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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jan 09, 2025 12:16 pm

    Bitno je znati prioritete na ovom svetu
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Jan 09, 2025 8:34 pm

    Ministar spoljnih poslova Izraela Gideon Sa'ar čestitao je danas Libanu na izboru Josepha Aouna za predsjednika poslije više od dvije godine tokom kojih je ta pozicija bila upražnjena u jeku političke krize.

    Sa'ar je na platformi X izrazio nadu da će izbor zapovjednika vojske doprinijeti jačanju stabilnosti, bolje budućnosti za Liban i njegove stanovnike i dobrosusjedske odnose.
    Aoun je imao podršku SAD-a, Saudijske Arabije i Francuske i njegov izbor smatra se preduslovom za puno povlačanje izraelske vojske iz južnog Libana poslije rata sa libanskim proiranskim Hezbollahom, prenose izraelski mediji.
    U svom prvom govoru poslije izbora Aoun je rekao libanskim poslanicima da će osigurati da država ima ekskluzivno pravo da nosi oružje.
    Njegove riječi smatraju se dijelom aluzije na arsenal Hezbollaha koji nije javno komentarisao izbor vojnog komandanta za predsjednika, prenose izraelski mediji izvještaje agencija.


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    Post by Del Cap Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:41 pm

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    Post by Del Cap Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:57 am

    Pošto genocidaš Džo nije hteo da se iscima da malo pritisne Izrael, ima ko hoće

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-13/ty-article/.premium/trumps-mideast-envoy-forced-netanyahu-to-accept-a-gaza-plan-he-repeatedly-rejected/00000194-615c-d4d0-a1f4-fbfdce850000

    Analysis | Trump's Mideast Envoy Forced Netanyahu to Accept a Gaza Plan He Repeatedly Rejected

    Israeli sources say that the involvement of the incoming U.S. administration, led by Trump's aggressive Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff, revived hostage talks with Hamas. While Netanyahu's propaganda machine claims that Trump has left him no choice, what happens inside his coalition will determine whether the prime minister approves the deal

    Last Friday evening, Steven Witkoff, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's Middle East envoy, called from Qatar to tell Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's aides that he would be coming to Israel the following afternoon. The aides politely explained that was in the middle of the Sabbath but that the prime minister would gladly meet him Saturday night.

    Witkoff's blunt reaction took them by surprise. He explained to them in salty English that Shabbat was of no interest to him. His message was loud and clear.
    Thus in an unusual departure from official practice, the prime minister showed up at his office for an official meeting with Witkoff, who then returned to Qatar to seal the deal.
    A week before Trump's inauguration, Jerusalem already sees a change in the rules of the game that has broken the deadlock in the hostage negotiations. Unusually, the outgoing Biden administration has let Witkoff lead the process, on the grounds that any obligations the United States undertakes will be incumbent on Trump, not on Biden.
    Witkoff is a Jewish real estate investor and developer who is close to Trump. He doesn't have the background of the kind of people who usually fill diplomatic roles. "Witkoff isn't a diplomat. He doesn't talk like a diplomat, he has no interest in diplomatic manners and diplomatic protocols," says a senior Israeli diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity. "He's a businessman who wants to reach a deal quickly and charges ahead unusually aggressively."

    In fact, Witkoff has forced Israel to accept a plan that Netanyahu had repeatedly rejected over the past half year. Hamas has not budged from its position that the hostages' freedom must be conditioned on the release of Palestinian prisoners (the easy part) and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza (the hard one). Netanyahu rejected this condition and thus was born the partial deal proposed by Egypt.
    Initially, the talk was of a limited humanitarian deal. More and more conditions were slowly appended until it grew into a much bigger proposal with clear outlines – a hostage release, new regional arrangements and full withdrawal. The Philadelphi Corridor, which Netanyahu last summer termed the bedrock of Israel's existence, is part of the deal. At Egypt's request, Israel will fully withdraw from it in the first phase.

