1.5C, but every 10 years with half a degree more of global warming.
Time and carbon budgets are running out. By mid-century, a shift to the lower goal would require a supercharged roll-back of emissions sources that have built up over the past 250 years.
The IPCC maps out four pathways to achieve 1.5C, with different combinations of land use and technological change. Reforestation is essential to all of them as are shifts to electric transport systems and greater adoption of carbon capture technology.
Carbon pollution would have to be cut by 45% by 2030 – compared with a 20% cut under the 2C pathway – and come down to zero by 2050, compared with 2075 for 2C. This would require carbon prices that are three to four times higher than for a 2C target. But the costs of doing nothing would be far higher.
Reversing these trends is essential if the world has any chance of reaching 1.5C without relying on the untried technology of solar radiation modification and other forms of geo-engineering, which could have negative consequences.
In the run-up to the final week of negotiations, there were fears the text of the report would be watered down by the US, Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich countries that are reluctant to consider more ambitious cuts. The authors said nothing of substance was cut from a text.
Bob Ward, of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change, said the final document was “incredibly conservative” because it did not mention the likely rise in climate-driven refugees or the danger of tipping points that could push the world on to an irreversible path of extreme warming.
“We have presented governments with pretty hard choices. We have pointed out the enormous benefits of keeping to 1.5C, and also the unprecedented shift in energy systems and transport that would be needed to achieve that,” said Jim Skea, a co-chair of the working group on mitigation. “We show it can be done within laws of physics and chemistry. Then the final tick box is political will. We cannot answer that. Only our audience can – and that is the governments that receive it.”
He said the main finding of his group was the need for urgency. Although unexpectedly good progress has been made in the adoption of renewable energy, deforestation for agriculture was turning a natural carbon sink into a source of emissions. Carbon capture and storage projects, which are essential for reducing emissions in the concrete and waste disposal industries, have also ground to a halt.
The report will be presented to governments at the UN climate conference in Poland at the end of this year. But analysts say there is much work to be done, with even pro-Paris deal nations involved in fossil fuel extraction that runs against the spirit of their commitments. Britain is pushing ahead with gas fracking, Norway with oil exploration in the Arctic, and the German government wants to tear down Hambach forest to dig for coal.
At the current level of commitments, the world is on course for a disastrous 3C of warming. The report authors are refuseing to accept defeat, believing the increasingly visible damage caused by climate change will shift opinion their way.
“I hope this can change the world,” said Jiang Kejun of China’s semi-governmental Energy Research Institute, who is one of the authors. “Two years ago, even I didn’t believe 1.5C was possible but when I look at the options I have confidence it can be done. I want to use this report to do something big in China.”
The timing was good, he said, because the Chinese government was drawing up a long-term plan for 2050 and there was more awareness among the population about the problem of rising temperatures. “People in Beijing have never experienced so many hot days as this summer. It’s made them talk more about climate change.”
Regardless of the US and Brazil, he said, China, Europe and major cities could push ahead. “We can set an example and show what can be done. This is more about technology than politics.”
James Hansen, the former Nasa scientist who helped raised the alarm about climate change, said both 1.5C and 2C would take humanity into uncharted and dangerous territory because they were both well above the Holocene-era range in which human civilisation developed. But he said there was a huge difference between the two: “1.5C gives young people and the next generation a fighting chance of getting back to the Holocene or close to it. That is probably necessary if we want to keep shorelines where they are and preserve our coastal cities.”
Johan Rockström, a co-author of the recent Hothouse Earth report, said scientists never previously discussed 1.5C, which was initially seen as a political concession to small island states. But he said opinion had shifted in the past few years along with growing evidence of climate instability and the approach of tipping points that might push the world off a course that could be controlled by emissions reductions.
“Climate change is occurring earlier and more rapidly than expected. Even at the current level of 1C warming, it is painful,” he told the Guardian. “This report is really important. It has a scientific robustness that shows 1.5C is not just a political concession. There is a growing recognition that 2C is dangerous.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report
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Pa, nije se on baš prvi dosetio toga. Mislim, postoje knjige o tome i čitav buljuk stručne literature na tu temu.
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ma naravno, ovde je akcenat na mhe, jer se ostali izvori kod nas ni ne razmatraju, a hidrocentrale se prave bez ikakvih studija uticaja, samo da se napuni ona zahtevana kvota propisana od eu, bez obzira kakvu stetu ce to napraviti kompletnim oblastima gde se reke guraju u cevi. ekonomski faktor je tu najzajebaniji, tako dobijenu struju prodaju po povlascenoj ceni eps-u, a period povrata svih ulaganja je svega 4-5 godina, tako da su svi odusevljeni, i investitori i banke koje finansiraju.
