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by Guest Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:14 pmЗбиља би било лепо да помало елаборираш ово. Шта је овде релативизација, а поготово са дна каце?Erős Pista wrote:NC, ovo sto pises je bas onako dno relativizacija.
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Filipenko wrote:Rusija nije aparthejd. Juzna Afrika je osetljiva na to i ima puno pravo da se druzi s kim hoce, umesto da ugadja tudjim osecanjima.
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Netanjahu sazvao 80-ak ambasadora da im kaže da je Evropa sledeća ako Izrael ne uspe da pobedi iransku osovinu zla.
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/government-israel/netanyahu-to-foreign-ambassadors-this-battle-is-your-battle/2023/11/06/
Netanjahu sazvao 80-ak ambasadora da im kaže da je Evropa sledeća ako Izrael ne uspe da pobedi iransku osovinu zla.
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Netanyahu to Foreign Ambassadors: ‘This Battle is Your Battle’
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned some 80 foreign ambassadors on Monday that the battle being waged by Israel against the barbaric Hamas terrorists in Gaza is one that could threaten Europe next.
The ambassadors had expressed support for Israel and pledged to work — each one in their own country — to ensure that what occurred on October 7 will not be forgotten.
“What we see is a broader battle between civilization and barbarism,” he said.
“The barbarism is led by an axis of terror. The axis of terror is led by Iran. It includes Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis and their other minions.
“They seek to bring the Middle East and the world back to a dark age. They seek to torpedo, to derail any progress towards peace and the progress and the promise that we had in our budding peace treaties with our Arab neighbors.
“If they go strong, if they’re not defeated, they will derail this process, they will imperil the entire Middle East. If the Middle East falls to the axis of terror, Europe will be next and no one will be safe.
“This is not a local battle,” he emphasized. This is a global battle. The paramount need is to defeat this axis.
“That battle is now being waged by us against Hamas in Gaza. There is no substitute for victory. We will defeat Hamas. We will dismantle Hamas. We will offer the people of Gaza and the entire peoples of the Middle East a real future, a future of promise and hope. But this requires victory. We have the will and we have the power to do so. We will win. And we believe that all civilized powers should back us in this effort because this battle is your battle and our victory is your victory.”
In response to a question on how it is possible to assist Israel, the Prime Minister said, “First, to stand with Israel. I think that all civilized countries should stand with Israel because this is our common fight. And as I said, our battle is your battle and our victory is your victory.
“I also spoke yesterday to the president of the Red Cross and I asked her to personally be involved in an effort that we’ve been talking to the Red Cross from day one of the war, that is to demand an immediate and unconditional release of the hostages and access to the hostages and information about the hostages. Something that is required by humanitarian international law and Hamas violates as well.
I think you should back that call. You should be part of that call every day.
“We want the release, the unconditional release of our hostages immediately. We want that information. We want that access to the Red Cross.”
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/government-israel/netanyahu-to-foreign-ambassadors-this-battle-is-your-battle/2023/11/06/
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rumbeando wrote:
Netanjahu sazvao 80-ak ambasadora da im kaže da je Evropa sledeća ako Izrael ne uspe da pobedi iransku osovinu zla.
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Međuopštinski pustolov.
Zli stolar.
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Harec tvrdi da je palestinski predsednik Mahmud Abas rekao Blinkenu da su palestinske vlasti (Fatahove) spremne da preuzmu punu odgovornost za Pojas Gaze i Istočni Jerusalim kao deo sveobuhvatnog diplomatskog rešenja posle rata.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-05/ty-article-live/u-s-efforts-for-a-ceasefire-increase-as-israeli-forces-make-their-way-deeper-into-gaza/0000018b-9d1a-d27d-a9fb-dfbbfcc60000Following his fourth visit to Israel since October 7, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken made an unannounced visit to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Abbas stressed the need for an immediate ceasefire and said that the Palestinian Authority is ready to accept full responsibility for the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem as part of a comprehensive post-war diplomatic solution. Blinken said the U.S. was committed to getting aid into Gaza and restoring essential services there.