    It's hard to know how Netanyahu feels about this aggressive behavior. While it provides an excuse he can give to his base, he may resent being dragged into an unwanted deal that will end the war and possibly lead to political upheaval at home.
    His propaganda machine is pushing the no-choice narrative that it's Trump. On Monday, laments began to be heard on Channel 14 that Trump isn't what we thought. "I'm surprised all the senior officials in the U.S. administration are saying the same thing," Yotam Zimri said on the Patriots program. "If this doesn't happen by the time Trump comes in, Hamas will understand what hell is. I don't understand the Israeli interest in at least not waiting for Trump." Yinon Magal answered," It's because Trump is pressing to do it! That's what's happening."
    Zimri: "So all his people have been lying – it's a big disappointment."
    Magal: "He talks about hell and in the meantime sends his envoy to sign a deal. It's a deal whose impact will be very difficult. That's the truth." He added that the last remaining hope is that Hamas will reject a deal: "A cabinet minister told me we need to pray again that God will harden Pharaoh's heart."

    Monday morning, another Netanyahu mouthpiece, Jacob Bardugo said, "The pressure Trump is exerting right now is not the kind that Israel expected from him. The pressure is the essence of the matter."
    Despite this, the ball remains in Netanyahu's court, and no one can be sure what he will decide at the last minute.
    Monday afternoon, he briefed Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir. Ben-Gvir will vote against any deal, no question. Winning populist votes in the next election in his calculations trumps saving lives. When Smotrich left the meeting with the prime minister, he sounded thoughtful. Those who spoke to him Monday got the impression that he thought it was a good deal.
    But by noon he announced that it was a catastrophe that Israel should not agree to. Smotrich's statement, however, didn't address the critical issue, namely whether he regards it as a reason to quit the coalition. If he does leave, he will drag Ben-Gvir with him, and the government will fall. If he simply opposes the deal, his opposition will be meaningless – just airtime on radio shows.
    This question is linked with another one, whether Netanyahu can pass the 2025 budget and better ensure the survival of the coalition, in light of the crisis over the Haredi draft law and the internecine struggle in the ultra-Orthodox camp over who can be the most extreme. Netanyahu may decide that his government is crumbling anyway, so better to bring it down on a deal that is popular with the non-Ben-Gvir-ist public than on the whims of the Rebbe of Gur.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:13 am

    lol

    doslovce je ubijao palestince i cekao trampa. mislim ko je kriv genocidasu sto ga nije oterao u jerihon da duva truba.


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    Post by arsonist Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:59 am

    Da, sad je lol a do pre prekjuce je globalna lib. inteligencija (ukljucujuci i forum) relativizovala dzoov genocid fearmongerovanjem o trampu koji ce kao odresiti ruke "bibiju" (jer bile su svezane inace). Blam.

    I jos nesto: tvrdim da do klanice u Ukrajini ne bi doslo da na vlasti tokom pregovora 2021. nisu bile psihopate iz Dempartije.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:05 am

    To je već moguće. Od Demsa nema gorih kad treba uspostaviti odvraćanje.
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    Post by Old Dry Keith Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:07 am

    Volim ove prodore jedanaestogodišnjaštva u onlajn diskurs. "Blam" jbt. Možda razumeš da je u nekim stvarima dobro pogrešiti? Ako nova administracija zaustavi rat - fenomenalno, dajte Nobela narandžastom (pišem ovo bez ikakve ironije).


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    Post by arsonist Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:50 am

    Blam jeste prikladan termin posto godinama pratim kako se diskurs sa kritickih, levih pozicija pretvara u 1/1 prezvakavanje americkog demlib krugodrka. A nije uvek bilo tako. Kasni Obama je trpan govnima za mnogo manje prestupe od ovog ludila u priredbi sumanutog Dzoa.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:57 am

    arsonist wrote:Da, sad je lol a do pre prekjuce je globalna lib. inteligencija (ukljucujuci i forum) relativizovala dzoov genocid fearmongerovanjem o trampu koji ce kao odresiti ruke "bibiju" (jer bile su svezane inace). Blam.


    More like, globalna lib. NEinteligencija!
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:18 pm

    budalastina. tacno je prestao kada je njegov kandidat dobio izbore. kao sto CDU hoce da ucini neke stvari koje nije hteo da ucini sirizi.

    mislim, bibi je deo GoP doslovce. danas znamo da su mule i regan delovali u syncu oko talacke krize. zasto je nezamislivo da je bibi jednostavno cekao da u WH dodje njegov kandidat?


