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    Post by rumbeando Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:19 pm

    Izrael u Bejrutu ubio jednog od najvažnijih lidera Hamasa, neki izvori kažu 3. u hijerarhiji, Saleha al Alrurija. Bio je na američkoj poternici, nuđeno do 5 miliona $.

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/hamas--saleh-al-arouri-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-lebanon
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/lebanon-car-explosion-south-beirut-kills-hamas-leader
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_al-Arouri
    https://rewardsforjustice.net/rewards/salih-al-aruri/
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    Post by Del Cap Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:41 pm

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    Post by rumbeando Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:32 pm

    Stavovi američkih Jevreja o antisemitizmu iz jedne ankete iz 2021.

    67% misli da je iskaz "Izrael nema pravo da postoji" antisemitski, 31% misli da je iskaz "Izrael čini genocid prema Palestincima" antisemitski, 28% misli da je iskaz "Izrael je država aparthejda" antisemitski i 20% misli da je iskaz "izraelsko postupanje prema Palestincima je slično rasizmu u SAD" antisemitski.

    25% anketiranih se slaže sa tvrdnjom o aparthejdu, a 34% sa tvrdnjom o rasističkom ponašanju.

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    U istoj anketi 61% se založilo za rešenje izraelsko-palestinskih odnosa uspostavljanjem dveju država, a po dvadesetak posto jednom državom ravnopravnih građana, odnosno pripajanjem palestinskih teritorija jevrejskoj državi Izrael.

    https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/JEI-Survey-Analysis-071321.pdf
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    Post by Guest Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:04 pm

    Шта би тек добио да америчке Србе питаш да ли нпр. треба све Албанце протерати са Косова и сл.
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    Post by disident Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:19 am

    Nema zezanja sa cionistima
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/02/us/claudine-gay-harvard


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:09 am

    Bilo i ranije slično, samo drugim povodom

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna19940243

    Three faculty committees had accused Churchill of plagiarism, falsification and other misconduct. The research allegations stem from some of Churchill's other writings, although the investigation began after the controversy over his Sept. 11 essay.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by plachkica Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:36 am

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    Post by disident Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:44 pm

    Citavi departmani propagande sa neograničenim budzetima

    🇵🇸🇮🇱 Somebody made a cartoon called "Commander Kitty"

    🐱🔻 pic.twitter.com/otFH3QG4Mi

    — Censored Men (@CensoredMen) December 30, 2023


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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:50 pm

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    Post by rumbeando Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:21 pm

    Ovi se neće smiriti dok na kraju ne popiju atomku.

    In other news, nakon što je Stejt department reagovao na Smotričeve i Ben Gvirove pozive na "dobrovoljno" raseljavanje Palestinaca, oni nastavljaju.

    The US State Department on Tuesday called out far-right Israeli ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir for advocating the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza.

    “This rhetoric is inflammatory and irresponsible,” State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said in a relatively rare, unprompted statement calling out a pair of Israeli ministers by name.
    (...)
    As for the US position on Israeli settlements in Gaza, Miller reiterated, “We have been clear, consistent and unequivocal that Gaza is Palestinian land and will remain Palestinian land, with Hamas no longer in control of its future and with no terror groups able to threaten Israel.”

    That stance appeared to put the US at odds with mainstream Israeli leaders such as Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and war cabinet minister Benny Gantz, who have called for the IDF to establish a security buffer zone in Gaza after the war.

    “That is the future we seek in the interests of Israelis and Palestinians, the surrounding region and the world,” Miller added.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-slams-irresponsible-calls-by-smotrich-and-ben-gvir-for-emigration-of-gazans/

    Rejecting the US State Department’s condemnation of calls for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Wednesday reiterated his support for encouraging “voluntary emigration” of the Strip’s population to other countries as part of his postwar vision.

    The leader of the far-right Religious Zionism party claimed in a statement that “more than 70 percent of the Israeli public today supports” encouraging emigration as “a humanitarian solution,” but did not provide a source for this statistic.

    A resettlement policy is necessary, he said, because “a small country like ours cannot afford a reality where four minutes away from our communities there is a hotbed of hatred and terrorism, where two million people wake up every morning with aspiration for the destruction of the State of Israel and with a desire to slaughter and rape and murder Jews wherever they are.”

    National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, another senior far-right coalition partner of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, hit back at Washington shortly after it aired its criticism Tuesday.