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Teško će to ići. Čini mi se da Abasu kredibilitet kod Palestinaca pada kako broj žrtava u Gazi i Zapadnoj obali raste.
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I ja smatram da je ono prvo što treba da vidimo na delu baš veći napor Palestinaca da se bolje integrišu u postojeći izraelski poredak, da pokažu da mogu sa "drugima" da žive, da su dovoljno tolerantni prema različitostima.
Eto tako.
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I ja smatram da je ono prvo što treba da vidimo na delu baš veći napor Palestinaca da se bolje integrišu u postojeći izraelski poredak, da pokažu da mogu sa "drugima" da žive, da su dovoljno tolerantni prema različitostima.
Eto tako.
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О чему ли ти причаш!? Па ваљда ти је јасно да им не пада ни на крај памети, нити им Израелци нуде богзна шта. Онај део Палестинаца који је хтео да се интегрише се одавно интегрисао, онолико колико је то било могуће. Боље би свакако било и да је Израел грађанска држава, али ни то не спада у домен могућег.
Имаш огромну, гајену, многодеценијску мржњу и дехуманизацију са обе стране, и апсолутно одсуство толеранције и жеље за саживотом. И то јесте сличност са Косовом, мада је све још једно 100 пута амплификовано.
Имаш огромну, гајену, многодеценијску мржњу и дехуманизацију са обе стране, и апсолутно одсуство толеранције и жеље за саживотом. И то јесте сличност са Косовом, мада је све још једно 100 пута амплификовано.
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rumbeando wrote:
Netanjahu sazvao 80-ak ambasadora da im kaže da je Evropa sledeća ako Izrael ne uspe da pobedi iransku osovinu zla.
To je danas (ponovo) rekao i D. Kuleba (ukrajinski ministar sp.p), valjda je takva strateška komunikacija, moja borba je tvoja borba + teorija domina.
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On Israeli efforts to minimize civilian casualties, NSC's John Kirby says: "We have seen some indications that there are there are efforts being applied in certain scenarios to try to minimize, but I don't want to overstate that."
— Alex Marquardt (@MarquardtA) November 6, 2023
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takođe Rusija za godinu i po dana nije pogodila toliko civilnih objekata koliko Izrael za 1 dan, uz to i jedan dio ukrajinskih paravojnih formacija sa nacističkim obilježjima je godinama maltretirao Ruse po istoku Ukrajine, zamišljam kakva bi bila reakcija međunarodne zajednice da su Palestinci tako maltretirali JevrejeFilipenko wrote:Rusija nije aparthejd. Juzna Afrika je osetljiva na to i ima puno pravo da se druzi s kim hoce, umesto da ugadja tudjim osecanjima.
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Mislis, kakva bi reakcija medjunarodne zajednica bila kada bi se Palestincima dalo oruzje i kada bi ih tako naoruzane pustili medj' jevrejsku zivalj i nejac?
Gde si bio i sta si radio 7. oktobra ove godine?
Gde si bio i sta si radio 7. oktobra ove godine?
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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e ta reakcija je bila sasvim opravdana ali takva je trebala da bude i u prvom slučaju pa do ruske invazije možda ne bi ni došlo, međutim interesi i tako te stvari
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MNE wrote:takođe Rusija za godinu i po dana nije pogodila toliko civilnih objekata koliko Izrael za 1 dan, uz to i jedan dio ukrajinskih paravojnih formacija sa nacističkim obilježjima je godinama maltretirao Ruse po istoku Ukrajine, zamišljam kakva bi bila reakcija međunarodne zajednice da su Palestinci tako maltretirali JevrejeFilipenko wrote:Rusija nije aparthejd. Juzna Afrika je osetljiva na to i ima puno pravo da se druzi s kim hoce, umesto da ugadja tudjim osecanjima.
pa dobro, ok, 7. oktobra fakat nisu nosili nacistička obeležja.
