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by Amelija Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:04 amsranje 
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evo odlican link za pracenje vesti.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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sudeći po podacima o putanji, ovo je jedna od najgadnijih nesreća o kojima sam ikada čitao. deset do petnaest minuta leta na maloj visini uz ogromne turbulencije. nadam se da su imali dekompresiju pre toga i da su bili bez svesti.
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izgleda da nisam u pravu...ovo je bio miran i kontrolisan let u teren, a gotovo sigurno su bili bez svesti usled prethodne dekompresije.
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jebote !
(Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder.
“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” an unnamed investigator told the Times. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”
“You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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yahoo news javlja:
Co-pilot of Germanwings flight began descent ‘intentionally'
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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a drzavni tuzilac za tri dana objavio sve sto je saznao. to je razlika izmedju drzave i govneta.
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burkholderia mallei wrote:a drzavni tuzilac za tri dana objavio sve sto je saznao. to je razlika izmedju drzave i govneta.
ne, to je covek mentol, u ovim istragama je dosta vazno da se prvo svi podaci sastave na gomilu i da se ne brza sa zakljuccima.
oni nisu jos ni sve delove aviona pokupili.
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objavljuju sve sto saznaju. ako je tacno ovo u vezi komunikacije kontrole sa avionom i audio snimcima iz kabine, verovatno im nece trebati svi delovi i tehnicka analiza. negde sam procitao btw da postoje pravila koja kazu da jedan pilot nikad ne ostaje sam u kabini, npr ako su dvojica pa jedan ode u klozet, clan posade bude tu sa drugim pilotom dok se onaj ne vrati.
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pa dobro, tuzilac je izneo podatak o trenutnom fokusu istrage na osnovu onog sto sad znamo. za sad dokazi izgledaju konkretno & pretty damning i podelio ih je sa javnoscu umesto da se spekulise o teorijama.
evo jedan zanimljiv detalj sa Lufhazine pressice:
evo jedan zanimljiv detalj sa Lufhazine pressice:
Winkelmann said earlier that there was an interruption to Lubitz’s training. Responding to a question, Winkelmann says he can’t shed any light on this and adds that it will be have to be investigated. In response to a question about people’s fears of planes after the crash, he insists that flying is the safest mode of transport.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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glede ostavljanja pilota samog u kabini
Spohr is asked whether Germanwings or Lufthansa protocols provide for a second member of the flight crew to be in the cockpit if one of the pilots leaves. He says that the company does not have such a protocol, that European regulations do not require it, and that he is not aware of any of the company’s competitors that have such a procedure.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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iskreno, da je bilo koja druga zemlja bila u pitanju bila - ne verujem da bi ovaj slucaj doveo do promena bezbednosne procedure i da bismo ubuduce u svakom momentu imali 2 osobe u kokpitu (stjuardesu ili treceg pilota), ali buduci da su ovo nemci, jarcace ih ova mogucnost gotovo sigurno.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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posto sam proveo ekstenzivan period vremena na njegovom FB-u stvarno nemam nista sumnjivo da prijavim. negde je i glupo ocekivati da bi se ista od tih namera ocitalo na FB ako vec postoje.
mislim, kao slusa VIVA gotik trens Schiller mit Heppner-a, ali to slusa i moja keva...
mislim, kao slusa VIVA gotik trens Schiller mit Heppner-a, ali to slusa i moja keva...
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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muslimani po svetu zato masovno prijavljuju da ga mediji ne nazivaju teroristom, ako je tacno da je namerno oborio avion, a da bi ga sigurno tako nazivali da se zvao muhamed.
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jbg ipak su ovde bili na tragu neceg
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kolko ja vidim, ovo je 90% depresija.
Winkelmann said earlier that there was an interruption to Lubitz’s training. Responding to a question, Winkelmann says he can’t shed any light on this and adds that it will be have to be investigated. In response to a question about people’s fears of planes after the crash, he insists that flying is the safest mode of transport.
Burnout-psychology
kolko ja vidim, ovo je 90% depresija.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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u jat-u su isli valjda svakih 6 meseci na razgovor sa psihologom gde su mehanicki ponavljali da je kod kuce sve ok i da se osecaju super. navodno je jednom prilikom psiholog djipio sa stolice i poceo da urla kako njega zena vara, da sljoka ko smuk i da mu mali ima sve keceve i da zeli da cuje od sada makar jedan problem od njih inace ce sve da ih prizemlji. njih = pilote.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Daj bre Ostape, ko jos ozbiljno shvata razgovore sa psiholozima; pa ni oni sami to ne rade.ostap bender wrote:u jat-u su isli valjda svakih 6 meseci na razgovor sa psihologom gde su mehanicki ponavljali da je kod kuce sve ok i da se osecaju super. navodno je jednom prilikom psiholog djipio sa stolice i poceo da urla kako njega zena vara, da sljoka ko smuk i da mu mali ima sve keceve i da zeli da cuje od sada makar jedan problem od njih inace ce sve da ih prizemlji. njih = pilote.