    “The United States is our best friend, but first of all we will do what is best for the State of Israel: the migration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza will allow the residents of the [Gaza] envelope to return home and live in security and will protect the IDF soldiers,” Ben Gvir posted on X. “I really admire the United States of America but with all due respect, we are not another star in the American flag.”
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-doubles-down-on-resettlement-of-gazans-rejecting-us-criticism/


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    Post by plachkica Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:28 pm

    od koga da je popiju?
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:41 pm

    Irana ili nekog drugog kome se zamere u budućnosti, svakako će se broj nuklearnih sila i nadalje povećavati.

    Ovim nezadrživim trendom ekstremizacije društva i ubeđenošću u sopstvenu bezgrešnost oni će se jednom gadno preračunati.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:19 pm

    Не би било Ирана након тога. Beware what you wish for.
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:55 pm

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    Ko želi?

    Samo konstatujem da mi se ništa ne sviđa u kom smeru sve to ide.
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    Post by MNE Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:13 pm

    teško, nisu mule blesave

    možda fasuju neku prljavu bombu ako je hamasovci prošvercuju, ali to je sada već mnogo teže nego ranije
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:21 am

    Nakon što se Bajdenu pokenjaju po faci, on će nastaviti da im šalje lovu i bombe.

    Berni pozvao kongres da ne šalje dalje pomoć Izraelu (da neko tamo pokaže zrnce kičme i morala)

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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:39 am

    Hladnoća providne laži ko kod Konašenkova

    Zapravo
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    Post by rumbeando Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:15 pm

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    Detaljnije:

    Gallant’s post-war Gaza plan: Palestinians to run civil affairs with global task force
    Defense minister’s 4-part proposal calls for ongoing Israeli military control; no Jewish settlement; US, Egypt, moderate Arab countries to lead rehabilitation; Smotrich slams it

    Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on Thursday presented a four-pronged plan for how to handle the Gaza Strip after the ongoing war with the Hamas terror group ends, with the IDF retaining full military control but no civilian presence, and local Palestinian authorities playing a central role in civil affairs.

    The plan, which was set to be presented in discussions on Thursday evening in both the limited war cabinet and the broader security cabinet, does not include a role for the Palestinian Authority, and it does not provide for resettling Gaza.

    The plan marks the first time a senior Israeli official has laid out a detailed blueprint for the Strip after the war, but it does not yet represent official policy, as there are stark differences over it within the coalition.

    Gallant told journalists before the meeting that his framework is based on the assumption that Hamas is no longer in control of Gaza and does not pose a security threat to Israel. It focuses on the civil governance of the strip, with Israel retaining military control on the borders, and the right to take any military and security action necessary inside Gaza.

    “Gaza residents are Palestinian, therefore Palestinian bodies will be in charge, with the condition that there will be no hostile actions or threats against the State of Israel,” Gallant said.

    While Gallant’s insistence on full Israeli security control and freedom of action is shared by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the Gallant plan’s emphasis on Palestinian civilian control over Gaza, with no Israeli civilian presence there, has angered hardline coalition partners. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, whose desire for renewed Jewish settlement in Gaza is ruled out in Gallant’s plan, said Thursday that he firmly opposed it.

    “Gallant’s ‘day after’ plan is a re-run of the ‘day before’ October 7,” Smotrich said. “The solution for Gaza requires out-of-the-box thinking and a changed conception.” Smotrich repeated his contention that a solution for Gaza involves “encouraging voluntary emigration [of Gazans] and full [Israeli] security control including renewed settlement.”

    War has raged in the coastal enclave since Hamas’s brutal October 7 massacres, which saw some 3,000 terrorists burst across the border into Israel from Gaza by land, air and sea, killing some 1,200 people and seizing over 240 hostages — mostly civilians — under the cover of a deluge of thousands of rockets fired at Israeli towns and cities.

    In response, Israel vowed to eliminate the terror group, and launched a wide-scale military campaign in Gaza aimed at destroying Hamas’s military and governance capacities and securing the release of the hostages.

    The defense minister’s plan, which has already been presented to the US administration and discussed with other allies, has four “pillars” for civil rule in post-war Gaza.

    First, Israel will coordinate and plan an oversight role in civil governance, and be responsible for inspecting incoming goods.

    Second, a multinational task force, led by the US in partnership with European and moderate Arab nations, will take responsibility for running civil affairs and the economic rehabilitation of the Strip.