Nema tu nikakve principijelnosti, kao ni na Zapadu. Ne bi 2m ljudi u Indoneziji izaslo na proteste sve i da su Rusi bacili jaku na Kijev, niti bi zbog toga SAR ili neko slican prekinuo diplomatske odnose sa Rusijom.
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— United Nations Geneva (@UNGeneva) November 6, 2023
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Heads of 18 UN agencies & NGOs issue a joint statement on #Gaza. pic.twitter.com/10JmEW62Ce
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Guardian
Biden and Netanyahu discuss possible 'tactical pauses' for Gaza
Joe Biden and Benjamin Netanyahu discussed “the possibility of tactical pauses” in Israel’s military operations in Gaza to facilitate humanitarian aid, according to a readout of a call between the leaders earlier today.
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Jordan:
AMMAN, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Jordan said on Monday it was leaving "all options" open in its response to what it called Israel's failure to discriminate between military and civilian targets in its intensifying bombardment and invasion of the Gaza Strip.
Prime Minister Bisher al Khasawneh did not elaborate on what steps Jordan would take, days after it recalled its ambassador from Israel in protest at Israel's offensive in Gaza after a cross-border Oct. 7 attack by Hamas.
Jordan also announced last week that Israel's ambassador, who left Amman shortly after Hamas' attack, would not be allowed to come back, effectively declaring him persona non grata.
"All options are on the table for Jordan in our dealing with the Israeli aggression on Gaza and its repercussions," Khasawneh, whose country signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994, told state media.
Khasawneh said Israel's siege of the densely populated Gaza was not self-defence as it maintains. "The brutal Israeli attack does not discriminate between civilian and military targets and is extending to safe areas and ambulances," he said.
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Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi said any move to drive Palestinians across to Jordan, which shares a border with the West Bank, was a "red line" amounting to a declaration of war.
"Any attempt to expel Palestinians in an attempt by Israel to change geography and demography we will confront," Safadi said last week.
AMMAN, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Jordan said on Monday it was leaving "all options" open in its response to what it called Israel's failure to discriminate between military and civilian targets in its intensifying bombardment and invasion of the Gaza Strip.
Prime Minister Bisher al Khasawneh did not elaborate on what steps Jordan would take, days after it recalled its ambassador from Israel in protest at Israel's offensive in Gaza after a cross-border Oct. 7 attack by Hamas.
Jordan also announced last week that Israel's ambassador, who left Amman shortly after Hamas' attack, would not be allowed to come back, effectively declaring him persona non grata.
"All options are on the table for Jordan in our dealing with the Israeli aggression on Gaza and its repercussions," Khasawneh, whose country signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994, told state media.
Khasawneh said Israel's siege of the densely populated Gaza was not self-defence as it maintains. "The brutal Israeli attack does not discriminate between civilian and military targets and is extending to safe areas and ambulances," he said.
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Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi said any move to drive Palestinians across to Jordan, which shares a border with the West Bank, was a "red line" amounting to a declaration of war.
"Any attempt to expel Palestinians in an attempt by Israel to change geography and demography we will confront," Safadi said last week.
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Nektivni Ugnelj wrote:Guardian
Biden and Netanyahu discuss possible 'tactical pauses' for Gaza
Joe Biden and Benjamin Netanyahu discussed “the possibility of tactical pauses” in Israel’s military operations in Gaza to facilitate humanitarian aid, according to a readout of a call between the leaders earlier today.
JUST IN: Next package of
US military aid to the 
IDF will be composed of $320 million worth of precision bombs
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US officials "say Israel’s counterattack against Hamas has been too severe, too costly in civilian casualties & lacking a coherent endgame, but they are unable to exert significant influence on" Israel. That is, they are unwilling to increase the pressure. https://t.co/VVytkuxSjk
— Kenneth Roth (@KenRoth) November 6, 2023
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Netanjahu sazvao 80-ak ambasadora da im kaže da je Evropa sledeća ako Izrael ne uspe da pobedi iransku osovinu zla.