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Sve što mogu da nađem (ovako na brzinu, moram da idem za 2 minuta) - uvek ispada da je hydro power znatno manje life cycle GHG emisije... npr. kao na ovom grafu (ostalo je slično.) PS. Moguće je da ima i drugačijih podataka, pogledaću kasnije detaljnije.
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Nadjoh skoru (2015) dosta opsežnu kanadsku studiju (PDF) koja se bavi ekološkim impaktom miksova glavnih formi energije (ceo life cycle). Posmatraju miks energetike bazirane na fosilnim gorivima vs obnovljivim, uključujući i hidro. Pritom idu baš u detalje, recimo metale koji se koriste u infrakstrukturi svakog tipa proizvodnje energije. Daleko bolje stoji miks obnovljivih (otprilike 2x manja proizvodnja GHG.) Potreba za materijalima je takođe ispala da je veća u konvencionalnoj proizvodnji energije. Hidroenergija se lošije kotira u pogledu korišćenja zemljišta, na nivou fosilnih izvora energije. (Ova studija ne gleda ekonomsku, već prevashodno ekološku stranu.)
Sa ekonomske strane, postoji ovaj članak iz Forbesa (2012), gde spominje i hidroenergiju. (Otad je prošlo 6 godina, generalno su cene za vetar/solarnu energiju dosta pale od onda.) Tekst iz Forbesa uzima u obzir i subvencije (naravno, ovo će se razlikovati između različitih država.) Hidroenergija po tome dosta dobro stoji:
Koliko sam uspeo da vidim, oni ne uključuju ekološke efekte tj. "eksternalitete" (to bi sigurno pomerilo balans u korist renewables.) Ovo je čisto ekonomska analiza (mada mislim da ni tu nema svih faktora, kao što i pominje u članku, sitnim slovima.) Forbes, kao magazin, generalno (i u novijim člancima) gura nuclear.
Ovaj članak iz The Conversation (2017) specifično poredi ugalj i vetar (kao izvore energije). Energija iz uglja je, po tome, još uvek jeftinija of one iz vetra, ali samo ako se radi o postojećim kapacitetima; ako se radi o novogradnji (tj. kapacitetima koji će tek biti izgrađeni), onda je vetar nešto jeftini (cena je približna u ovom trenutku, ali vetar svakao stoji znantno bolje sa čisto ekološke strane.) Sve u svemu, trenutna situacija na ovom planu je "nerešeno".
U pogledu bliske budućnosti (naredna decenija), očekuje se da će se postojeće razlike u cenama manje-više nivelizovati. (Pod cenom mislim na ukupni "life cycle", dakle kompletnu cenu.) CSIRO (Australijski Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation) ovde ima web stranicu sa detaljima u vezi toga (skorašnji podaci.) Oni zaključuju:
Sve u svemu, energetski miks će morati da se pomera ka obnovljivim izvorima energije. Kao što gornji link iz Forbesa "optimistički" pominje, zalihe fosilnih goriva su još uvek velike (možda ne baš "velike", ali ima ih za ceo ovaj vek i svakako su veće nego što bismo želeli da iskoristimo). Dosta je jadno da ono što je trebalo da bude "sjajna budućnost" (u kojoj sada živimo) i dalje baziramo na kompresovanom drveću iz paleozoika.
(Elem, apropo originalnog komentara, poenta je bila da to o čemu piše Prof. dr Branislav Đorđević su komparativne studije celog životnog ciklusa različitih oblika proizvodnje energije i na tome se masovno radi, već decenijama. "Zablude" svakako postoje, ali nisu u domenu stručnjaka, nego eventualno medija i nekih aktivista.)
CCS- Carbon Capture & StorageOur analysis suggests that an electricity supply system with a high share of wind energy, solar energy, and hydropower would lead to lower environmental impacts than a system with a high share of CCS.
Sa ekonomske strane, postoji ovaj članak iz Forbesa (2012), gde spominje i hidroenergiju. (Otad je prošlo 6 godina, generalno su cene za vetar/solarnu energiju dosta pale od onda.) Tekst iz Forbesa uzima u obzir i subvencije (naravno, ovo će se razlikovati između različitih država.) Hidroenergija po tome dosta dobro stoji:
Koliko sam uspeo da vidim, oni ne uključuju ekološke efekte tj. "eksternalitete" (to bi sigurno pomerilo balans u korist renewables.) Ovo je čisto ekonomska analiza (mada mislim da ni tu nema svih faktora, kao što i pominje u članku, sitnim slovima.) Forbes, kao magazin, generalno (i u novijim člancima) gura nuclear.
Ovaj članak iz The Conversation (2017) specifično poredi ugalj i vetar (kao izvore energije). Energija iz uglja je, po tome, još uvek jeftinija of one iz vetra, ali samo ako se radi o postojećim kapacitetima; ako se radi o novogradnji (tj. kapacitetima koji će tek biti izgrađeni), onda je vetar nešto jeftini (cena je približna u ovom trenutku, ali vetar svakao stoji znantno bolje sa čisto ekološke strane.) Sve u svemu, trenutna situacija na ovom planu je "nerešeno".