    Third, Egypt, which is noted as a “major actor” in the plan, will take responsibility for the main civilian border crossing into the Gaza Strip, in coordination with Israel.

    Fourth, existing Palestinian administrative mechanisms will be maintained, provided that the relevant officials are not affiliated with Hamas. Local authorities that currently deal with sewage, electricity, water and humanitarian aid distribution will continue to operate, in collaboration with the multinational task force.

    It is understood that Gallant envisages the transfer of relief and welfare responsibilities away from UNRWA, which Israel regards as “hostile,” but that this would take time.

    The plan does not provide for a body to oversee law and order in the Strip, with that issue yet to be resolved.

    Top security officials told The Times of Israel that the transition of responsibilities to the hands of a local administration under the plan would need to be carried out gradually, and not all at once, given the existing infrastructure.

    The officials also said that clans, local bureaucrats, government officials and even academics living in Gaza’s cities and refugee camps would have civil governance roles in designated areas of the Strip.

    In the press briefing, Gallant said that the question of possible Palestinian Authority involvement in post-war Gaza was not relevant at this stage, as it has not gone through necessary reforms.

    Netanyahu has been insistent that the PA, in its current form under the leadership of President Mahmud Abbas, cannot be tasked with taking over Gaza after the war.

    However, the allies tapped for the multinational task force have repeatedly made clear that their support for the reconstruction of Gaza is conditioned on the PA being the governing body that reunites the Strip with the West Bank and that the process be part of a broader initiative aimed at an eventual two-state solution.

    US and Israeli officials have told The Times of Israel that Netanyahu’s aides have privately expressed their support for an “RPA” or “reformed PA,” eventually governing Gaza, while the premier himself has not spoken publicly about this idea amid fears of alienating far-right ministers Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir.

    Even more unpopular in the coalition than talk of a PA-controlled Gaza Strip, however, would be an Israeli commitment to move toward a two-state solution, and Gallant did not specify how Israel plans to recruit allies abroad to help it rebuild the Strip without taking steps toward Palestinian statehood.

    Gallant’s plan states that residents of northern Gaza will not be permitted to return to their homes until all hostages held by terrorists in Gaza are returned, and notes that there are no plans for a reoccupation or resettlement of Gaza after the goals of the war have been achieved.

    His comments come after recent calls by Smotrich and Ben Gvir to resettle Gazans abroad and reestablish settlements in Gaza caused widespread international condemnation, including from the US.

    It is believed that 132 hostages abducted by Hamas on October 7 remain in Gaza — not all of them alive — after 105 civilians were released from Hamas captivity during a weeklong truce in late November. Four hostages were released prior to that, and one was rescued by troops. The bodies of eight hostages have also been recovered and three hostages were mistakenly killed by the military. The Israel Defense Forces has confirmed the deaths of 25 of those still held by Hamas, citing new intelligence and findings obtained by troops operating in Gaza.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/gallants-post-war-gaza-plan-palestinians-to-run-civil-affairs-with-global-task-force/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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    Post by rumbeando Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:40 pm

    Francuska ministarka spoljnih poslova Katerin Kolona rekla da "nije na Izraelu da određuje budućnost Gaze, koja je palestinska zemlja" i odbacila teze izraelskih ministara da je moguće preseljenje Palestinaca van Gaze kao neodgovorne pozive koje nas odvlače od rešenja problema i protiv su dugoročnih interesa Izraela.

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/it-s-not-up-to-israel-to-determine-the-future-of-gaza-french-foreign-minister/3101634
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    Post by MNE Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:57 pm

    "odbacila teze izraelskih ministara da je moguće preseljenje Palestinaca van Gaze kao neodgovorne pozive"


    genocid = neodgovoran poziv
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:23 am

    Još jedan izraelski ministar pozvao na podsticanje iseljavanja Palestinaca iz Gaze. Ministar nasleđa Amičaj Elijahu pozvao je rekao je da Izrael po svaku cenu mora da razbije „nacionalni san“ Palestinaca.

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/another-israeli-minister-calls-for-encouraging-palestinians-to-leave-gaza/3101423

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    Post by Guest Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:17 am

    MNE wrote:"odbacila teze izraelskih ministara da je moguće preseljenje Palestinaca van Gaze kao neodgovorne pozive"


    genocid = neodgovoran poziv
    Расељавање није геноцид. Пре ће бити етничко чишћење.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:48 am

    A etnicko ciscenje nije pravni termin i eto, divota

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