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Ne znam da li je Evropa sledeća, uostalom i da jeste wgaf, ali je u pravu da je ovo sukob civilizacija, i da ko se stavlja na stranu anticivilizacije ili glumi "neutralnog" sto u praksi znaci da simpatise stranu anticivilizacije, ko ga be.
Ako je to uzivo, samo se razotkriva kao nepogodan za druzenje zato sto je neprijatelj civilizacije. Po forumima neka laprda koliko hoce jer se ne zna ko je ko, ama uzivo, jedan ispad, i dovoljno je da bude ostrakovan zauvek. Dosta je bilo 35 godina tih srnja i vecitih srbendskih "pitanja", a kako ovo, a kako ono, a zasto ovo, a zasto ono. Zato.
Ko nije na strani civilizacije sto su "atlantisti", uglavnom samo oni (jer je Evropa kilava i prodala bi dupe odavno da moze) i druge anglosaksonske zemlje, Japan i mozda jos neki iz jugoistocne Azije i Izrael, taj je neprijatelj civilizacije te ga kao takvog treba i tretirati, i to je to.
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Ne znam da li je Evropa sledeća, uostalom i da jeste wgaf, ali je u pravu da je ovo sukob civilizacija, i da ko se stavlja na stranu anticivilizacije ili glumi "neutralnog" sto u praksi znaci da simpatise stranu anticivilizacije, ko ga be.
Ako je to uzivo, samo se razotkriva kao nepogodan za druzenje zato sto je neprijatelj civilizacije. Po forumima neka laprda koliko hoce jer se ne zna ko je ko, ama uzivo, jedan ispad, i dovoljno je da bude ostrakovan zauvek. Dosta je bilo 35 godina tih srnja i vecitih srbendskih "pitanja", a kako ovo, a kako ono, a zasto ovo, a zasto ono. Zato.
Ko nije na strani civilizacije sto su "atlantisti", uglavnom samo oni (jer je Evropa kilava i prodala bi dupe odavno da moze) i druge anglosaksonske zemlje, Japan i mozda jos neki iz jugoistocne Azije i Izrael, taj je neprijatelj civilizacije te ga kao takvog treba i tretirati, i to je to.
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Ako padnu Ukrajina i Izrael, mi smo sledeci.
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Netanjahu najavio okupaciju Pojasa Gaze na neodređeno vreme.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/netanyahu-abcs-muir-cease-fire-release-hostages/story?id=104661239I think Israel will, for an indefinite period will have the overall security responsibility [in Gaza Strip] because we've seen what happens when we don't have it.
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Okupatori toliko najavljuju, ali za sada sasvim fino dobijaju po labrnji od strane pokreta otpora. Covek bi pomislio da su za 30 dana u stanju da prevale tih par kilometara, kad ono medjutim ispala tiktok armija. Jedino sto se, kao i svaka druga organizovana zlocinacka formacija u istoriji (nacisticka Nemacka, Dzingiskanova horda, britanski crveni mundiri) izivljavaju nad nemocnima.
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oni apsolutno ne znaju šta rade, a Zapadna obala se aktivira.
pri tome Ehud Barak tvrdi da Izrael ima svega 2-3 nedelje američke političke podrške za intenzivne kopnene operacije. deluje mi kao da ih ti rokovi uopšte ne zanimaju.
pri tome Ehud Barak tvrdi da Izrael ima svega 2-3 nedelje američke političke podrške za intenzivne kopnene operacije. deluje mi kao da ih ti rokovi uopšte ne zanimaju.
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Gdje punac drži pive?
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E to je ono sro su dovukli flotu u East Med, sad ownuju situaciju. Ako se povuku, em ce ispasti da su podvili rep ako onda Iran (ili bilo ko drugi) nesto vece uradi protiv Izraela, em ce ih satrti republikanci u kongresu (izrael nije ukrajina)
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