A na stranu to sto nema ni govora o tome da se u svetskom civilnom vazduhoplovstvu ustroji/uvede sistem koji ce da psihologu/psihijatru da prepusti odlucivanje, i to na svakih nekoliko meseci, da li ce kadar kakav je visoko specijalizovani civilni pilot da bude doveden u situaciji da bude prizemljen/odzemljen metodama na taj nacin.
Takozvano fizicko zdravlje/spremnost po merljivim i zadatim parametrima - da.
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ma prepricavam anegdotu. inace mislim da ti razgovori nisu besmisleni. cak ni kada se na njima laze.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Nije stvar u laganju ili nelaganju, stvar je u tome da se sistemi da je tako nazovem komandno tehnoloske odgovornosti ne mogu da oslone na tu vrstu procene, bas kao sto to ne mogu ni visoko pozicionirani menadzeri, politicari, itd, itd...ostap bender wrote:ma prepricavam anegdotu. inace mislim da ti razgovori nisu besmisleni. cak ni kada se na njima laze.
To je maltretiranje za sitnu korporativnu i radnicku boraniju, za crnce, mada ni za njih nisam siguran da se, delom barem, ne radi o jos jednom sredstvu kojim sistem obezbedjuje poslusnost.
Za pilote, civilne, vojne takodje, ali nesto manje - tek su kod njih moguce itekakve manipulacije - tako nesto jednostavno nije moguce, cak ni u obliku neobaveznih posmatranja/razgovora/davanja misljenja.
Nije moguce za njih, bas kao ni za zapovednike trgovackih brodova koji sa teretom vrede kao desetine putnickih aviona, ni za zapovednike velikih brodova za krstarenje.
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ne ulazeci u stvari oko pilotiranja, suicidalna depresija je nesto sto bi se moglo videti na redovnim proverama.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Da me pogresno ne razumesostap bender wrote:ne ulazeci u stvari oko pilotiranja, suicidalna depresija je nesto sto bi se moglo videti na redovnim proverama.
, sama lakoca kojom koristis/koristimo izraze kao sto je suicidalna depresija, dovoljno govori o neodredjenosti dijagnoze, ako je uopste rec o dijagnozi.Da ne pominjem mogucnosti zloupotrebe, greske, itd, itd: sve i da se sa razumnom sigurnoscu moze da kvantifikuje, ostao bi golem zadatak da se takve stvari uvedu u (neki) standard.
Bojim se da se nismo razumeli, ja sam jasno naglasio nivoe moguce/dozvoljene primene dostignuca savremene psihologije/medicine na tom planu, a nema sumnje da ce se na tome poraditi jos onoliko: problem je pretezna drustvena uslovljenost materije i tu je kraj svake price o testiranjima i razgovorima na temu profesija koje sam pomenuo.
Uostalom, politicar sa suicidalnom depresijom jos uvek moze da bude (dobar) politicar; steta koju on eventualno moze da nanese je mnogo veca od 100-ak ljudi pobijenih u par minuta.
Zajebano: za pilota lovca, na primer, mozes da trazis nivo agresivnosti i prenaglasene individualnosti, ono 'ja pa ja i samo ja' u meri koja bi se bilo gde u drustvu smatrala nedopustivom, krajnje nepozeljnom, za linijske pilote neke sasvim suprotne osobine, a sustina problema je u nemogucnosti da se iz sistema - o kom kod se sistemu radilo - izbaci covek kao - na srecu - nesavrsena naprava.
Sposobnost tog coveka da reaguje u ekstremnim situacijama ili da pukne kao ovaj Svaba nikad necemo moci da merimo.
I to je dobro.
J. Conrad, Typhoon wrote:Jukes thought, "This is no joke." While he was exchanging explanatory yells with his captain, a sudden lowering of the darkness came upon the night, falling before their vision like something palpable. It was as if the masked lights of the world had been turned down. Jukes was uncritically glad to have his captain at hand. It relieved him as though that man had, by simply coming on deck, taken most of the gale's weight upon his shoulders. Such is the prestige, the privilege, and the burden of command.Captain MacWhirr could expect no relief of that sort from any one on earth. Such is the loneliness of command.
It was impossible in Captain MacWhirr's case, for instance, to understand what under heaven could have induced that perfectly satisfactory son of a petty grocer in Belfast to run away to sea.
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http://news.aviation-safety.net/2015/03/26/list-of-aircraft-accidents-and-incidents-deliberately-caused-by-pilots/