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:26 pm

    mislim meni je jednostavno nezmislivo koliko covek treba da bude glup da poveruje da ce GOP zakonodavci da odusevljeno uvedu sankcije izraelu pa sada trampara moze da kao bije bibija. jednostavno je bibilence zavrsio posao i sada ce da napravi bantustan.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:34 pm

    mislim gde je sada taj izraelski lobi? ispario?


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:45 pm

    hajde jedan misaoni eksperiment: bibi odbije plan? sta se desava? sta njemu trampara tacno radi? prekida vojnu pomoc? kako?

    ovo je situacija da bibi bude i zver raban i segsi fejad rauta. tako da arsonist bolje da se spremi za jos godina bibija na vlasti. ono sto je lekcija svima nama s raznim vucicima, bibijima i putinima jeste: moze mir ako je mir siledzija i gospodara.


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    Post by Sox Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:28 pm

    Netanjahu je odigrao veliku ulogu u rusenju momentuma Kamale Haris sto je dovelo do pobede Trampa. Kada je DP zamenila kandidate, Haris je imala rast podrske sve do sredine septembra kada je Izrael poceo sa svojim akcijama po Libanu, ceo narativ se pomerio sa Haris na te dogadjaje i nesposobnost Bajden-Haris da nesto urade po tom pitanju. To je sve trajalo nekih mesec dana kada se uslo u sam kraj predsednicke kampanje gde je Haris potpuno izgubila momentum.

    Pri cemu je Bajden sabotirao Haris.

    Ovaj sporazum je Netanjahu mogao prihvatiti pre 6 meseci, mozda ranije, ali nije hteo plus je imao mig ode desnog sprektra iz Amerike da gura dalje.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:53 pm

    Here is the draft ceasefire agreement in Gaza, according to the Hebrew Broadcasting Authority:


    The first stage (42 days):
    1- A temporary suspension of military operations, and an Israeli withdrawal from all populated areas.
    2- A temporary suspension of air activity for ten hours a day.
    3- The return of the displaced to their areas of residence.


    A- On the seventh day, Israel withdraws from Rashid Street to Salah al-Din Street, dismantles Israeli installations, and the return of the displaced


    B- On the 28th day, Israel withdraws from the central Gaza Strip, and allows residents to move freely.
    C- Bringing in aid, fuel, and rubble removal equipment, and restarting hospitals and bakeries in Arza as a whole.


     4- Hostage exchange:


    A- First stage: Hamas releases 33 hostages, for each hostage Israel releases 30 Palestinian children and women according to seniority.


    After that, Hamas releases all living female Israeli soldiers in exchange for each one of them 50 Palestinian prisoners.


    5- Prisoner exchange schedule:
    1- First day: Hamas releases 3 civilian hostages.
    2- Seventh day: Hamas releases 4 civilian hostages. After that, Hamas releases 3 Israelis every week.
    3- Sixth week: Hamas releases all Israeli prisoners included in this stage, in exchange for a number of Palestinian prisoners based on a list prepared by the movement.
     3- The sixth week: Israel releases 47 prisoners who were arrested after the Shalit deal, and Israel releases civilians under the age of 19 who were arrested after October 7.


    - The release of Palestinian prisoners without conditions and no future re-arrest.


    6- The exchange of hostages in the first phase has no relation to the second phase.


    7- The negotiations for the second phase begin on the 16th at the latest.


    8- The United Nations continues to provide assistance.


    9- Rehabilitation of the infrastructure.


    10- Bringing in no less than 60,000 housing units and 200,000 tents for those who lost their homes.


    11- Increasing the number of wounded who will be transferred for treatment through the Rafah crossing and allowing the movement of trade.


    12- Beginning the implementation of reconstruction and compensating civilians under the supervision of organizations and countries, including Egypt and Qatar.
     13- At this stage, the withdrawal procedures and cessation of military operations continue, and the negotiations of the second stage continue.


    14- Announcing a permanent ceasefire, and Israel's complete withdrawal from Gaza 


    The third stage (42 days):
    15- Exchanging bodies after determining the identities of the dead.
    16- Reconstructing Gaza (3-5 years) under international and UN supervision such as Qatar and Egypt.
    17- Opening the crossings for people and goods.
    The guarantors of the agreement are Qatar, Egypt and America.