U pogledu bliske budućnosti (naredna decenija), očekuje se da će se postojeće razlike u cenama manje-više nivelizovati. (Pod cenom mislim na ukupni "life cycle", dakle kompletnu cenu.) CSIRO (Australijski Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation) ovde ima web stranicu sa detaljima u vezi toga (skorašnji podaci.) Oni zaključuju:
By 2030 renewable energy sources such as solar and wind will cost a similar amount to fossils fuels such as coal and gas, thanks to falling technology costs
Sve u svemu, energetski miks će morati da se pomera ka obnovljivim izvorima energije. Kao što gornji link iz Forbesa "optimistički" pominje, zalihe fosilnih goriva su još uvek velike (možda ne baš "velike", ali ima ih za ceo ovaj vek i svakako su veće nego što bismo želeli da iskoristimo). Dosta je jadno da ono što je trebalo da bude "sjajna budućnost" (u kojoj sada živimo) i dalje baziramo na kompresovanom drveću iz paleozoika.
(Elem, apropo originalnog komentara, poenta je bila da to o čemu piše Prof. dr Branislav Đorđević su komparativne studije celog životnog ciklusa različitih oblika proizvodnje energije i na tome se masovno radi, već decenijama. "Zablude" svakako postoje, ali nisu u domenu stručnjaka, nego eventualno medija i nekih aktivista.)
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reka koju ubace u cev, tako da ostane 0 do 10 procenata vode u njenom koritu, utice ozbiljno na neposredno okruzenje. konkretno, selo kruscica u bosni ostaje npr bez vode ako se to desi, jer su svi podzemni izvori iz kojih crpe vodu kapilari recnog korita. takodje redukuje se i nestaje i flora i fauna unutar i oko korita reke. opet kazem kod nas je najveci problem, ne to sto se mhe planiraju, vec sto se apsolutno ne postuju kriterijumi odrzivog funkcionisanja.
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jos jedan tipican balkanski primer
http://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/gradane-ne-pitaju-kad-siluju-prirodu-1007565
http://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/gradane-ne-pitaju-kad-siluju-prirodu-1007565
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Hvala na linku. To je problem loše (ili nikakve) regulacije, ne znači da ne treba da se odvija transfer sa fosilnih na obnovljive izvore. Uopšte nisu sporni problemi koje je izneo prof. Đorđević, ali evo mogao bih neku paru da stavim da će kojekakvi tržištarci i libekovci da lajkuju njegov tekst (što, opet, ne znači automatski da je on u krivu...) Ali... Da.
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Indy wrote:Hvala na linku. To je problem loše (ili nikakve) regulacije, ne znači da ne treba da se odvija transfer sa fosilnih na obnovljive izvore. Uopšte nisu sporni problemi koje je izneo prof. Đorđević, ali evo mogao bih neku paru da stavim da će kojekakvi tržištarci i libekovci da lajkuju njegov tekst (što, opet, ne znači automatski da je on u krivu...) Ali... Da.
da, i naravno, ali ovi prostori trpe tipicno ocajnu tranziciju i tom segmentu.
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Re: Ekologija
Ma naravno, nije problem prelazak na obnovljive izbore sam po sebi, nego muljanje u srpskim uslovima. Konkretno sa tim mini hidro-elektranama, problem je što one proizvode vrlo malo energije, ekološka cena je vrlo visoka (uništava se nacionalni park na Staroj Planini, brojne endemske vrste i cela sela oko prirodnih izvora), a cela igra je u tome da brat Andrej i ekipica oko njega stanu prvi u red za izvlačenje para iz budžeta, tj za otkup struje.
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- Post n°275
Re: Ekologija
uh ovaj balkanski koncept mHe nema mnogo veze sa obnovljivošću izvora...za početak nema ih dovoljno da bi makar i načele osnovni model proizvodnje struje. one uglavnom postoje kao brz način za zaradu u uslovima hajdučije. bukvalno - pojedinac uništi reku da bi jedini imao koristi od nje. a čak i u slučaju većih, ozbiljnijih projekata, ne ide da se to radi bez javne rasprave i uzimanja u obzir ekoloških posledica.
inače meni su u ovim diskusijama o električnoj energiji nuklearne elektrane elephant in the living room. imali smo rešenje pred nosom jbt. zbog čega smo ga tačno napustili? zato što nam reč "nuklearno" zvuči strašno?
inače meni su u ovim diskusijama o električnoj energiji nuklearne elektrane elephant in the living room. imali smo rešenje pred nosom jbt. zbog čega smo ga tačno napustili? zato što nam reč "nuklearno" zvuči strašno?