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    Post by Daï Djakman Faré Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:33 pm

    Del Cap wrote:The aides politely explained that was in the middle of the Sabbath but that the prime minister would gladly meet him Saturday night.

    Witkoff's blunt reaction took them by surprise. He explained to them in salty English that Shabbat was of no interest to him. His message was loud and clear.



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    i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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    Post by beatakeshi Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:39 pm

    Ima tu još da se igra, Tramp je u predizbornoj kampanji izraelskom lobiju obećao Zapadnu obalu. Bruno videli. Debela žena tek treba da počne da peva.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:07 pm

    ma ja mislim da je to to. tramp tower na zapadnoj obali, kushner u gazi. bibi se oslobadja gvira i zacin moze da tece.


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    Post by Thomas Sankara Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:09 pm

    boomer crook wrote:budalastina. tacno je prestao kada je njegov kandidat dobio izbore. kao sto CDU hoce da ucini neke stvari koje nije hteo da ucini sirizi.

    mislim, bibi je deo GoP doslovce. danas znamo da su mule i regan delovali u syncu oko talacke krize. zasto je nezamislivo da je bibi jednostavno cekao da u WH dodje njegov kandidat?

    Pa da. Iz istog razloga Putin ne bi napao Ukrajinu da je republikanac predsednik. Sigurno ne zato sto su republikanci humanitarci  Блиски исток - Page 17 3274312807
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    Post by паће Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:44 pm

    Thomas Sankara wrote:
    boomer crook wrote:budalastina. tacno je prestao kada je njegov kandidat dobio izbore. kao sto CDU hoce da ucini neke stvari koje nije hteo da ucini sirizi.

    mislim, bibi je deo GoP doslovce. danas znamo da su mule i regan delovali u syncu oko talacke krize. zasto je nezamislivo da je bibi jednostavno cekao da u WH dodje njegov kandidat?

    Pa da. Iz istog razloga Putin ne bi napao Ukrajinu da je republikanac predsednik. Sigurno ne zato sto su republikanci humanitarci  Блиски исток - Page 17 3274312807

    Демсови увек имају гопнаре за вратом, који их вечито товаре како нису довољно оштри по овом или оном питању у спољној политици, па се труде да буду већи католици од папе или тако нешто. Гопнари, кад су на власти, немају тај проблем.


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    Post by Del Cap Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:26 pm

    Sva ta ideološka nakačenost Bibija na GOP, da ne kažem taj neki* judeo-hrišćanski ekstremistički kompleks, je istina, no, ostaje fakat da je genocid (da tako kažem) sprovedem pod nadzorom, uz vojnu pomoć i politički kišobran demokratske administracije i demokratskog predsednika. Oni su odgovorni, i zbog njihovog delovanja bi Amerika sutra mogla pred MSP u Hagu komotno dobiti osuđujuću presudu zbog kršenja konvemcije o genocidu. Kriv je Bajden, ostalo je retorika (dokle.god Tramp ne napravi ili pokrije neko drugo sranje tog tipa).
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:38 pm

    Del Cap wrote:Sva ta ideološka nakačenost Bibija na GOP, da ne kažem taj neki* judeo-hrišćanski ekstremistički kompleks, je istina, no, ostaje fakat da je genocid (da tako kažem) sprovedem pod nadzorom, uz vojnu pomoć i politički kišobran demokratske administracije i demokratskog predsednika. Oni su odgovorni, i zbog njihovog delovanja bi Amerika sutra mogla pred MSP u Hagu komotno dobiti osuđujuću presudu zbog kršenja konvemcije o genocidu. Kriv je Bajden, ostalo je retorika (dokle.god Tramp ne napravi ili pokrije neko drugo sranje tog tipa).

    cekaj ajde da ne pomeramo stative. naravno da je bajden kriv. na kraju krajeva i onako je izgubio izbore pa je makar mogao da ode with a bang.

    ovde pricamo o bibiju koji se fol uplasio trampa pa ce sada orange man da zaustavi geoncid. jasno je sta se desilo. niti je bibi uplasen niti mu tramp moze ista. oni su posao zavrsili.


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